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HomeMy WebLinkAboutOCTOBER 28, 2003 AGENDACITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
"COMMiJNITY FOR A LIFETIME"
CITY COUNCIL
MAYOR MEYERA E OBERNDORF At -Large
VICE MAYOR LOUIS R JONES Bayside - District 4
HARRYE DIEZ,EL Kempsville -District 2
MARGARET L EURE Centerville -District I
REBA S McCLANAN, Rose Hall - District 3
RICHARD A MADDOX, Beach - District 6
JIM REEVE, Princess Anne - District 7
PETER W SCHMIDT At -Large
RON A VILLANUEVA, At -Large
ROSEMARY WILSON At -Large
JAMES L WOOD, Lynnhaven -District 5
JAMES K SPORE. City Manager
LESLIE L L11-LEY City Attorney
RUTH HODGES SMITH. MMC, City Clerk
CITY COUNCIL AGENDA
October 28, 2003
CITY HALL BUILDING 1
2401 COURTHOUSE DRIVE
VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA 23456-8005
PHONE (757) 427-4303
FAX (757) 426-5669
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I. CITY MANAGER'S BRIEFINGS -Conference Room- 2:00 PM
A. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM (CIP) PROCESS and FINANCING REVIEW
Catheryn Whitesell, Director, Department of Management Services
B. TAX REFORM
Robert Matthias, Assistant to the City Manager
C. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROPOSAL re ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
Leslie Lilley, City Attorney
Karen Lasley, Zoning Administrator
II. REVIEW OF AGENDA ITEMS
M. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS
IV. INFORMAL SESSION -Conference Room- 4:30 PM
A. CALL TO ORDER — Mayor Meyera E. Oberndorf
B. ROLL CALL OF CITY COUNCIL
C. RECESS TO CLOSED SESSION
V. FORMAL SESSION
A. CALL TO ORDER — Mayor Meyera E. Oberndorf
B. INVOCATION: Reverend Fred Devan
Grace Community Church
C. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
D. ELECTRONIC ROLL CALL OF CITY COUNCIL
E. CERTIFICATION OF CLOSED SESSION
F. MINUTES
1. INFORMAL AND FORMAL SESSIONS October 14, 2003
G. AGENDA FOR FORMAL SESSION
H. CONSENT AGENDA
I. PUBLIC HEARING
1 FY 2004-05 OPERATING BUDGET and CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN (CIP)
J. PUBLIC COMMENT
1. FY 2004-05 OPERATING BUDGET - Preliminary Priorities
Presentation: Catheryn Whitesell, Director, Department of Management Services
K. ORDINANCES/RESOLUTIONS
1. Ordinance to AMEND § 27-3 and REPEAL § 38-6 of the City Code re weapon purchase
permits.
2. Ordinance to AUTHORIZE the City Manager to exercise the option between the City and
Branwick Corporate Center L.L.C., to repurchase 11.764 acres of real property on the
northeast side of Bonney Road, by REFUNDING $1,200,000 from "Community Services
Board Complex Land Acquisition".
L. PLANNING
RECONSIDERATION: Application of FORT WORTH DEVELOPMENT, INC.
fora Conditional Use Permit re a multi -family Condominium in the B-4 Shore Drive
Corridor Overlay District at Dinwiddie Road and DuPont Circle. (approved August 12,
2003 )
(DISTRICT 4 - BAYSIDE)
Staff Recommends:
Planning Commission Recommends:
DENIAL
APPROVAL
2 Application of the CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH re discontinuance, closure and
abandonment of a portion of Honeygrove Way, south of East Honeygrove Road
between Donation Drive and Independence Boulevard.
(DISTRICT 4 — BAYSIDE)
Recommendation:
APPROVAL
3 Application of CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB re discontinuance, closure and
abandonment of the cul-de-sac at the eastern terminus of Tanager Trail.
(DISTRICT 5 — LYNNHAVEN)
Recommendation:
DEFERRAL
4. Variance to § 4.4(b) of the Subdivision Ordinance to subdivide the existing one parcel
into two (2) with a flag lot for JEFFERY L. BAKER, at 936 East Sparrow Road.
(DISTRICT 2 — KEMPSVILLE )
Applicant and Staff Request:
Planning Commission Recommends:
WITHDRAWAL
DENIAL
5. Variance to § 4.4(b) of the Subdivision Ordinance to allow a residential dwelling
without public access for WILLARD P. ORR, at 1557 Indian River Road.
(DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE)
Staff Recommends:
Planning Commission Recommends:
DENIAL
APPROVAL
6. Application of CRAB CREEK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, INC. for a
MODIFICATION of Conditions on a Conditional Use Permit for a community boat dock
(approved by City Council October 24, 2000) to increase the boat length from twenty-six
(26) feet to thirty-five (35) feet at 2096, 2098, 2092, 2094 Tazewell Road and 3557, 3559,
3561, 3563 Piedmont Circle.
(DISTRICT 4 - BAYSIDE)
Recommendation. APPROVAL
7.' Application of HOME ASSOCIATES OF VIRGINIA, INC. for a Change of Zoning District
Classification from AG-2 Agricultural District and R-10 Residential District to Conditional
R-7.5 Residential District at 960, 964 and 966 Old Dam Neck Road
( DISTRICT 7 —PRINCESS ANNE)
Recommendation:
8. Application of NEAR POST, L.L.C. fora Change of Zoning Distract Classification from
H-1 Hotel District, B-2 Business District, B-1 Business District and R-40 Residential
District to Conditional A-36 Apartment District at 1020 and 1040 Laskin Road and a
portion of Parcel A on Oriole Drive.
(DISTRICT 5 — LYNNHAVEN)
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Recommendation:
APPROVAL
Applications of ALCAR, L.L.C. on the north side of Nimmo Parkway (unimproved),
west of Rockingchair Lane.
(DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE)
a. Change of Zoning District Classification from AG-1 and AG-2 Agricultural
Districts to Conditional R-10 Residential District
b. Conditional Use Permit for Open Space
Recommendation:
APPROVAL
10. Applications of MALBON BROS. PETROLEUM, L.L.C. on the northeast corner of
General Booth Boulevard and Culver Lane
(DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE)
a. MODIFICATION of Conditions to applications of Eight D Corp. for a
Conditional Zoning and Conditional Use Permit (approved by City Council on
April 27, 1993) at 1896 General Booth Boulevard
b. Change of Zoning District Classification from AG-2 Agricultural District to
Conditional B-2 Community Business District
C. Conditional Use Permit re a car wash
Recommendation:
APPROVAL
11. Application of FRANK BLOCKER for a Conditional Use Permit re motor vehicle sales
and rental at the southeast intersection of Lynnhaven Parkway and Virginia Beach
Boulevard.
(DISTRICT 6 — BEACH)
Staff Recommends: DENIAL
Planning Commission Recommends: APPROVAL
M. APPOINTMENTS
MINORITY BUSINESS COUNCIL
TIDEWATER REGIONAL GROUP HOME COMMISSION
N. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
O. NEW BUSINESS
P. ADJOURNMENT
If you are physically disabled or visually impaired
and need assistance at this meeting,
please call the CITY CLERK'S OFFICE at 4274303
Hearing impaired, call TDD only 427-4305
(TDD - Telephonic Device for the Deaf)
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October 28, 2003
I CITY MANAGER'S BRIEFINGS -Conference Room- 2:00 PM
A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM (CEP) PROCESS and FINANCING REVIEW
Catheryn Whitesell, Director, Department of Management Services
B. TAX REFORM
Robert Matthias, Assistant to the City Manager
C. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROPOSAL re ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
Leslie Lilley, City Attorney
Karen Lasley, Zoning Administrator
II REVIEW OF AGENDA ITEMS
III CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS
IV. INFORMAL SESSION -Conference Room- 4:30 PM
A. CALL TO ORDER — Mayor Meyers E Oberndorf
B. ROLL CALL OF CITY COUNCIL
C. RECESS TO CLOSED SESSION
V. FORMAL SESSION
A. CALL TO ORDER — Mayor Meyera E. Oberndorf
B. INVOCATION: Reverend Fred Devan
Grace Community Church
C. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
D. ELECTRONIC ROLL CALL OF CITY COUNCIL
E CERTIFICATION OF CLOSED SESSION
F. MINUTES
1. INFORMAL AND FORMAL SESSIONS October 14, 2003
G. AGENDA FOR FORMAL SESSION
H. CONSENT AGENDA
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CERTIFICATION OF CLOSED SESSION
VIRGINIA BEACH CITY COUNCIL
WHEREAS: The Virginia Beach City Council convened into CLOSED SESSION,
pursuant to the affirmative vote recorded here and in accordance with the provisions of The
Virginia Freedom of Information Act, and,
WHEREAS: Section 2.2-3712 of the Code of Virginia requires a certification by the
governing body that such Closed Session was conducted in conformity with Virginia Law.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED: That the Virginia Beach City Council
hereby certifies that, to the best of each member's knowledge, (a) only public business matters
lawfully exempted from Open Meeting requirements by Virginia Law were discussed in Closed
Session to which this certification resolution applies; and, (b) only such public business matters
as were identified in the motion convening this Closed Session were heard, discussed or
considered by Virginia Beach City Council
I. PUBLIC HEARING
1. FY 2004-05 OPERATING BUDGET and CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN (CIP)
PUBLIC COMMENT
1. FY 2004-05 OPERATING BUDGET - Preliminary Priorities
Presentation: Catheryn Whitesell, Director, Department of Management Services
THE BEACON
SUNDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2003
At 6 00 PM, Tuesday, October 28,
2003 , the Virginia Beach City
Council will RECONSIDER the appli-
cation of FORT -WORTH DEVELOP-
MENT, INC. for a Conditional Use
Permit re multifamily Condo-
minium in the B-4 Shore Drive Cor-
ndor Overlay District at Dmwifte
Road and DuPont Circle (DIS-
TRICT 4 - BAYSIDE) {This apphca-
Uon passed with a 6-5 vote on
August 12, 2003 and RECONSID-
ERATION has been authorized )
Interested citizens are invited to
attend
Ruth Hodges Smith, MMC
City Clerk
If you are physically disabled or visually impaired and need assistance
at this meeting, please call the CITY CLERK'S OFFICE at 427-4303,
Hearing impaired, call TDD only 427-4305 (TDD - Telephonic Device for
the Deaf)
Beacon October 12, 2003 and October 19, 2003 10678735
SUNDN, OCTOBER 19, 2003
A* 6 U(' Phi Tuesday. October 28,
2003 the Virginia Beac,l City
Council will RECONSIDER the appli-
cation of FORT WORT14 DEVELOP-
MENT, INC. for a Concittional Use
Per�r It re multi -family Condo-
minium in the B-4 Shore Drive Car
ridor Overlay District at Dinwiddie
Road and DuPont Circle (DIS
TRICT 4 BAYSIDE) {This applica
tion passed with a 6.5 vote or
August 12. 2003 and RECONSID-
ERATION has been authorized )
Interested citizens are invited to
attend
Ruth Hedges Smitr NImC
City Clerk
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K. ORDINANCES/RESOLUTIONS
1. Ordinance to AMEND § 27-3 and REPEAL § 38-6 of the City Code re weapon purchase
permits.
2. Ordinance to AUTHORIZE the City Manager to exercise the option between the City and
Branwick Corporate Center L.L.C., to repurchase 11.764 acres of real property on the
northeast side of Bonney Road, by REFUNDING $1,200,000 from "Community Services
Board Complex Land Acquisition".
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: Ordinance to Amend Section 27-3 and Repeal Section 38-6 of the
City Code Pertaining to City Weapons Purchase Permits
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
Currently Section 38-6 requires citizens to obtain a City Weapons Purchase Permit
prior to purchasing a hand gun. Section 27-3 allows the Police Department to
collect a fee of $10.00 from the citizen applying for the permit The Police
Department processes approximately 2,100 Weapons Purchase Permits a year,
resulting in a yearly revenue of $21,000.00
■ Considerations:
The criminal background check run by the Police Department duplicates the one the
State Police must run in accordance with State Code Section 18.2-308.2:2 prior to
issuing a hand gun purchase permit. With the limitations imposed by State Code
Section 15.2-915 local jurisdictions' regulation of hand guns is severely curtailed,
leaving the City's Weapons Purchase Permit Program with no substantial purpose
other than the collection of the ten dollar fee. Approving this ordinance will end the
City's Weapons Purchase Program. The City will no longer issue weapons
purchase permits and citizens will only be required to obtain the state mandated
weapons purchase permit.
■ Public Information:
To be advertised in the same manner as other items on Council's agenda.
■ Recommendations:
Amend Section 27-3 and repeal Section 38-6
■ Attachments:
Ordinance
Recommended Action: Approval
Submitting Department/Agency: Police Department
City Manager:
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1 AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND SECTION 27-3 AND REPEAL
2 SECTION 38-6 OF THE CITY CODE PERTAINING TO
3 WEAPONS PURCHASE PERMITS
4 SECTIONS AMENDED: §§ 27-3 AND 38-6
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6 BE IT ORDAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF VIRGINIA
7 BEACH, VIRGINIA:
8 That Section 27-3 of the City Code is hereby amended, to read
9 as follows:
10 Sec. 27-3 . Authority of department to furnish copies of records,,
11 perform certain services, etc., and fees therefor.
12 (a) The department of police is hereby authorized to furnish
13 photostatic copies of accident reports and offense reports, to
14 release forensic photographs after all criminal charges are
15 resolved and when such release is provided by law, to make record
16 checks and reports (local record only), to take fingerprints of
17 individuals on request and to allow offense reports to be viewed by
8 proper persons.
19 (b) For the services mentioned in subsection (a) above, and
20 for the processing of applications for permits required by law, the
21 following fees shall be charged:
22 (1) Photostatic copy of accident report . . . . $ 10.00
23 (2) Photostatic copy of offense report . . . . 10.00
24 (3) Copy of booking (mug -shot) photograph . . . 2.00
25 (4) Record check and report by name (local) . . 15.00
26 (5) Fingerprinting of individuals on request 5.00
27 (6) Pulling offense report to review only 5.00
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. 10.00
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Process bingo permit application . . . . .
. 100.00
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Process raffle permit application . . . . .
50.00
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Dance hall permit application . . . . . . .
50.00
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Turkey shoot permit application . . . . . .
50.00
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Certificate for public convenience
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50.00
35 (13) Precious metals permit . . . . . . . . . . 200.00
36 (14 ) Vendor permit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25.00
37 (15) Concealed weapon permit . . . . . . . . . . 35.00
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39 COMMENT
40 This amendment removes the authority for the Police Department to collect a $10.00 Weapons
41 Purchase Permit fee.
42 That Section 38-6 of the City Code is hereby repealed:
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114 Repealing this section puts an end to the City's Weapons Purchase Permit Program.
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CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: An Ordinance Authorizing the Repurchase of 11.764 Acres ± Located on
Bonney Road and Authorizing the Refund $1,200,000 from CIP Project 3-
016 Community Services Board Complex Land Acquisition
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background: On July, 11, 2001, Branwick Corporate Center, LLC, ("Branwick"), the
assignee of Branwick Associates Inc., purchased four parcels of real property
consisting of approximately 11.764 acres± of land, from the City. The property is
located on the Northwest Side of Bonney Road. Pursuant to the Agreement of Sale
between the City and Branwick and the recorded Memorandum of Agreement
(collectively the "Agreement"), Branwick was required to commence construction no
later than 270 days from the Settlement Date (April 11, 2002). Branwick
subsequently requested and was granted three extensions. The most recent
extension required Branwick to commence construction by August 11, 2003. Under
the Agreement the City has the right to repurchase the Property at the original
purchase price of $1,200,000 in the event Branwick fails to commence construction
by the deadline. Branwick failed to commence construction within the prescribed
deadline and the City is now exercising its right to repurchase the Property as set
forth in the Agreement.
■ Considerations: Repurchasing the property for $1,200,000 will allow the City to
actively market the Property.
■ Public Information: Public information will be provided through the normal agenda
process.
■ Recommendations: Approve the refunding of $1,200,000 allowing the City to
repurchase the Property at the original purchase price.
■ Attachments: Ordinance
Recommended Action: Repurchase the property from Branwick Associates for the original
purchase price of $1,200,000.
Submitting Department/Agency: Economic Development
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1 AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER OR
2 HIS DESIGNEE TO EXERCISE THE OPTION BETWEEN
3 THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH AND BRANWICK
4 CORPORATE CENTER L.L.C. TO REPURCHASE 11.764
5 ACRES OF REAL PROPERTY BY REFUNDING $11200, 000
6 FROM CIP #3-106, "COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD
7 COMPLEX LAND ACQUISITION"
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9 WHEREAS, the City entered into an Agreement with Branwick
10 Corporate Center L.L.C., dated July 11, 2001, for the sale of
11 approximately 11.764 acres of excess City owned real property (the
12 "Parcel") at a purchase price of $1,200,000 for the purpose of
13 encouraging office development in the Central Business District;
14 WHEREAS, the Agreement provides the City of Virginia Beach an
15 option to repurchase the Parcel at the original selling price of
16 $1,200,000 if Branwick Corporate Center L.L.C., fails to comply
17 with the time requirement for commencing construction; and
18 WHEREAS, Branwick Corporate Center L.L.C., has not met the
19 time requirement in the Agreement for commencing construction,
20 despite requesting and receiving three extensions of time.
21 NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
22 VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA,
23 1. The City Manager or his designee is hereby authorized to
24 exercise the option in the Agreement for repurchasing the Parcel at
25 the original purchase price of $1,200,000.
26 2. The City Manager or his designee, in cooperation with the
27 City Attorney, is further authorized to have prepared and to
28 execute all documents that may be necessary or appropriate in
29 connection with repurchasing the Parcel.
30 3. That $1,200,000 is hereby authorized to be refunded from
31 CIP #3-106, "Community Services Board Complex Land Acquisition,"
32 for the purpose of repurchasing the Parcel.
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City of Virginia Beach,
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the of
, 2003.
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L. PLANNING
l . RECONSIDERATION: Application of FORT WORTH DEVELOPMENT, INC.
fora Conditional Use Permit re a multi -family Condominium in the B-4 Shore Drive
Corridor Overlay District at Dinwiddie Road and DuPont Circle. (approved August 12,
2003)(DISTRICT 4 - BAYSIDE)
2 Application of the CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH re discontinuance, closure and
abandonment of a portion of Honeygrove Way, south of East Honeygrove Road
between Donation Drive and Independence Boulevard. (DISTRICT 4 — BAYSIDE)
3. Application of CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB re discontinuance, closure and
abandonment of the cul-de-sac at the eastern terminus of Tanager Trail.
(DISTRICT 5 — LYNNHAVEN)
4. Variance to § 4.4(b) of the Subdivision Ordinance to subdivide the existing one parcel
into two (2) with a flag lot for JEFFERY L. BAKER, at 936 East Sparrow Road.
(DISTRICT 2 — KEMPSVILLE )
5. Variance to § 4.4(b) of the Subdivision Ordinance to allow a residential dwelling
without public access for WILLA" P. ORR, at 1557 Indian River Road.
(DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE)
6. Application of CRAB CREEK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, INC. for a
MODIFICATION of Conditions on a Conditional Use Permit for a community boat dock
(approved by City Council October 24, 2000) to increase the boat length from twenty-six
(26) feet to thirty-five (35) feet at 2096, 2098, 2092, 2094 Tazewell Road and 3557, 3559,
3561, 3563 Piedmont Circle. (DISTRICT 4 - BAYSIDE)
7 Application of HOME ASSOCIATES OF VIRGINIA, INC. for a Change of Zoning District
Classification from AG-2 Agricultural District and R-10 Residential District to Conditional
R-7 5 Residential District at 960, 964 and 966 Old Dam Neck Road
( DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE)
8. Application of NEAR POST, L.L.C. for a Change of Zoninjz Distract Classification from
H-1 Hotel District, B-2 Business District, B-1 Business District and R-40 Residential
District to Conditional A-36 Apartment District at 1020 and 1040 Laskin Road and a
portion of Parcel A on Oriole Drive (DISTRICT 5 — LYNNHAVEN)
9. Applications of ALCAR, L.L.C. on the north side of Nimmo Parkway (unimproved),
west of Rockingchair Lane. (DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE)
a. Change of Zoning Distract Classification from AG-1 and AG-2 Agricultural
Districts to Conditional R-10 Residential District
b. Conditional Use Permit for Open Space
10. Applications of MALBON BROS. PETROLEUM, L.L.C. on the northeast corner of General
Booth Boulevard and Culver Lane(DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE)
a. MODIFICATION of Conditions to applications of Eight D Corp. for a
Conditional Zoning and Conditional Use Permit (approved by City Council on
April 27, 1993) at 1896 General Booth Boulevard
b. Change of Zoning Distract Classification from AG-2 Agricultural District to
Conditional B-2 Community Business District
c Conditional Use Permit re a car wash
11. Application of FRANK BLOCKER for a Conditional Use Permit re motor vehicle sales and
rental at the southeast intersection of Lynnhaven Parkway and Virginia Beach Boulevard.
(DISTRICT 6 — BEACH)
Staff Recommends: DENIAL
Planning Commission Recommends: APPROVAL
THE BEACON
SUNDAY, OCTOBER 1.2, 2003
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
Virginia Beach City Council will meet in the Chamber at City Hall,
Municipal Center, 2401 Courthouse Drive, Tuesday. October 28,
2003. at 6:00 D.m The following applications will be heard:
DISTRICT 7 - PRINCESS ANNE
1
ALCAR L L C Application Change of Zonm, District Classification
from AG-1 and AG-2 Agricultural to Conditional R-10 Residentia! on the
north side of Nimmo Parkway (unimproved;, approximately 910 feet
arrest of Rockingchair Lane The Comprehensive Plan recommends use
of this oarcel for residential uses at or below 3 5 dwelling units per
acre The Comprehensive Plan also identifies the site as a Conserva-
tion Area where land -disturbing activities should be avoided, mitigated,
or under certain conditions Drohibitea
2
ALCAR L L C Application Conditional Use Permit for Open Space
Promotion on the north side of Nimmo Parkway (unimproved), al7proxl-
mately 910 feet west of Rockingchair Lane
3 `
Malbon Bros Petroleum, L L C Application Change of Zoning District
Classification from AG-2 Agricultural to Conditional K Community
Business on the northeast corner of General Booth Boulevard and Cul-
ver Lane The Comprehensive Plan recommends use of a portion of
this property for retail, service, and office uses and a portion for resi-
dential uses above 3.5 dwelling units per acre
4
Malbon Bros Petroleum, L L C Application Conditional Use Permit for
a car wash on the northeast corner of General Booth Boulevard and
Culve• Lane
5
Malbon Bros Petroleum, L L C Application Modification of Condi-
tions to applications of Eight D Corp for a Conditional Rezoning and
Conditional Use Permit approved by City Council on Apnl 27, 1993 at
1896 General Booth Boulevard
6
Home Associates of Virginia, Inc Application Change of Zoning Dis-
trict Classification from AG-2 Agricultural and R-10 Residential to Con-
d,tional R-7 5 Residential at 960, 964 and 966 Old Dam Neck Road
The Comprehensive Plan recommends use of this site for residential
uses above 3 5 dwel�ing units per acre
7
Appeal to Decisions of Administrative Officers in regard to certain ele-
ments of the Subdivision Ordinance, Subdivision for Willard P Orr, at
1557 Indian River Road
DISTRICT 6 - BEACH
8
Frank Blocker for a Conditional Use Permit for motor vehicle sales and
rental on the southeast intersection of Lynnhaven Parkway and Vir-
ginia Beach Boulevard
DISTRICT 2 - KEMPSVILLE
9
Appeal to Decisions of Administrative Officers in regard to certain ele-
ments of the Subdivision Ordinance, Subdivision for Jeffery L Baker, at
936 East Sparow Road ,-
DISTRICT 4 - BAYSIDE
10
City of Virginia Beach Application Discontinuance closure and aban-
donment of a portion of Honeygrove Way beginning at a point 310 40
feet south of East Honeygrove Road
DISTRICT 5 - LYNNHAVEN
Near Post, L L C Application Change of Zoning District Classificatioridd
from H-1 Hotel B-2 Business, B-1 Business and R-40 Residential to
Conditiona! A-36 at 1020 and 1040 Laskin Road and a portion of Par-
cel A, Oriole The Comprehensive Plan recommends use of this site for
retail service office and other compatible uses serving surrounding
neighborhoods and communities
12
.avaller Golf & Yacht Ciub Apolicat,or Discontinuance, closure and
abandonmen, or the c.:l-de-sac at the eastern terminus of Tanager
oral,
Interested cit yens are Invl_ed' to atte^�
Ruth Hodges Smith, P,1MC
SUNDA`i! OCTOBER '��, 01'J'1s
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEAPING
VirgNa Beach City Council will meet in the Chamber at City Half.
Municipal Center. 2401 Courthouse Drive, Tuesday, October 28,
2003, at 6:00 p.m. The io e*ng applications wail be heard:
DISTRICT 7 - PRINCESS ANNE
1
ALCAR, L.L C Application Change of Zoning District Classification
from AG-1 and AG-2 Agricultural to Conditional R-10 Residential on the
north side of Nimmo Parkway (unimproved) approximately 910 feet
west of Rockingchaw Lane The Comprehensive Plan recommends use
of this parcel for residential uses at or below 3 5 dwelling units per
acre The Comprehensive Plan also identifies the site as a Conserva-
tion Area where land -disturbing activities should be avoided mitigated
or under certain conditions prohibited
2
ALCAR, LL C Application Conditional Use Permit for Often Space
Promotion on the north side of Nimmo Parkway furimproved), approx,-
mately 910 feet west of Rockingchair Lane
3
Malbon Bros Petroleum. L L C App!,cation Change of Zoning Distric,
Classification from AG-2 Agricultural to Conditional B-2 Community
Business on the northeast comer of General Booth Boulevard and C.;'
ver Lane The Comprehensive Plan recommends use of a portion of
this property for retail, service, and office uses and a port,or, for ;es:
dential uses above 3 5 dwelling units per acre
4
Malbon Bros Petioleurn L L C Application Condit.onai ljse Pern 1- for
a car wash on the northeast comer of General Booth Boulevard anc
Culver Lane
5
Malbon Bros Petroleum, L L C. Application Modificat on of Condi-
tions to applications of Eight D Corp for a Condit:onal Rezoning ane
Conditional Use Permit approved by Citv Council on April 27 1993 al
1896 General Booth Boulevard
6
Home Associates of Virginia, Inc Aoplication Change of Zo-ing Dis-
trict Classification from AG-2 Agricultural and R-10 Residential to Con-
druonal R-7.5 Residential at 960, 964 ano 966 Old Dam Neck Roar
The Comprehensnre Plan recommends use er ih,s site Tor res,den:ia!
uses above 3 5 dwelling units per acre
7
Appeal to Decisions of Administrative Officers I^ regard to certain ele-
ments of the Subdivision Ordinance. Subdiv,s,on *or Willard P Orr at
1557 Indian River Road
DISTRICT 6 - BEACH
8
Frank Blocker for a Conditional Use Permit for motor vehicle sales aria
rental on the southeast intersection of Lyn,nhaver. Parkway anc V,r
ginia Beach Boulevard
DISTRICT 2 - KEMPSVILLE
9
Appeal to Decisions of Administrative Officers in regard to ce�tan e,e-
ments of the Subdivision Ordinance Subdivision for Jeffery L Baker at
936 East Sparrow Road
DISTRICT 4 - BAYSIDE
'0
City of Virginia Beach Application Discontinuance, closure and aban-
donment of a portion of Honeygrove Way, beginning at a point 310 40
feet south of East Noneygrove Road
DISTRICT 5 - LYNNHAVEN
11
Near Post, L L C Application Charge of Zoning Distnct Classification
from H-1 Hotel, B-2 Business, 8-1 Business and R-40 Residentia! to
Conditional A-36 at 1020 and 1040 Laskin Road and a por'tior of Par
cel A, Oriole The Comprehensive Plan recommends use of th,s site for
retail, service, office and other compatible uses searing surrounding
neighborhoods and communities
12
Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club Application Discontinuance, closure and
abandonment of the cul-de-sac at the eastern terminus of Tanager
Trail
Interested citizens are invited to a --tend
Ruth Hodges Smith MMC
C"', C'
BEACON OCTOBER 12 and OCTOBER 19 200 -_� 1r,687991
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Item V-M.6.
PLANNING ITEM # 51543
Attorney Edward Bourdon, Phone 499-8971,advised Stan Tseng has been owner of this property for over
20 years In 1999, the applicant had a site plan approved by the City far a 40-unit condominium on this
site Mr Tseng decided to wait and upgrade the project The site plan was distributed to City Council The
units are a minimum of 2200 square feet in size with values of $112-MILLIONand above Twelve (12) live
oak trees shall be preserved on the property
Gary Mah, 2956 Buccaneer Road, Phone 961-9180, resident of Lynnhaven Colony
The following registered in OPPOSITION. -
Wade Ogg, 3558 Shore Drive #704, Phone 363-8442, represented the Board ofDirectors of the Chesapeake
House and distributed concerns and requested Conditions to be added
Todd Solomon , 2260 First Landing Lane, Phone 496-5833, represented the Shore Drive Community
Coalition, submitted statement from the Coalition, which is hereby made a part of the record
Jack Bryan, 4201 Blackbeard Road, Phone 409-6586, represented Bay Lake Pines Civic League
Tim Solanis, 3612 Dupont Circle, Phone 464-492Z advised the Ocean Park Civic League voted in
OPPOSITION
Tracy Estep, 2230 Maple Street, Phone 481-2549, her father previously owned the property, distributed
copies of Minutes from February 26, 1979 (W W Rose Change of Zoningfrom B-4 to R-8)
Dr Judith Johnson, 3739 Dupont Circle, Phone 363-9798, legislative representative of the Ocean Park
Civic League and Women 's Club
A MOTION was made by Vice Mayor Jones, seconded by Council Lady McClanan, to DENY the Ordinance
upon application of FORT WORTHDEVELOPMENT, INC. for a Conditional Use Permit re multi family
Condominium
Voting 5-6 (MOTION LOST TO A NEGATIVE VOTE)
Council Members Voting Aye
Vice Mayor Louis R Jones, Reba S McClanan, Richard A Maddox, Mayor
Meyera E Oberndorf, and James L Wood
Council Members Voting Nay
Harry E Diezel, Margaret L Eure, Jim Reeve, Peter W Schmidt, Ron A
Villanueva and Rosemary Wilson
Council Members Absent
None
August 12, 2003
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Item V-M.6.
PLANNING ITEM # 51543 (Continued)
Upon motion by Councilman Schmidt, seconded by Council Lady Wilson, City Council ADOPTED, with
REVISED Conditions, Ordinance upon application of FORT WORTH DEVELOPMENT, INC. for a
Conditional Use Permit re multi family Condominium
ORDINANCE UPONAPPLICA TION OF FOR T WORTHDEVELOPMENT, INC-
FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT RE MULTI -FAMILY CONDOMINIUM
R080331117
BE IT HEREBY ORDAINED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
Ordinance upon application of FORT WORTH DEVELOPMENT, INC. for a
Conditional Use Permit re multi family Condominium in the B-4 Shore Drive
Corridor Overlay District on the north side of Shore Drive between Dinwiddie
Road and DuPont Circle (GPIN 1489590079) (DISTRICT 4- BAYSIDE)
The following conditions shall be required
I The development of the site (including site layout, ingress/egress, fence
location and materials, etc) shall substantially conform to the submitted
plan entitled, " Conceptual Site Layout & Landscape Plan of Dupont
Circle Shore Drive, Virginia Beach, VA, "prepared by MSA, P C , dated 2-
3-03, which has been exhibited to the Virginia Beach City Council and is
on file in the Planning Department
2 The building shall be constructed as depicted on the rendering entitled,
"Shore Drive facade at Dupont Circle "prepared by Howard Architectural
Presentations, and the elevations entitled, "Dupont Circle Condominiums
pages A 2, and A 7, " dated March 5, 2003, which have been exhibited to
the Virginia Beach City Council and are on file in the PlanningDepartment
3 The Landscape Plan to be submitted during final site plan review shall
mimic the plan identified above in Condition 1 Any additional planting
shall adhere to the Landscape Guidelines established in the adopted Shore
Drive Corridor Plan, Appendices Any trees identified to be saved shall be
adequately protected with chain link fencing surrounding the entire tree at
the drip line until construction is complete In addition, a certified arborist
shall be present at the time of clearing and shall periodically inspect the
site to ensure the health of the preserved trees
4 Identification signage shall be monument style and shall adhere to all
applicable Shore Drive Corridor Design Guidelines
August 12, 2003
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Item V-M.6.
PLANNING ITEM # S1543 (Continued)
ADDED REVISIONS AT REQUEST OF RESIDENTS OF THE CHESAPEAKE
BAYHOUSE ON THE BAY.
1 That a retaining wall be constructed to protect the integrity of the parking
garage of The Chesapeake House On The Bay
2 That the developer and owners work with homeowners of The Chesapeake
House on the Bay to install a device to restrict traffic flow through the
parking lot and driveway of The Chesapeake House
This Ordinance shall be effective in accordance with Section 107 (0 of the Zoning Ordinance
Adopted by the Council of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, on the Twelfth of August, Two Thousand
Three
Voting 6-5
Council Members Voting Aye
Harry E. Diezel, Margaret L Eure, Jim Reeve, Peter W Schmidt, Ron A
Villanueva and Rosemary Wilson
Council Members Voting Nay
Vice Mayor Louis R Jones, Reba S McClanan, Richard A Maddox, Mayor
Meyera E Oberndorf, and James L Wood
Council Members Absent
None
August 12, 2003
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Item V-M.1.
ADD/ON
ITEM # 51687
Upon motion by Councilman Schmidt, seconded by Councilman Reeve, City Council SCHEDULED
RECONSIDERATION for October 28, 2003, at 6 pm,
FORT WORTH DEVELOPMENT, INC CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for a
Condominium on Shore Drive at Dinwiddie Road/Dupont Circle (Approved
by City Council 0811212003)
Voting 9-0
Council Members Voting Aye
Harry E Diezel, Vice Mayor Louis R Jones, Reba S McClanan, Richard A
Maddox, MayorMeyera E Oberndorf, Jim Reeve, Peter W Schmidt, Rosemary
Wilson and James L Wood
Council Members Voting Nay
None
Council Members Absent
Margaret L Eure and Ron A Villanueva
September 9, 2003
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CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: Fort Worth Development, Inc. — Conditional Use Permit
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
An Ordinance upon Application of Fort Worth Development, Inc. for a Conditional
Use Permit for multi -family dwellings in B-4 (SD) on the north side of Shore Drive
between Dinwiddie Road and Dupont Circle (GPIN 1489590079). DISTRICT 4 —
BAYSIDE
The purpose of this request is to construct 27 multi -family dwellings in a
condominium form of ownership.
This request was approved by the City Council on August 12. On September 9,
the City Council, as provided for by Section 107(f) of the City Zoning Ordinance,
voted to reconsider the approval of August 12. The City Council established the
date of October 28 for that reconsideration to occur. On October 21, City staff
was provided with some additional information regarding this application.
The new information consists of changes to the site and building design.
Staff has not had the opportunity to fully evaluate these new plans as this
agenda goes to print. If acceptable to the Council, Staff will present its
assessment of this information at Tuesday's meeting.
■ Considerations:
The applicant is requesting to develop this 1 14-acre site with 27 mid -rise (6-
story) multifamily units (24 units per acre). The Zoning Ordinance identifies
multifamily dwelling units in the B-4 District as a "conditional use" rather than a
"permitted" use thereby requiring the applicant to seek a Conditional Use Permit.
The proposed 27-unit condominium development does meet the density allowed
under the B-4 zoning (albeit the maximum allowed at 24 units per acre);
however, Staff did not recommend approval of the proposal to the Planning
Commission based on specific concerns regarding the height of the structure and
the resulting massiveness of the six (6) story, 111,596 square foot building.
Section 221 (1) of the City of City Zoning Ordinance stipulates that any conditional
use "...be compatible with the neighborhood in which it is to be located, both in
terms of existing land uses and conditions and in terms of proposed land uses
and use permitted by right in the area. Among matters to be considered in this
connection are traffic flow and control, access to and circulation within the
property; off-street parking and loading, refuse and service areas, utilities;
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screening and buffering; signs, yards and other open spaces; height, bulk and
location of structures, location of proposed open space uses, hours and the
manner of operation, and noise, light, dust, odor, fumes and vibrations."
While the "use" of the property for multi -family dwellings is acceptable, Staff
concludes that the massiveness and height of the structure could negatively
impact the surrounding residential properties to the west Section 221 requires,
among other things, that the height and the bulk of the proposal be in concert
with all surrounding properties There are the two (2) and three (3) story
residential units to the west Staff acknowledges the existence of the adjacent 12
story Chesapeake House to the east However, the massiveness of that
development does not appear as imposing due to the fact that the footprint of the
high rise itself does not encompass the majority of the site as does this project
and the Chesapeake House property is larger, thereby reducing its "presence " In
addition, the high rise's aboveground 3 story parking deck provides for some
form of a transition from the 12 story high rise to this property in question.
The more serious concern involves the Master Transportation Plan The Master
Transportation Plan identifies this portion of Shore Drive as a 150-foot wide right-
of-way The existing right-of-way is deficient in this regard The existing right-of-
way in this location, as measured by staff, is approximately 106 to 110 feet Staff
estimates that a 20 to 22 foot reservation will be needed on this side of the road
at this location to accomplish the required 150-foot wide right-of-way Shore
Drive is planned to have extensive landscaping and trails, which when combined
with future improvements to the roadway lanes and the replacement of the
Lesner Bridge, requires a wide right-of-way. Section 201(b) of the City Zoning
Ordinance requires that the yard setback be measured from the ultimate right-of-
way, as expressed in this case by the reservation line There is space on the plan
to accommodate the reservation, however, the building setback cannot be met
when measured from the reservation line It is, therefore, staffs position that
regardless of any other issue, the failure of the applicant to adhere to the City's
adopted Master Transportation Plan makes it impossible for staff to support this
request as currently designed
Staff is not supportive of this request for a Conditional Use Permit and
recommended to the Planning Commission that the project be denied. There
was opposition to the proposal at the Planning Commission hearing
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 6-3 to approve
this request with the following conditions:
1 The development of the site (including site layout, ingress/egress, fence
location and materials, etc ) shall substantially conform to the submitted
plan entitled, " Conceptual Site Layout & Landscape Plan of Dupont Circle
Shore Drive, Virginia Beach, VA," prepared by MSA, P C., dated 2-3-03,
which has been exhibited to the Virginia Beach City Council and is on file
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in the Planning Department
2 The building shall be constructed as depicted on the rendering entitled,
"Shore Drive fagade at Dupont Circle" prepared by Howard Architectural
Presentations, and the elevations entitled, "Dupont Circle Condominiums
pages A 2, and A.7," dated March 5, 2003, which have been exhibited to
the Virginia Beach City Council and are on file in the Planning
Department.
3 The Landscape Plan to be submitted during final site plan review shall
mimic the plan identified above in Condition 1 Any additional planting
shall adhere to the Landscape Guidelines established in the adopted
Shore Drive Corridor Plan, Appendices Any trees identified to be saved
shall be adequately protected with chain link fencing surrounding the
entire tree at the drip line until construction is complete In addition, a
certified arborist shall be present at the time of clearing and shall
periodically inspect the site to ensure the health of the preserved trees
4 Identification signage shall be monument style and shall adhere to all
applicable Shore Drive Corridor Design Guidelines
■ Attachments:
Staff Review
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Recommended Action: Staff recommends denial Planning Commission recommends
approval
Submitting Department/Agency: Planning Department
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FORT WORTH DEVELOPMENT / # 15
June 11, 2003
General Information:
APPLICATION
NUMBER: G 03-213-CUP-2003
REQUEST: Conditional Use Permit for 27 multi family dwellings in the B-4 (Shore
Drive Corridor Overlay District) Resort Commercial District.
ADDRESS: 2300 Dinwiddie Road
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DISTRICT: 4 — BAYSIDE
SITE SIZE: 1.14 acres
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FORT WORTH DEVELOPMENT / # 15
Page 1
STAFF
PLANNER: Carolyn A.K. Smith
PURPOSE: To construct 27 multi family dwellings in a condominium form of
ownership.
APPLICATION This request was deferred at the May 14 Planning Commission
HISTORY: meeting
Major Issues:
• Degree to which the proposal is consistent with the Shore Drive Overlay
District, Shore Drive Design Guidelines and compatible with surrounding land
uses.
Land Use, Zoning, and
Site Characteristics:
Existina Land Use and Zonin
The vacant site is currently zoned B-
4 (SD) Resort Commercial District
with the Shore Drive Corridor
Overlay.
Surrounding Land Use and
Zoning
North:
• City rights -of -way, Chesapeake Bay
South:
. Shore Drive
• Single-family dwellings, restaurant / B-2
Community Business District
East:
. Condominiums / B-4 Resort Commercial District
West:
• Restaurant, duplex / B-2 Community Business
District, R-5R Residential District
Planning Commission Agenda
June 11, 2003
FORT WORTH DEVELOPMENT / # 15
Page 2
Zoning History
In the vicinity, no similar requests have been submitted for consideration by City
Council. Activity in the area includes a community boat dock, a street closure request,
and a communication tower. The approved rezoning includes changes to the P-1
Preservation District.
Air Installation Compatible Use Zone (AICUZ)
The site is in an AICUZ of less than 65dB Ldn surrounding NAS Oceana.
Public Facilities and Services
Water and Sewer
There is a 16 inch water main in Shore Drive fronting the property. The site must
connect to City water. Hydraulic calculations may be required.
There is a 10 inch sanitary sewer main and an 18 inch force main in Shore Drive
fronting the property. Sewer and pump station upgrades will be required.
There is no City water or sanitary sewer available in Dupont Circle or Dinwiddie Road.
Transportation
Master Transportation Plan (MTP) / Capital Improvement Program (CIP):
Shore Drive in the vicinity of this application is considered a four (4) lane urban
arterial. It is identified in the adopted Master Transportation Plan (which replaced
the 1991 Master Street and Highway Plan in 1997) as a 150-foot wide right-of-way
with a multi -use trail. The existing right-of-way in this location, as measured by staff,
is approximately 106 to 110 feet. Staff estimates that a 20 to 22 foot reservation will
be needed on this side of the road at this location to accomplish the required 150-
foot wide right-of-way. Section 201(b) of the City Zoning Ordinance requires that the
yard setback be measured from the ultimate right-of-way, as expressed in this case
by the reservation line. The applicant, however, notified of this need, has not revised
the plans to accommodate the reservation and the building setback and has
indicated no intention to do so.
Planning Commission Agenda
June 11, 2003
FORT WORTH DEVELOPMENT / # 15
Page 3
Traffic Calculations:
Street Name
Present
Present
Generated Traffic
Volume
Capacity
5,00
Existing Land Use -- 627 ADT
Shore Drive
17,300 ADT'
3
Proposed Land Use — 158 ADT
'Average Daily Trips
2 as defined by general B-4 uses
3 as defined by 27 condominium units
Schools
School
Current
Enrollment
Capacity
Generation 1
Change 2
Thorou h ood
606
684
1 8
2
Great Neck Middle
1141
1330
0.9
1
Cox High
2040
2018
1 1.2
1 1
I "generation" represents the number of students that the development will add to the school
2 "change" represents the difference between generated students under the existing zoning and
under the proposed zoning The number can be positive (additional students) or negative (fewer
students)
Public Safety
Police: The applicant is encouraged to contact and work with the
Crime Prevention Office within the Police Department for crime
prevention techniques and Crime Prevention Through
Environmental Design (OPTED) concepts and strategies as
they pertain to this site.
Fire and Adequate — no further comments.
Rescue:
Comprehensive Plan
The area of the proposed development falls within the "Mixed Zone" as identified in the
Shore Drive Corridor Design Guidelines. This portion of Shore Drive possesses a mix
of uses, primarily single-family and duplex units, office and commercial uses. The
Comprehensive Plan generally supports resort type uses including lodging, retail,
Planning Commission Agenda
June 11, 2003
FORT WORTH DEVELOPMENT / # 15
Page 4
entertainment, recreational, cultural and other uses in this area. The Bayfront Planning
Area's land use policies support well -planned and designed residential developments
that promote community aesthetics, economic vitality, quality physical environment, and
enhanced quality of life. The Shore Drive Corridor Plan and the Design Guidelines are
established to ensure that these initiatives are achieved. In addition, multiple -family
dwellings in the B-4 (SD) Resort Commercial District are allowed as Conditional Uses
only.
Summary of Proposal
Proposal
• The applicant is requesting to develop this 1.14 acre site with 27 mid -rise (6-
story) multifamily units (24 units per acre). The Zoning Ordinance identifies
multifamily dwelling units in the B-4 District as a "conditional use" rather than
a "permitted" use thereby requiring the applicant to seek a Conditional Use
Permit.
Site Design
• The site plan depicts a
single entrance along
the eastern property
line off of Dupont
Circle.
• All 60 parking spaces
will be under the six (6)
story building.
• Access to the units is
provided via four (4)
interior stairwells and
two (2) elevators
accessed under the
building, within the
parking area.
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FORT WORTH DEVELOPMENT / # 15
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• The structure containing the 27 units is "U" shaped. On the ground floor,
within the middle of the building, the site plan depicts two (2) rooms
adequately sized for meetings, banquets or recreation/exercise. A kitchen
and restrooms are also proposed in this area.
• A patio from the meeting and banquet rooms leads to an outdoor pool
depicted on the northern limits of development, at the foot of primary coastal
sand dune.
• A Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA) variance is required as the structure is
proposed four (4) feet from western property line (Dupont Circle right-of-way)
and it therefore within the required eight (8) foot side yard setback. In
addition, the depicted six (6) foot fence is shown on the property lines on both
Dinwiddie Road and Dupont Circle instead of the required eight (8) feet
setback.
Vehicular and Pedestrian Access
• No direct access to Shore Drive is proposed. Only a single ingress/egress
along the eastern property line, off of Dupont Circle, is proposed.
• An outdoor pool is depicted on the northern limits of development, at the foot
of primary coastal sand dune.
• The DSC has indicated that sidewalks along Shore Drive and up to the
entrance along Dupont Circle will be required.
Architectural Design
• The front elevation facing Shore Drive depicts a six (6) story building with
parking underneath on the first floor. The exterior building materials are a mix
of reddish brick along the foundation and "stepping up" to the third floor from
the east and west corners, then transitioning to vinyl shakes. The applicant
has markedly improved the Shore Drive fagade with the inclusion of porches
and columns. An architectural grade, green asphalt shingle will cover the roof
and the parking and storage areas (the first and second floors). In an attempt
to shield the parking from the street, it was covered with a roof and treated as
a portion of the fagade.
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June 11, 2003
FORT WORTH DEVELOPMENT / # 15
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• The rear and side elevation mimics the front with the use of porches to
capture the views available to the Chesapeake Bay.
Applicability to the Pertinent Shore Drive Design Guidelines:
General Design Concepts/Residential Guidelines
• Facades should be articulated to reduce the scale and one-dimensional
appearance. The overall intent is to encourage a more human scale and
pedestrian orientation. -
Staff Comment: The applicant has modified the original design to achieve
this guideline. However; the human scale is lacking and the there is no
obvious pedestrian orientation.
• Facades greater than 50 feet in length, visible from a public street, should
incorporate wall plane projections or recesses having a depth of at least three
feet.
Staff Comment: The proposed design does utilize projections and recesses
to reduce the redundancy and increase the visual interest.
• Fronts oriented toward Shore Drive should incorporate one-story porches,
arcades, bay windows, entry areas, breezeways, awnings, or other features.
Staff Comment: The original design has been modified to include porches
facing Shore Dnve. The building does have a `false arcade" that provides
cover to the parking spaces facing Shore Drive; however, it is obvious that it
is covering a parking area rather than providing a pedestrian entry and cover.
The roof of this arcade is somewhat odd and perhaps could be modified so
that doesn't extend beyond the first floor.
• Fagade colors should be low reflective, subtle, neutral, or earth tone colors.
Staff Comment: The earth tones of light and darkish brown are in keeping
with this guideline
• The placement of dormers and other raised roof areas, with a principal
sloping roof, are encouraged Use of half story, etc.
Staff Comment: The proposed variations in the roofline do help to enhance
the appearance of the building, however, the height being six (6) stories does
not provide for a lot of roof exposure other than the somewhat awkward roof
covenng the parking.
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• Front building facades should be located at the front yard setback.
Staff Comment: The building is located at the existing front yard setback of
30 feet; however, as noted earlier, due to Shore Drive being identified on the
Master Transportation Plan as a 150 foot wide right-of-way, the location of the
structure should be located 30 feet from the reservation. The applicant is
unwilling to recognize this requirement. This serious issue nullifies any
positive meats of the building's design.
• The street elevation of multiple -unit residential buildings should have at least
one street oriented entrance and contain the principal windows of the front
unit.
Staff Comment There is no pedestrian entrance visible from Shore Drive.
The covered parking area that leads to the elevators and stairs is hidden from
the rights -of -way.
Walls
• Walls should be clad in wood, cedar shingles, hardboard siding, lightweight
concrete siding, or shingles. Limited quantities of brick, stone or EIFS or split
faced block is allowable. Horizontal lap vinyl siding is discouraged.
Staff Comment: The building materials Include brick, two (2) variations of
vinyl shake. The intent of this guideline has been met.
• Walls of more than one material should only change material along a
horizontal line - the "heavier" material beneath the "lighter' material, trim
required at the change.
Staff Comment: This recommendation has not been used in the design of
the building.
• The second floor should be stepped back from the first floor, relative to Shore
Drive.
Staff Comment: The covered parking does extend out to Shore Drive beyond
the upper floors.
Roofs
• Pitched roofs should be metal standing seam, copper, wood shakes, or high -
quality asphalt shingles with a slope between 6:12 and 10-12.
Staff Comment: The roofs have a high quality architectural style green
shingle.
• Fascia and soffit material should be painted wood, vinyl or metal. Open
fascia with decorative rafter tails of 10 to 12 inches are encouraged.
Staff Comment.' The fascia and soffit are vinyl in a color to match the
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building. However, the fascia is not open and does not incorporate decorative
rafter tails.
• Variations in roof lines with the use of overhanging eaves, parapets, height
variations and entrance features is encouraged.
Staff Comment: There is some attempt to meet this guideline.
• Roofs specified in the Mixed Zone should be pitched to maintain compatibility
with the residential identity of the Ocean Park neighborhood.
Staff Comment: While the roof may mimic those of the residential dwellings
to the west, due to the height and square footage of the structure, it will
appear out of balance. Even though there is a higher building to the east, it is
set away from the property line and does not have as massive an appearance
from Shore Drive. As this project maximizes the allowable lot coverage, it will
appear more massive and out of scale with the development to the west.
Building Materials
• Porches should be wood, synthetic wood or faces with brick or stone. Porch
ceilings should be painted or have detailed vinyl covering.
Staff Comment: The proposed porches/patios will have concrete flooring.
• Railing systems should be wood, painted steel or vinyl.
Staff Comment: The railing systems will be vinyl coated aluminum.
• Columns should be wood or synthetic wood.
Staff Comment: The columns will be steel wrapped in vinyl and will appear
as painted wood.
• Porches, arcades, breezeways, etc. should be vertically proportional to the
building.
Staff Comment: This guideline has generally been met.
• Balconies should not extend more than 4 feet from the building.
Staff Comment: It appears that this guideline has been met.
Windows and Doors
• Windows and exterior casing should be high quality wood, vinyl clad wood,
vinyl or aluminum. Exterior casing should be 3 '/2 inches to 6 inches wide
around all windows and doors facing rights -of -way Window size on the
second floor should be same proportion but slightly small than the first floor.
Staff Comment: Varying window sizes are proposed. The exterior casing
appears to be narrow and not consistent with this guideline.
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Landscape and Open Space Design
• The rear of the property is encumbered by a coastal primary sand dune that
provides approximately 7,500 square feet of open, unbuildable area.
• A Board of Zoning Appeals variance will be sought for the elimination of the
required Category I landscaping between the fence and the property lines
where required. If fencing is installed within five (5) feet of any right-of-way,
Category I screening is required. On this site, Category I would be required
for approximately the nine (9) feet along Dinwiddie Road and approximately
the 27 feet along Dupont Circle where the proposed fence is planned within
five (5) feet from these rights -of -way. Some landscaping is proposed in these
areas in lieu of the tall growing Category I species
• The Concept Plan identifies 12 trees to be saved, however, it does not
indicate the number of large trees that are proposed for removal. It appears
that many of these trees are actually within the right-of-way, however,
extreme care must be taken if these are to be preserved. The plan depicts 16
new Live Oaks to be installed on the site and evergreen flowering shrubs
serving as foundation landscaping.
Evaluation of Request
Staff cannot support this request. The applicant is requesting to develop this 1.14 acre
site with 27 mid -rise multifamily units at a density of 24 units per acre (the maximum
allowed under the City Zoning Ordinance). The applicant had an approved plan (dated
12-19-98) for a 40 unit condominium prior to the adoption of the Shore Drive Overlay
District; however, this site plan approval has expired and it is not the desire of the
applicant to construct the same project. However, this new proposal is not
recommended for approval.
There are two main areas of concern: (a) project concept and design and (b) Master
Transportation Plan.
Project Concept and Design
The area of the proposed development falls within the "Mixed Zone" as identified in the
Shore Drive Corridor Design Guidelines. This portion of Shore Drive possesses a mix
of uses, primarily single family and duplex units, office and commercial uses. Multiple
family dwellings proposed in the B-4 (SD) Resort Commercial District are permitted as
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Conditional Uses only, thereby requiring review and approval by the City Council.
Certain uses are allowed as "Conditional" when a potential exists for that use to have an
adverse impact on surrounding properties.
The applicant has worked to improve the design of the structure, particularly with
respect to the fagade facing Shore Drive, as well as alleviate concerns expressed by the
neighborhood regarding trash pick-up, vehicular and pedestrian access and tree
preservation. The proposed 27-unit condominium development does meet the density
allowed under the B-4 zoning (albeit the maximum allowed at 36 units per acre) and the
design can be viewed as being somewhat consistent with the specific design guidelines
of the Shore Drive Overlay. However, Staff cannot recommend approval of the proposal
based on specific concerns regarding the height of the structure and the resulting
massiveness of the six (6) story, 111,596 square foot building. Section 221 (1) of the City
of City Zoning Ordinance stipulates that any conditional use "...be compatible with the
neighborhood in which it is to be located, both in terms of existing land uses and
conditions and in terms of proposed land uses and use permitted by right in the area.
Among matters to be considered in this connection are traffic flow and control, access to
and circulation within the property; off-street parking and loading; refuse and service
areas; utilities; screening and buffering; signs, yards and other open spaces; height,
bulk and location of structures; location of proposed open space uses; hours and the
manner of operation; and noise, light, dust, odor, fumes and vibrations."
While the "use" of the property for multi -family dwellings is acceptable, Staff concludes
that the massiveness and height of the structure could negatively impact the
surrounding residential properties to the west. Section 221 requires, among other
things, that the height and the bulk of the proposal be in concert with all surrounding
properties. There are the two (2) and three (3) story residential units to the west. Staff
acknowledges the existence of the 12 story, Chesapeake House high rise adjacent to
the east. However, the massiveness of that development does not appear as imposing
due to the fact that the footprint of the high rise itself does not encompass the majority
of the site as does this project and the Chesapeake House property is larger, thereby
reducing its "presence." In addition, the high rise's above ground 3 story parking deck
provides for some form of a transition from the 12 story high rise to this property in
question. Moreover, the recent changes to the zoning in the Shore Drive Corridor and
the accompanying Shore Drive Design Guidelines are intended to encourage a more
human scale and pedestrian orientation for development along Shore Drive, particularly
along this segment of the roadway. Staff recommends that the applicant apply this
principle and reconsider the concept and design of the project.
Master Transportation Plan
The more serious concern of City staff involves the Master Transportation Plan. The
Master Transportation Plan identifies this portion of Shore Drive as a 150-foot wide
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right-of-way. The existing right-of-way is deficient in this regard. The existing right-of-
way in this location, as measured by staff, is approximately 106 to 110 feet. Staff
estimates that a 20 to 22 foot reservation will be needed on this side of the road at this
location to accomplish the required 150-foot wide right-of-way Shore Drive is planned
to have extensive landscaping and trails, which when combined with future
improvements to the roadway lanes and the replacement of the Lesner Bridge, requires
a wide right-of-way Section 201(b) of the City Zoning Ordinance requires that the yard
setback be measured from the ultimate right-of-way, as expressed in this case by the
reservation line. There is space on the plan to accommodate the reservation; however,
the building setback cannot be met when measured from the reservation line. It is,
therefore, staffs position that regardless of any other issue, the failure of the applicant
to adhere to the City's adopted Master Transportation Plan makes it impossible for staff
to support this request as currently designed.
Staff is not supportive of this request for a Conditional Use Permit and recommends that
the project be denied.
Should the request be approved, the following conditions are encouraged.
Conditions
1. The development of the site (including site layout, ingress/egress, fence location
and materials, etc.) shall substantially conform to the submitted plan entitled, It
Conceptual Site Layout & Landscape Plan of Dupont Circle Shore Drive, Virginia
Beach, VA," prepared by MSA, P.C., dated 2-3-03, which has been exhibited to
the Virginia Beach City Council and is on file in the Planning Department.
2. The building shall be constructed as depicted on the rendering entitled, "Shore
Drive facade at Dupont Circle" prepared by Howard Architectural Presentations,
and the elevations entitled, "Dupont Circle Condominiums pages A.2, and A.7,"
dated March 5, 2003, which have been exhibited to the Virginia Beach City
Council and are on file in the Planning Department.
3. The Landscape Plan to be submitted during final site plan review shall mimic the
plan identified above in Condition 1. Any additional planting shall adhere to the
Landscape Guidelines established in the adopted Shore Drive Corridor Plan,
Appendices. Any trees identified to be saved shall be adequately protected with
chain link fencing surrounding the entire tree at the drip line until construction is
complete. In addition, a certified arborist shall be present at the time of clearing
and shall periodically inspect the site to ensure the health of the preserved trees.
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4. Identification signage shall be monument style and shall adhere to all applicable
Shore Drive Corridor Design Guidelines.
5. The multiple -family dwelling structure shall be limited to three (3) stories in
height.
NOTE: Further conditions may be required during the
administration of applicable City Ordinances. The site plan
submitted with this conditional use permit may require
revision during detailed site plan review to meet all
applicable City Codes. Conditional use permits must be
activated within 12 months of City Council approval. See
Section 220(g) of the City Zoning Ordinance for further
information.
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DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
Applicant's Name- Fort Worth _Development��nc:-----------------------
List All Current
Property Owners: _ Fort Worth Development Inc._
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
Stan Tsen-0,,,_ President & Secretary ------------- ......................
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below. (Attach list
if necessary)
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
If the applicant is not the current owner of the property, complete the Applicant Disclosure
section below:
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below (Attach lest
if necessary)
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
CERTIFICATION: I certify that the information contained herein is true
and accurate.
Fork t:JQrt evel ent, Inc.
Signature �~
Conditional Use Permit Application
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Item # 14
Fort Worth Development, Inc.
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Robert Miller: The next item is Item #14, Fort Worth Development, Inc.
Eddie Bourdon: Thank you for your patience. For the record, my name is Eddie
Bourdon. I'm a Virginia Beach attorney. I'm here this afternoon representing the
applicant Fort Worth Development and Mr. Stan Singh being the principal. First of all, I
want to say the same thing that I've said at every meeting that I've attended and there
have been a number of them on this application and my representation has absolutely
positively nothing to do with the Crab Creek property on the other side of Shore Drive
adjacent to Crab Creek. I don't have anything to do with that proposal in anyway and
this hasn't anything to do with that in anyway. The applicant has owned this piece of
property for almost 20 years. It is a 1.14 acre piece of property on the north side of Shore
Drive. It is adjacent to the Chesapeake House, 13-story condominium high-rise
containing 120 residential units. And, on the other side of that the 356 on the bay or 356
Shore Drive condominium high rise This piece of property is zoned B-4 as you can see
on the map that's up there on the pinpoint. The Chesapeake House is also to the east and
356 on the Bay to the east is zoned B-4 which permits either residential or commercial
development To our west is a piece of property zoned B-2, which is occupied by a
Mexican restaurant and then there's residential also to our west where we have a number
of principal duplex condominiums. We are here today for a Conditional Use Permit
solely because of the adoption of the Shore Drive Overlay District which necessitates a
Conditional Use Permit for multi -family development even though the zoning is identical
to the zoning on the adjacent 120 unit 13-story high rise condominium, also, please note
that no Use Permit or other restrictions are imposed by the Overlay District on
commercial development on B-4 property at all. Also please note, that the B-4 zoning
does not exist to our west and that the Overlay District while it did change some setback
requirements has no affect whatsoever on the height requirements under the B-4 zoning.
When the Overlay was adopted, its goal as stated in the ordinance was to improve the
aesthetics along Shore Drive and to improve the quality of development along the Shore
Drive Corridor. And, frankly since the Overlay's adoption we have seen a raising of the
bar but there has been nothing that has been brought forth nor approved since the
Overlay's adoption that is at the level of quality as this proposal is before you today.
This is a proposal for a 27-unit luxury condominium complex. I've provided to you
copies of the elevation, copy of the site plan and also a number of pictures of the
properties that surround us and other developments along Shore Drive. This 27-unit
proposed luxury condominium, each unit will have 2,200 or more square feet of living
area all with beautiful views of the Bay and many with views of Lynnhaven Inlet. The
proposal as you can see here includes an area in the middle. This area between here
where the building towers to this way and this way, this is the swimming pool/recreation
area, there's a workout room, community meeting room, all in this courtyard area on the
north side of the building. There's a secondary sand dune from the back of the property,
it's an egg shaped piece of property. We stayed off that entirely honoring any
environmental issues, preserving vegetation that is on that sand dune. The Dinwiddie
Road is the street to our west. Dupont Circle, principally unimproved paper street on our
east. Dupont Circle is improved now to this point. As you can see right here off of Shore
Drive and is used as a secondary ingress/egress point to the Chesapeake House You can
see the parking garage on the Chesapeake House which is located here eight feet off of
the nght-of-way line of Dupont Circle, but again, realizing that Dupont Circle as it 1s
improved stops right here. The building as you see in the elevations and that staff has
noted in the write up, it's a very attractively designed building. The architect has done a
real nice Job. What we've got on the first floor area is parking. All the parking is
underneath the building. Parking is enclosed by a brick wall with brick columns and in
between, there are vinyl clad in essence, wrought iron type of fence inserts that is entirely
contained. The second floor of the building is where the HVAC mechanical/electrical, all
of the workings of the building take place. There are also storage units for each of the
27-units within that second floor area. The residential units are all located on the fourth
through sixth floors of the structure. The room here is shown in its design as a means of
bringing down the building so to speak from an architectural perspective. We have
incorporated to the best of our ability to do so, the architectures ability to do so, the
design recommendations on the Shore Drive Design Guidelines, which are voluntary and
I think we have clearly done a good Job of doing that and incorporating those and that list
is referenced on pages 7, 8 & 9 of your write up. If I could get the site plan back up?
Thank you. One of the important aspects of this is that we have used the step up that is
talked about on one of the design cntena. The property line as shown on the site plan is
this dark line that you see here. It is interesting to note that on the west side of the
property the excess right-of-way is not currently improved. It is 40 feet and even more of
this section of excess unimproved right-of-way. Overall, on the east side where there is
already improvement made to the egress/ingress, which is currently used by the
Chesapeake House, the distance here is 25 feet. Our fenced walled parking structure is
30 feet back from our property line. The building itself and it vanes because of the cut
out you see in the architectural elevation, the building itself is 16 on average behind the
wall. So, the building itself and the wall again is just the parking garage wall I'm talking
about is in this area over here 46 feet back from our property line. And, as I noted, from
our property line to existing paved section of the four lane Shore Drive is 40 feet here
narrowing down in this area to 25 feet but we are well back off of Shore Drive as it is
currently improved at four lanes in width. The next -door Chesapeake House, we are in
this area our closest point between 105-110 feet off of the Chesapeake House building
and again, we got the parking garage that wraps all the way around behind our proposed
building. Over to our west, again, are principally duplex condominiums there also well
out here north of our building. The building materials are some of highest quality.
Everything about this has been an effort to make this as high quality development as we
possibly could. The Shore Drive issue is the one that I think has gotten the most attention
and certainly you all talked about it this morning. The Master Transportation Plan has
been cited as a 150-foot wide, eight -lane principal urban arterial highway. That is what is
described in the Master Transportation Plan, an eight -lane principal urban arterial
highway. Ladies and gentlemen, that is not going to happen at least I don't believe in any
of our lifetimes. There is massive community opposition to any such effort to make the
road an eight -lane urban highway. It would wipe out numerous business and residences
all along Shore Drive. I will list for you a number of projects, which have been approved
since that's been on the Master Transportation Plan, which have not been required to
reserve any land via setback or otherwise for an eight -lane 150-foot wide nght-of-way.
A.J. Ventures Car Wash south side Shore Drive to the west of this property, the Three
Ships Landing Condominium.
Ronald Ripley: Mr. Bourdon, can I interrupt you for a second? We've gone through the
10 minutes. I know that. How much more time do you think you need?
Eddie Bourdon: Mr. Ripley, I would expect maybe another ten and I really don't want to
offend anybody but my comments about, you know, Planning Commission meets once a
month to put all the stuff on the record for City Council and I think when you have
applications of this magnitude and this complexity, to suggest that we only have 10
minutes to put the information on the record when the City Council only gives you 10
minutes, I think is not the way the process should work. We have to be able to put
everything on the record here in order for City Council to be able to review a record.
Ronald Ripley: Keep it as short as you can.
Eddie Bourdon: I certainly will but I think there are issues here that I need to put this
information on the record at some point. I certainly can't do it at City Council when you
only have 10 minutes. They have a lot of other matters to deal with. Ainght. The Three
Ships Landing Condominium to our west, the Hale Boatel to our west, the Chesapeake
Bay Realty directly across the street, Duck -Inn, their expansion on the opposite side of
the bridge, which they've built their expansion with setback variances from the existing
nght-of-way. Harborview Condominium, the Long & Foster Real Estate Office, Inlet
Shore Condominiums, again, these are only east side of the bridge. The Lynndune
Condos was recently approved, Westminster Canterbury's expansion didn't require any
kind of reservation, Manner's Mart Condominium, there was a condo approved on the
Hardee's restaurant location site to the east of this. These are just some. We have not
ever to my knowledge required a reservation or a setback to be measured from a
reservation of 100-foot wide urban arterial roadway on Shore Drive since it has been on
the Master Transportation Plan. The existing I I0-foot right-of-way can easily
accommodate widening of Shore Drive to six lanes. And, in fact, back in 1998, my client
at the time that the Overlay was being adopted, before it was adopted, had a site plan
approved for this site for a 40-unit condominium, far, far less quality upon which the City
required that we add an additional lane on Shore Drive because the entrance was going to
be on the west side of Dinwiddie side to the property. And, there was no requirement for
a right-of-way reservation or for a setback based upon the ultimate right-of-way width of
Shore Drive. And, in fact, the parking with that approved site plan would be 16-feet from
our front property line as it exists today, uncovered with a building 30-feet back from our
front property line as it exists today approved site plan. My client chose not to develop
the property at that time because everybody else was doing the same thing. Getting them
in quick before the Overlay went into effect and at that point the civic league indicated
they would have been supportive of his efforts not to develop a 40-unit condominium
with that approved site plan, adding a lane to Shore Drive, an entrance to the project on
the west side of the property versus the east side of the property. Since the 1997
Comprehensive Plan, the Shore Drive folks, committee, have commissioned a study that
was done by Parson and Bnckerhoff. I've given you all a copy. It's not a real good
quality copy in your package. This is the portion of the study that is applicable and I'll
be glad to pass this around. I've also given you a verbatim. It's really a breakdown of
the different segments of the road and the type of right-of-way that's expected in that area
and that is also in your package and a letter from the Shore Drive Advisory Committee
dated January 7, 2001, talking about the issue of Shore Drive. And, it is abundantly clear
and in no way ambiguous that the efforts that looking at Shore Drive have indicated that
in this area the right-of-way maximum right-of-way width would be a 126-feet in width
and if you look at the map and I'm going to pass this one around because it's a lot easier
to see. On this map, the green lines, its on an aerial so it's not totally precise but the
green lines are the property lines and the red lines are the area where additional right-of-
way may be needed to meet that goal. And, almost all of it is on the south side of Shore
Drive. There's a very slight amount, probably not five feet that is looked at as being
necessary on this piece of property only on a part of the piece of this property. And, I'll
pass this around. We have had a number of meetings with the community and had a lot
of back and forth. One of the things that we had originally on our plan was a beach
access, a raised beach access at the end of Dinwiddie, which we thought the community
wanted from the discussions that occurred in 1998. We were told that was not what they
would like to see. And, we will be putting in a raised walkway over the sand dune on our
property to access the beach for the residents of this community, which is a good thing
and everyone agrees is a good thing. We also had on the original plans a fountain and a
lot of heavy landscaping in front. We were asked by the community to consider and have
in fact done so, both the savings to the extent possible of existing live oaks and we've got
about nine of them. We've identified that we would be saving any the planting or the
transplanting of live oaks for our landscaping along Shore Drive, which we have also
agreed to do and which our plan reflects. We had a lot of positive comments from
residents in Ocean Park as well as from residents from the Chesapeake House. The
residents of Chesapeake House have voiced a couple of concerns, which I want to put on
the record as I've told them that I would. One is the parking garage on their property has
got a foundation and simply is just a basic slab foundation on sand. And they're
concerned that when we improve a small portion of Dupont Circle to provide access to
our parking garage that it might have the potential to undermine their foundation. And,
we have agreed to do whatever is required in terns of what's up there now. This area
right here and there is a slope in this area to put in a retaining wall on the property line or
whatever else might be required in order to ensure them that the parking garage is not in
anyway undermined by sand shifting. Secondly, there are some concerns that have been
expressed about the potential that residents leaving this facility desiring to go eastbound
on Shore Drive might cut through the parking lot in front of the Chesapeake House to
obtain access to the stop light at the intersection on the east side of the Chesapeake House
and that is certainly a possibility. What we have indicated with their consent and with the
approval of their residents we will provide to them a manual or automatic gate so that we
will not have our residents going through the parking area to get to the stop light at the
light at the east side of the Chesapeake House.
Ronald Ripley: Did you say you were going to put a gate up?
Eddie Bourdon: Well, it's private property. And, if they desire to do so they can close
off their parking. They can gate it and have it accessed with a code. They don't know if
that is what they want. It might attract that 27 units that will cut through here to get to
the stoplight, we don't believe it to be very significant but we will be good neighbors and
do what they would have us to do to see that doesn't happen. Again, it's their concern.
We don't want to impact anybody with what we're doing and that is something that we
let them know we are willing to do. I don't know if that would be necessary and nor do
they. One of the things that are mentioned in the write up is variances and we have,
because of the egg shape of the property, the only variances that we'll be requesting
along the western side the building meets the setback in its entirety. The only questions
in a couple of areas where we tried to maximize parking because parking is an issue in
this area. So, there are a couple of areas where our fence, brick wall with a fence does
encroach in the setback. There will be landscaping on the outside of the fence and there
will be trees that we are going to preserve but there are a couple of setback variances that
we'll be looking for. We'll be looking for BZA for along here just for the fence. On the
east side, the setback is again is four feet here for the building in this corner and only in
this corner here and up here on these corners. Here we far exceed the setback. Here
again, across from the parking garage with nothing but open area because of the curvature
of the road we're asking not because of not having a curved building, there will be a
slight encroachment in this setback here and also in the area here, as well as the fence for
the parking in that little gray area there. These are very minor encroachments. I've
explained this to the folks of the Chesapeake House and Ocean Park. The building itself,
the only encroachment in the setback again is this corner here and the corner of the
building here and this little area right here. Other than that, the entire building meets or
exceeds the required setback. The staff s opposition I think boils down to the nght-of-
way reservation, which they claim is the reason why all of the meeting of the design
criteria should be overlooked or ignored. We believe that we are in that instance being
treated differently than anyone else has been treated. This is not needed nor to put a
bridge over Lynnhaven Inlet. The other issue that is raised is the height of the building.
We believe this is absolutely a perfect transition downward from the thirteen story high
rise to our east to the Mexican restaurant and the duplex condominiums to our west. We
only cover 50 percent of this lot not maximizing lot coverage by any stretch. We are
using the part of the property that is developable by staying off the sand dunes. And,
most importantly we're not doing the same old, same old. We're doing a high quality
development. We're doing a development at a density that the Overlay District
mandates, a lesser density, which was the case before the Overlay District, with the exact
same zoning as the properties to our east I appreciate your indulgence in the length of
the presentation.
Ronald Ripley: Questions of Mr. Bourdon? Will Din.
William Din: Eddie.
Eddie Bourdon: Yes sir
William Din: Looking at your Parsons Bnckerhoff site plan that you passed around,
there is a red line on that piece of property. What does that red line designate?
Eddie Bourdon: That red line on our property would designate the area of at 126-foot
right-of-way and again, it's not real precise. But that would be potentially required from
this piece of property. And, most of the 126-foot addition is on the other side.
William Din: So, if I'm looking at this map, this site plan correctly, what it's saying is
that the four -lanes of Shore Drive could be accommodated with the exception of that little
red line area.
Eddie Bourdon: Six lanes.
William Din: Six lanes.
Eddie Bourdon: Six lanes. Four lanes are already accommodated.
William Din: Okay.
Eddie Bourdon: And with our approved site plan pre -overlay, we have three lanes on our
side already on there with no additional nght-of-way.
William Din: Where would that red line come on this current site plan?
Eddie Bourdon: Again, it's not the scale. So, if you simply look at what's there now at
110, an additional would be 16 feet to get to a 126 and you look at the proportion of the
red line on the south side versus north side, it appears to us that you're talking about
anywhere from down to less than a foot to in this area, possibly as much as four or five
feet. That's it. If you look at the proportion on the opposite side and you look at what's
required 126-feet, on the opposite side there's almost a significant amount of distance
between the red line and the gray line versus what you see on the north side. You see
almost no separation here. You see a significant separation there and the total is 16 feet
to get from 110 to 126.
William Din: Is this alternative "A" the preferred alternative for the six lanes?
Eddie Bourdon: Well, it's my understanding that it is. It's my understanding that the
community doesn't want to see six lanes either.
William Din: Well, I'm just assuming that if we go to six lanes what alternative would
be to looking at?
Eddie Bourdon. That's my understanding as the alternative.
William Din: Are there other alternatives?
Eddie Bourdon: It's consistent with what Chairman Ripley was saying in your informal
session this morning that because of the curviture of the road and the alignments that
were looked at, the majority of the land if it was ever to be taken to widen the road to six
lanes would come off the south side and not off the north side.
William Din: Okay. So, you also mentioned that all these other projects did not require
reservations?
Eddie Bourdon: They did not require.
William Din: A 150-foot reservation off the centerline.
Eddie Bourdon: That's exactly right. They did not require that, they did not require that
their setbacks be measured from that alternate nght-of-way with that other 150-feet.
William Din: To tell you the truth, I think this is the first time that I've heard this come
up in several of these. Mr. Scott, is that accurate?
Robert Scott: I'm not ready to agree with that statement. I'll listen to Mr. Bourdon and
his arguments. I'll look at his information but I'm not ready to agree with it right now.
Eddie Bourdon: I got a number of the one's I referenced not all of them. The write up is
from the Planning staff that was presented to you all at the Planning Commission. I did
not make copies of all of them but I will be happy to provide them. And, I've represented
quite a number of them including the Duck -Inn site where not only was the buildings not
with the setback on the reservation but the setback from the current property line was
approved.
Ronald Ripley: Any other comments? I have a question. Mr. Bourdon, could the
building be moved to the north, any at all?
Eddie Bourdon: Not without encroaching upon that secondary dune which we had gone
to great lengths to avoid. The answer would be if the building had to be shifted to the
north the building in all likelihood have to be reduced in terms of its footprint. I don't
believe there is anyway that we could or would we want to encroach upon the dune in
spite of the fact that as you can see it's isolated because everything is developed to our
east and west, wraps all the way around it. But, we have stayed off the sand dune bottom
line. And, we knew that would be a sensitive subject and we didn't want to deal with that
sensitivity.
Ronald Ripley: Alright and my second question has to deal with along the right-of-way,
in the Shore Drive Plan and the significant there are bike paths and I don't know if there
are any bike paths on this side of the road. I think there would definitely be sidewalks,
definitely there would be edging that would be put in to the roadway. That plan doesn't
indicate. It just simply indicates that it bleeds out onto the existing pavement.
Eddie Bourdon: Any improvements like sidewalks or bike paths or anything that is
required in this area, again, it's a very extensive area can be provided. In fact, there's
enough room here to put another lane of traffic and still put bike paths and sidewalks.
We don't have any problem at all with putting in the required improvements in front of
the building in the Shore Drive right-of-way and in the 30-feet of area that is between our
wall where our parking is and our property line.
Ronald Ripley: And that would comply with the Shore Drive Plan?
Eddie Bourdon: Ample room to do anything that's required of the Shore Drive plan if
you put another lane of traffic in here, it might be required to do some of those
improvements on our property. And frankly, the sidewalk, I believe we could
accommodate that as well. The point is if it were needed we certainly wouldn't have no
aversions to be having the sidewalk meander across our property. With the area here now
it takes 12 feet basically, 12-15 feet to put another lane in. And, we got 40 feet here of
right-of-way down to 25 feet here. There's plenty of room to put a right-of-way in it and
put other improvements in before you get to our property line.
Ronald Ripley: How does the public access this building if you don't drive up it?
Where's the entrance?
Eddie Bourdon: The entrance will be over on the right side. There's also planned to be
an entrance over on the west side. I read in here but where they want an entrance in the
front. I'm quite comfortable that if that was something that was of vital importance we
could rearrange so there would also be an entrance in the front. But, realizing that it's an
entrance to the parking garage for parking area. And, the actual entrance of the building,
are the stairs and the elevators underneath the building. I'm not really sure that really
accomplishes anything. But, I'm not an architect and I don't think that and that's
(inaudible). I don't think it's noted as a major concern but it's certainly something that it
was deemed to be important enough we could look at trying to work with staff on how to
best provide the pedestrian access.
Ronald Ripley: So all the parking is underneath.
Eddie Bourdon: All of it is enclosed.
Ronald Ripley: So there is no surface parking at all outside?
Eddie Bourdon: That's right. It's all under the building all enclosed.
Ronald Ripley: All visitors are coming there Everybody would come in. Is it a carded
system?
Eddie Bourdon: It would be secured system, a carded system or a code system.
Ronald Ripley: So if you're a guest coming there and you don't have a code or a card,
how do you get in?
Eddie Bourdon: You have the resident whom you are coming to visit will have to make
arrangements either you know the code or they will have to meet you and let you in. We
haven't got into the detail on how precisely that will be done. Will has another question.
William Din: Concerning the sand dunes here, I know you set your building back away
from this sand dune, is that a voluntary thing or is that a requirement that you don't
encroach on those standards?
Eddie Bourdon: There are a couple of issues. It's an interesting question. One issue is
an old deed to the property going back decades, there is a statement basically a deed
restriction that the owner is not to encroach into the dune. That can only be enforced by
private enforcement by the people who put that in their deed going back to change the
title. It appears to me to be a secondary dune but there are protections in our Coastal
Primary Sand Dune Protection Act and modifications to it that there it is conceivable that
you can encroach in it. But, it's lust not worth the arguments with the neighborhood. It's
not worth the aggravation. We said repeatedly were not intending to go into the dune.
William Din: Well, the reason I mentioned it, the parking garage on the east side and the
condos on the west side must have cut through these same dunes. Correct?
Eddie Bourdon: Yes. The one's on the west side before it was protected, it may be now.
Those on the east were done before as a matter of fact I'm sure before there was a Coastal
Primary Sand Dune Protection Act. I think they would have not been able to build that
today or frankly probably within the last 15 years.
William Din: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. We have opposition or people in support. Who do we have? I'm
sorry, Kathy Katsias.
Kathy Katsias: Mr. Bourdon, getting back to the parking. I see that you have 54 spaces
that are required and you provided 60.
Eddie Bourdon: Yes ma'am.
Kathy Katsias: Being there are 27 apartments and assuming that each resident has two
cars that gives you 54 parking spaces which leaves only six for visitors.
Eddie Bourdon: Yes ma'am.
Kathy Katsias: Is that enough?
Eddie Bourdon: We think it's ample. We don't expect that all of the residents are going
to have two cars. We also don't believe that all of the these units will be occupied 365
days of the year given the nature of this type of property and the price range. We're
talking about $500,000 and up for units. We believe there will be a number of units that
will be occupied by folks for part of the year and not for other parts of the year.
Kathy Katsias: Let's say they are. Are six spaces enough for 24 residents? I mean
you're limiting the apartment dwellers by how many guests that they can have.
Eddie Bourdon: We meet the requirements of the ordinance and again, given the nature
of the site and that's really we can meet the requirements without the variances for the
wall. The reason for the wall in the parking structure having these slight encroachments
is so that we can maximize the number of spaces that we can get on the property and 60
is all that we can get on the property within the confines and we have shown with this
plan. We believe it will be sufficient but only time will tell but in other experiences
along this area of Chesapeake House and others which aren't as high quality but they are
still nice developments. Their lots are not full because again, you don't have people
living in there 365 days a year in most cases.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Charlie Salle'.
Charlie Salle': I'm trying to get my mind straight about this right-of-way. The
alternative Plan "A" that you presented us with, does that show a 120-feet open nght-of-
way?
Eddie Bourdon: 126 is what I believe it shows Mr. Salle'.
Charlie Salle': I can't read what you've written.
Eddie Bourdon: I got it based on and the other thing I gave was it was an actual verbatim
which is very helpful and if you look at the second page of that verbatim, it goes along
with that study. It's actually page 15 but it's the second page of the three -page handout
that's included in your blue folder. It talks about East Stratford Road to the Lesner
Bridge, second page, bottom talks about the improvements which consisted of a 20-foot
landscape median, two lane traffic capacity in each direction Expandable to three, ten -
foot multi -purpose trail on the south side and brand new utilities, minimum right-of-way
available and needed is a 126-feet. And that is what I was referring too.
Ronald Ripley: This particular document was done prior to the large scale. So this is sort
of an estimate and that's good work. The aerial is a little more accurate but how wide it
is, I can't tell you.
Eddie Bourdon: I'm making the presumption that it's consistent to what's here and what
is there. I know it's not a 150 feet.
Charlie Salle': And that was alternative "A". Are there other alternatives? I didn't look
through the whole report?
Eddie Bourdon: I don't think.
Ronald Ripley: You can't read it. It's such small scale. But it looks to be the same.
Eddie Bourdon: It looked to be same to me as well. I couldn't tell any distinction.
Charlie Salle': I guess in the report does it have any mention as to the present 150-foot
right-of-way requirement is needed?
Eddie Bourdon: The letter from Bob Stanton and I also gave you a copy of the Shore
Drive Advisory Committee is just a small piece of the discussion. And, I wasn't involved
directly but I know from all the people I talked to in the area, there is this idea that
reducing that down might have some impact on the ultimate funding or some issue with
the bridge expansion but the community has said unequivently they don't want that. I
know that's their position up and down Shore Drive. And, the City staff I think is kind of
committed that's really that something they think is going to be seen either but as Mr.
Scott said this morning they don't want to foreclose that but everyone has recognized that
for that to happen businesses and homes all up and down Shore Drive are going to be
wiped out. And, to suggest that this small piece of property, one of the last infill pieces
should be the only one that's required to adhere is that is confiscatory and frankly, I think
it's beyond unreasonable.
Charlie Salle'. I can't remember specific projects but I think we adhered to it in the past.
Eddie Bourdon: 150?
Charlie Salle': Yeah. I'm sure we have made reference to the ultimate right-of-way.
Eddie Bourdon: Oh there's reference in all these to it. But then the plans have all been
approved without setbacks from it. None.
Charlie Salle': My next question is you made some comments. We have some concerns
as to where the bridge may ultimately, Lesner Bridge be relocated as in issue as to
whether or not that right-of-way may be required here where it may not be required
somewhere else because of the necessity with relocating that bridge. What have you
drawn from the conclusion of the study?
Eddie Bourdon: From the study, what is required on alternative "A" is what will suffice,
more than suffice for what they have recommended for this right-of-way to be and my
understanding is that it accommodates the additional bridge.
Charlie Salle': Are there other alternatives that show that bridge moving further north
which would require that right-of-way to move?
Eddie Bourdon: None that I have seen. No sir.
Ronald Ripley- Okay.
Robert Miller- Mr. Charles Cullum.
Charles Cullum: Good afternoon. I'm Charles Cullum. I'm a resident of the Chesapeake
House on the Bay, which is next door to the proposed project. And, I support it as it is
presented to the Committee, as do many of the residents of the Chesapeake House who
are not here. The vacant lot next door has been an eyesore, which has been used as a
trash dump, parking for local restaurants and actually a dark private place for young
people sometimes. As Mr. Bourdon has said, the developer has offered to meet our
concerns of the Chesapeake House regarding this project. And, I feel that it is an upscale
condominium, which will contribute to the increase in values in Chesapeake House and
to the City of Virginia Beach tax basis. And, I urge you approve this request as
submitted. Thank you.
Ronald Ripley. Thank you very much. Any questions? Thank you.
Robert Miller: Tim Solanic.
Tim Solanic: It's Solanic. But just call me early for dinner and that's even better. I
appreciate not having to follow Ed. He's amazing. Can I have extra time as well? I'm a
representative of Virginia Beach Ocean Park Civic League. I'm the Vice President.
Ronald Ripley: Do you need a lot of extra time?
Tim Solanic: No where near the time that Ed had because I had hoped that we wouldn't
have had that kind of discussion here. We wouldn't have needed it. We're in the process
of discussing the whole project as he mentioned that they saved a bunch of trees and
stuff. We were still under the assumption, which you can assume in any kind of
discussions that we were still talking.
Ronald Ripley: Well.
Tim Solanic: And we're still talking. We just haven't come together on a lot of issues
yet. And, there has been some level of miscommunication and we didn't want to waste
your time having him have to talk as long as he did and having me talk as long as I do
because it is a good project. It's not just quite what we would love to see.
Ronald Ripley: We compromised our time a little bit with him by all means if you need a
little extra time, we'll work with you.
Tim Solanic: Great. I appreciate that. This is a letter from a David Webster who's a
member of Ocean Park Civic League who can't be here. Is this the conceptual site plan?
Great. First I wanted to start off thanking you for the extra time. And to make it clear
what I said about apologizing for time being spent here, that's not on behalf of Ocean
Park Civic League. I apologize for having to be here because I thought we were still, like
I said communicating very well together. We had several meetings. We walked the
property a couple of times. They marked a few live oaks somewhere between three and
thirteen. I heard the number of nine today. On the lot, live oaks, four lanes Shore Drive,
four lanes Lesner Bridge there.
Ronald Ripley: We know.
Tim Solanic: Okay. That's still part of the mix. So that's from my personal perspective.
So, you'll hear some things today from other people who could imply that they're from a
certain organization or they could be speaking on behalf of themselves as an individual.
That was my individual part. This is on behalf of Ocean Park Civic League. On May 8th,
Mr. Bourdon and Mr. Curfman made a presentation, which we have seen before and I
notice that you're looking at your watch and I'll be as quick as I can.
Ronald Ripley: It's a bad habit.
Tim Solanic: On May 8th, we made a motion and it was passed unanimously that we
request the Board to deny the Conditional Use Permit dated May 8th, 2003 for the multi-
family dwellings for the following reasons. Like I said, this is on behalf of Ocean Park
Civic League, Chesapeake House has a number of members. Chesapeake House
members and other communities or members of Ocean Park Civic League and this was at
an official meeting. The first section was the plans do not conform to Carolyn Smith's
recommendations. I don't need to say anything about the four-lane/six lane 150 foot
whatever. We've come down here in busloads to help support them not having the
setback. That was my personal. Number two of this motion that was passed
unanimously on May 8th, we object to any variances. On a personal note, that's the
variances that will increase the density on Shore Drive, which could cause a tipping point
for that six -lane nightmare. Anyway, number three the concerns of the residents of the
Chesapeake House have concerning the excavation of this property and the potential for
additional vehicular traffic through their parking lot has not been addressed to their
satisfaction. And number four, we would prefer the City to reconsider the purchase of
this property. That falls into the Open Space Plan from the year 2000. Money is very
tight. There was $50 million in there. There was 80 acres pointed out that needed to be
purchased from various studies up in the Shore Drive community and $0 have been spent
and zero property has been purchased and this was one of the properties that was on the
list.
Ronald Ripley: But you know, we're dealing with the land use recommendations.
Tim Solanic: Right.
Ronald Ripley: We have no authority to buy real estate.
Tim Solanic: I understand. I'm just getting that on the record.
Ronald Ripley: Talk to Council about that.
Tim Solanic: I'm getting that on the record like Bourdon mentioned.
Ronald Ripley: Elements.
Tim Solanic: There are 38 signatures in a brief amount of time representing that
particular motion for those four points. You deny the Conditional Use Permit. Like I
said I apologize again for having to do this because we wanted to come. This is the only
copy, if you would like additional copies of all 38 people. I guess I'm going to jump
around a little bit here. This morning Mr. Scott said as you remember that he hopes he
never sees Shore Drive go to six lanes. That goes directly to not allowing variances or
Conditional Use Permits, which would increase the density. The hardship that is
mentioned and I don't know what type of analogy I can make but I'm personally against
any kind of condemnation or anything like that, which is obviously is not the case for this
property. But, this private property rights and they certainly can build what they want
within the guidelines of variances, Conditional Use Permits and the laws. The hardships,
I think its in Section 9.3 under Variances that, "personal or self inflicted hardships shall
be considered as grounds for the issuance of a variance." When the property was
purchased it had the sand dunes. The covenant is known about on the sand dunes. It was
that shape. The heights, the buildings to the west, which is another major concern for the
civic league and the architectural interest and the bulkiness from Section 221 from
Carolyn's report was there. So, the hardship of the height, the size of the lot, the sand
dune, the shape and everything, I mean that is how the lot was purchased. So, that is
pretty much self-inflicted. Under Section A, the strict application of the ordinance will
produce undue hardship. Like I said, the dune restriction was on the property when it
was purchased. Section B, the authorization of the variance will not be a substantial
detriment to the adjacent property and the character of the neighborhood will not be
adversely affected. Directly to the west, right here there are several three-story condos.
Over here is the 13-story Chesapeake House and if you want a tour of the property, we
can certainly do so right now or anytime you want too. The bulkiness and the size of this
structure really overwhelm the three-story homes that are to the west. And, that's our
biggest issue is basically the height of this project. Another huge issue for us which
would be a great bonus is the live oaks that have saved are fantastic because originally
they were saving zero and planting none, now they're saving some, where between three
and thirteen and today nine. There's a live oak that's approximately this big. No
kidding. That sprawls out this far. It's about 300 years old. I'm not an arbonst. I'm not
exactly sure of the age. It's somewhere between 200-300 years old. Like I said it's
approximately right here. It could be worked out to save that. We would have busloads
of people here in support of that kind of project. It's a signature plant. It's the respect of
the living organism that's been here to say everything. Tree hugger or whatever you
happen to be, the tree hugging capitalist Who reads that silly stuff that's written in the
paper and I'm not in the environmental fringe and I'm not anti -development. No one's
really anti -development up in Shore Drive, short of the six lanes So, in conclusion, we
agree, like I said with the Section 221 of the hardship, is basically self-inflicted and the
bulkiness and the height of the structure overwhelms the architecture and design of those
homes west of the property.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Any questions? I've got a question. It came to me as you were
speaking about the height and the bulkiness part of it and what made me think of this and
you know there was an application on the other side of the bridge that went through
Planning and went through Council and was very contested, and the residents next to that
were very upset over losing view and things like that. That was their real concern. In
this instance, is anybody losing any views? I'm just trying to think about the site relative
to the buildings that are on the ground already. I've walked this myself and walked
around the property and I'm trying to think.
Tim Solanic: Ed, would you agree that six stones can be about here, I guess? Do you
agree with that? The view would basically be out the front door of their porches. There's
a beach house right here. This is on Seagull Walk and then there's three units right here.
So, there's 1-2-3-4-5.
Ronald Ripley: Put the site plan back up if you all would please. Those houses on the
other side of the road, that's what struck me.
Tim Solanic: Right here.
Ronald Ripley: Yeah.
Tim Solanic: Well, the view that they lose. This is their front yard. The view they lose is
six story structure right in front of their house.
Ronald Ripley: They may be impacted but they're across the street right?
Tim Solaruc: Have you been on Dinwiddie Road?
Ronald Ripley: Oh yeah, I sure have. I was there yesterday walking around the property
looking at it.
Tim Solanic: So you it's like Dinwiddie Alley. If people would parallel park on both
sides, you could not drive down there.
Ronald Ripley: You need to speak here because the TV can't pick that up.
Tim Solanic: If people were to parallel park on both sides of that street you could not
drive down that street.
Ronald Ripley: It's narrow. I agree
Tim Solanic: Right.
Ronald Ripley: Okay, you answered by question. Thank you.
Tim Solanic: Then when you're about the variances and stuff, it's true that the setting
back the building are getting a fenced variance. You know that's great but they want to
shift the building back. Unfortunately, and it goes back to somewhat which we had
discussions about that and apparently we weren't that clear but again this goes back to
and it's their private property. They can do whatever they want within the law and the
variance and Conditional Use Permits and stuff but that particular 300-year old tree and
you happen to see it. It might look kind of scruffy right now because it hasn't been
pruned or anything. It's sort of sprawling and laying there. That's a large signature issue
as well. But the bulkiness of that building in front of the residents of those three-story
homes right there is pretty overwhelming.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Thank you.
Tim Solanic: Any other questions?
Ronald Ripley: Do you have a question Will?
William Din Just one comment. I don't think we're approving any variances here. This
is a Conditional Use Permit and the variances you're talking about are not the hardship
and things are not part of this application.
Tim Solanic: Right. I understand.
William Din. I just wanted to make sure. You were making comment that there were no
hardships here. We're not trying to prove any hardships.
Tim Solanic- Right. Planting a lot of seeds and continuously try to water them.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Thank you very much.
Robert Miller: The next speaker is Tracy Ester.
Tracy Estep: Good afternoon. Chairman and members of the Planning Commission. My
name is Tracy Estep and I reside in the Cape Story by the Sea neighborhood. I was
disappointed to see the Conditional Use Permit signs appear on the Dinwiddie property.
know that this property has been slated for the possible purchase under the 2000
Outdoors Plan. The green space along Shore Drive is rapidly disappearing and the
Dinwiddie property is home to several large oak trees, one of which Tim was discussing
is over 200 years old tree. I have a picture of it if you all would like to view it. This is
when the property was kept up and about 20 years ago the tree looked like this before.
And, this property is very unique to the City because it's the last dune on the Bay side
west of the Lesner Bridge. And, if the property does have to be developed I would just
hope that the trees could really be given an issue of saving some. I know they have on the
site plan there are trees they are trying to save but most of those trees are very small
seedlings that are around there. And, I have lived here my entire life and I have watched
the trees disappear and just all the condos. I drive that Shore Drive five times a day. And
it's just condo, condo, condo. And, I'm not opposed to the condos but just please the
green trees and not the small K-mart trees that developers put back for their landscaping.
Just something of substance that looks like live oaks and live oaks are very unique to our
area and they really, really are losing them rapidly. And, thank you very much.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you very much. Any questions? Yes Kathy.
Kathy Katsias: I know being on the Shore Drive Council we're trying to preserve a lot of
these oak trees. Where actually is that tree?
Tracy Estep: This tree is right here and I should use the pointer, it's right here. To me
it's the right-of-way is right here. It's this large tree. The nght-of-way is close. It seems
like its only ten feet away. If the building wasn't so large, maybe it could fit it in
somehow. But, it's right here.
Robert Miller: The next speaker is Wade Ogg.
Wade Ogg: Good afternoon. I'm Wade Ogg. I'm a resident of the Chesapeake House,
the mammoth building to the right, which has a great view of our beautiful bay in our
City. I'm here today not representing myself but I am representing the Board of
Directors for the Chesapeake House. You have been faxed this letter. I'd like it to go on
record please. There are two issues regarding this proposed development that are direct
concerns to the Board of Directors of the Chesapeake House on the Bay. The first one is
necessitated by excavation and regrading the portion of the eastern boundary of the
Dupont Circle, the undeveloped street. Where the development will share a common
entry off of Shore Drive. Due to the fact that the parking garage of the Chesapeake
House on the Bay is built on pilings that are approximately two feet deep and any
displacement of soil, especially at the north end of the post driveway could cause major
problems to the Chesapeake House parking garage and lot. This excavation and
regrading will require some kind of retaining wall to ensure that no displacement of the
Chesapeake House property occurs. The second area of concern and of major concern is
the potential and I think they were going light, the way I am speaking now with the word
potential because anybody that has tried to get out from that side to go west would have
to go down and make a u-turn across, hopefullyjust two lanes of traffic to go back the
other way. If I lived in that place and was going east there's no dirt that I would go
through (inaudible). To me, personally I'm speaking now and what's more than a
potential. For traffic cutting through the front parking lot of the Chesapeake House to
access the traffic light at the corner of Shore Drive and Stratford Road. The drive is a
private one for use of the Chesapeake House residents only. There would be a need to
restrict the traffic, and something that would be acceptable for the residents of
Chesapeake House and this was submitted by the Board. And, what we're asking is if
this permit is allowed we request that satisfying these concerns be a condition of the
permit. Thank you very much.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you very much.
Robert Miller: Jack Bryan.
Jack Bryan: Good afternoon. I was passed a note here. I'm with Baylake Pines Civic
League and I was also passed a note and was able to confirm this that the Board of
Directors of Chesapeake House has not endorsed this project. The gentleman who passed
me this note has some difficult speaking.
Wade Ogg: The statement that I just read is the statement that the Board of Directors
have taken towards this whole project.
Jack Bryan: And just to clarify the issue that was passed to me. I did want to relay that
to my knowledge. This is a fact. And, I don't want to be in opposition to another group.
However, let me go forward with my statement. I represent Baylake Pines Civic League.
That's one of the first planning communities in the City of Virginia Beach. Bayside
Borough, Princess Anne County and I represent 325 single-family residences. On
Monday, May 121h, our Board met to reaffirm that we are on record encouraging the City
Council and the Open Space Committee with letters to recognize this property as open
space. It's a direction directly in contrast to the proposed development. The proposed
development does not fit within Baylake Pines vision of our Shore Drive community
since we adhere to the respect of side lot and frontage setbacks. The City has recently
experienced this at the Baylake Road in the Shore Drive area. In trying to place a traffic
light there. Our community had to work with the City to keep trees from being cut down
and I see it the same as having a building put up where you're widening of Shore Drive
or are widening of Shore Drive eventually when our grandchildren do, is going to have to
reacquire this property and possibly tear off the front of the garage roof. In today's
meeting this was revealed to me in your report before the Planning Commission that is a
primary coastal sand dune. And, at the foot of the pool or the primary coastal sand dune
ends and the pool begins. The dune top is 20 feet above sea level. The pool is six or
seven feet above sea level. Could you bring up the next slide sir in sequence? That one.
I think all of you have a plan like this? And, it shows a 20-foot sand dune, an 18-foot
sand dune and it's designated in your report as a primary coastal sand dune. Let me stick
to my plan so I don't start babbling on here.
Ronald Ripley: Mr. Bryan also, your already out of time. We worked with the Ocean
Park Civic League with more time so if you can sort of wrap it up.
Jack Bryan: I will wrap it up sir. Yes.
Ronald Ripley: Please.
Jack Bryan: The construction staging area will place materials and equipment in the dune
or in the City right-of-way. They have to identify the staging area and methods of
construction in their site plan and I would like Mr. Bourdon to provide me, and this group
with that information here today. I would also like him to explain how, which is new to
me, how they would build a bulkhead through that dune line. It would be required to put
a bulkhead between those two properties. Which property line was he refemng too?
And, whose property would he be placing that bulkhead an in order to make promises to
the Chesapeake House. I'm not sure why that promise was placed here before you and
I'm not sure what property he's referring too. I think if your using that as your
consideration, it would be inappropriate because he did not designate it in this plan.
Ronald Ripley: He can address at the rebuttal.
Jack Bryan: Yes sir I'm asking that it be addressed.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you.
Jack Bryan: I came here to address public facilities because our neighborhood also relies
on this and I grew up in Ocean Park. I think that the plan has already addressed the fact
the pump stations will have to be improved and upgraded. Recently the pump station at
Ocean Park on that side of the road was upgraded in order to accommodate the Three
Ships Inn property. And, I'm not sure and I would like the City Planner and Mr. Bourdon
to address what upgrades are required, whether not a new facility would have to be put in
place.
Ronald Ripley: They'll determine that at site plan approval. Public Utilities will
measure how many flows are there and whether you can even take this capacity.
Jack Bryan: But sir, it's addressed in your report to you as an issue to consider. If your
using that in your consideration, I would ask that you ask that same question because the
facilities will have an effect on what occurs across the site plan.
Ronald Ripley: But the reality.
Jack Bryan: Continuing on let me finish.
Ronald Ripley: Hold on. The reality is what will happen they'll determine that. The
engineers will determine if along with the City engineers. If there's not enough flows,
you can't even put half the units in there if he doesn't have the flows. And it doesn't
upgrade it so it meets the criteria to handle everybody in the area, it's in there and I know,
but really land use is really more concerning to us at this point, but go ahead, proceed.
Jack Bryan: That may be part of your concern but part of your consideration is the
information in this packet.
Ronald Ripley- It is
Jack Bryan: And it is placing this packet as an item by the City saying that upgrades will
be required. That capacity if you're using that as your criteria, which I believe you are.
It wouldn't be in there for that purpose otherwise. I'm providing you with more
information.
Ronald Ripley: Okay, fine. Proceed.
Jack Bryan: We at Baylake find suit that the developer's plan is too severe and infringing
on the many items within your purview. We encourage the property owners and builder
to revisit the plan to meet more desirable and palatable venue. Respectfully we defer
your decision.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you very much. Any questions9
Robert Miller: Next speaker is William Hook.
William Hook: Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, thank you for allowing me to
speak. My name is William Hook and I've been involved with the Ocean Park Civic
League for well over 20 years now.
Ronald Ripley Past Mayor up there I think.
William Hook. What's that?
Ronald Ripley: You're the past Mayor I think.
William Hook: Well, yeah. Well my granddaddy was a designer of the engineering that
planned Ocean Park so I'm calling myself the Grandfather clause.
Ronald Ripley: There you go. Good to see you Mr. Hook.
William Hook: Thank you. Mr. Dick Browner came to our community a long time ago
and he had a proposal from Mr. Shifflett with the Virginia Beach Convention Center with
a plan to build a pretty large hotel there. And, Dick had helped us in the past with our
conflict with Ed Lindsley property and so forth, which the City prevailed. And, we felt
you know, he was a very good friend of the community and when he came to us with this
project we listened to him and we did note that we might owe him some indebtedness but
this is not the way we way want to pay him back. And because of the dune covenant then
he backed off real quick. And that land has been idle ever since. And, I would say well
over 10 years. I'm not sure about my time line. Well, a few years later, developers came
to us and they wanted adjoin the Newton property and the Three Ships Inn property.
And, they wanted to put six very large high-rise condominiums there. And, our
community did a lot of research and people in the community find the developer that
would come in and could make a profit with single-family dwellings. So, that's what
happened if you notice. People still right below there still close together but given the
alternative I think Shore Drive is much better off Urban Land Institute has
recommended for Shore Drive more open space, less density. And they even suggested
the controversial subject of down zoning that some localities have actually done.
Although, I don't know how feasible that would be along Shore Drive The
Comprehensive Plan has called for 80-acres of open space and we don't have any. And,
this piece of property and I know this is irrelevant but it would be a crown jewel to our
nice public beach. The public beach in an area behind this proposed project will be a sun
block. So, quite frankly we beseech you to help us keep condo canyon on the east side of
Lynnhaven River. Thank you very much.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you. I think that's all the speakers that have signed up. Mr.
Bourdon, would you like to readdress us?
Eddie Bourdon: I would like the opportunity. Thank you very much Mr. Chairman.
First of all, the Shore Drive Overlay District's adoption is in fact and was in fact as it
applies to multi -family and only multi -family on B-4 zoned property be a down zoning
and that is actually what has happened. And, the improved site plan that my client had on
this property chose not to go forward with developing 40 units. He could not do today
other than try to assert that the site plan is still legally binding but it is nothing but a down
zoning. However, what we've gotten in return is a far, far, far greater quality
development proposal than you would have had then and frankly, I think then anything
we've seen. So, this is an example of how down zoning has worked and will work. The
Three Ships Inn property that Mr. Hook referenced is not nor has it ever been zoned B-4.
And, someone would argue and I would be one, that this would be a far more attractive
project or product than that. And the Three Ships Inn property is not directly adjacent to
a 13-story, 120-unit high-rise that is also zoned B-4. The upgrades that the gentleman
from Baylake Pines talked about that may be needed to the pump stations are done at the
developer's expense. And, that's all part of the construction plan and engineering of the
project, which does not take place at this point. It takes place after the Use Permit is
approved The Ocean Park Civic League meeting, the second meeting that we had with
Ocean Park, was attended by 41 people, and a number of them who live in the
Chesapeake House and there are, including the Chesapeake House, well over 450
residents of Ocean Park who represent less 10 percent of the residents that were at that
meeting. And frankly, we've had great communications with Tim and Darryl and Billy
Sykes who's not here today. And, we believe and what I think you heard today for the
most part we've had a lot of positives from them but something happened at that meeting.
I'm not going to go into. You got a letter from Mr. Webster who's a former employee of
my client and I'm not going to rebut that today. Hopefully he will come to the City
Council meeting. The Baylake Pines Civic League, we've never spoke to and their
position apparently is that the City should buy it. I respect that part of their position,
similarly the position of anyone who says they ought to buy it. But, the other arguments
in my opinion, they don't have any other than we want to make it difficult to develop so
that maybe the City can buy it at a cheaper price. Our previous approved plan would
have widened Dinwiddie Road and access would have been from Dinwiddie Road. No
trees would have been saved. The trees that we are saving are not seedlings. They are
good sized trees and we are going to try and transplant trees that are on the site now to
the front of the site only live oaks will be used other than the landscaping directly in front
of the wall. The argument that was put forth that the Chesapeake House dwarfs the three-
story buildings to our west is precisely why we need a building that is an appropriate step
down. An appropriate transition in terms of size but it clearly is a step up in terms of
quality and that's what this represents, a tremendous step up in terms of quality. A half
million dollars or more will be the selling price of each of these units. A CUP, a
Conditional Use Permit does not amount to and is not an increase in density. We are
asking for a Use Permit for the decreased density that the Overlay imposed. Bottom line,
the arguments against are basically, you know, the City should buy it. So, I'm not going
to argue with anybody's argument in that regard but unless there's a money pit out there,
I don't think the City can afford to buy this piece of property and maybe they can afford
to buy some of the Crab Creek property across the way. But, this property is going to be
developed and we believe we have provided to this Commission and to the City a very
wonderful plan for it's development and a quality plan that exceeds anything that has
been placed on the table prior to today. I'll be happy to answer any questions if I failed
to answer anything that was brought up by the opposition I don't know what mis-
communication reference that Tim made. We've been communicating with him, Billy
Sykes and we'll continue to communicate with the civic league and with the Chesapeake
House folks who we believe and the mention that was made, and if you've been to the
property. This is the parking garage. This 2s Dupont Circle improved to here now. We'll
be extending it to here. There is a slope here and the concern of the Chesapeake House is
in improving the public right-of-way if we don't do something to shore up this slope and
there is a slope there. It's not a severe slope but there's definitely a slope there, but there
could be shifting of the sand underneath this corner of the parking garage. There is no
sand dune here. It has nothing to do with any sand dune. But, it's all grass and what we
suggest is that we might need to come in here on the property line and put in a retaining
wall just in this corner where we're going to be improving the right-of-way. The rest of
this right-of-way will remain as it is today unimproved. It's grassy. There are sailboats
that people have put up in this area for the winter. But, that is the wall that we would be
looking at possibly putting any structure to make sure that the sand underneath is
foundation doesn't shift into the nght-of-way. It has nothing to do with sand dune and it
has nothing to do with anything other than being a good neighbor.
Ronald Ripley: Any questions of Mr. Bourdon? Kathy Katsias.
Kathy Katsias: Back again about the preservation of the trees. The 300-year old tree, are
you planning to preserve that?
Eddie Bourdon: It cannot be. The distance from the edge of the pavement to the
property line in this area is approximately 8-10 feet and there is another eight feet to the
building. There is roughly 17-18 feet from the edge of pavement to the building. That
tree, while it's in this area the root system extends. It's a spread out tree and there's not
possible way unfortunately that particular tree can be saved. There are no trees on this
side of the property and there are nine trees we've identified in the area along here and
there not seedlings but not the 300-year old tree. But we are committed to saving, and
again, were going to try and transplant some other trees. With the original approved site
plan, Dinwiddie Road would have been widened and that's where our access would have
been and there would have been no trees and that's where the trees are. There would
have been no trees saved. It wouldn't have been possible to save the first tree. We will
be saving the trees that we can on that side and try to transplant others. That's all that we
can do We have and I believe that Mr. Solanic, although I know that he would love to
see that tree saved would acknowledge that we have worked with them to the best of our
ability short of doing a totally different development to save the trees within what were
working with.
Kathy Katsias: I'm also concerned with the visitor parking. Is there anyway? I mean six
spaces is still not a lot for a condominium this size, on street parking or any other
solution?
Eddie Bourdon: Most certainly the potential exists to improve more of Dupont Circle in
this area and add some opportunity for on street parking. It's certainly something that
could be done and certainly do a wider paving section here and provide the opportunity
for on street parking so there is certainly that opportunity. We also, I believe have the
opportunity here for a parking space but I'm not totally certain about that. Ms. Katsias,
excuse me, that is a possibility. We really have not explored that at this point and we
would not want to add on -street parking on the Dinwiddie side. I don't think it would be
problematic in terms of the capability with parking garage and their parking lot. So, there
is that opportunity in this area for some off-street parking. The one concern and I don't
want to speak for the community. We would be willing to look into doing that and I
don't know if the community would be necessarily favorable to that but we would be able
to look at that.
Ronald Ripley: Any comments? I want to reiterate. This is a question of you Mr.
Bourdon And, looking at I see what the staff recommended as additional reservation on
the right-of-way, and I don't know the exact distance that's indicated on this P&B study
that was done in October 18, 2001 on page A6. I can't tell what the distance is but it
looks like a line and how wide that is, I'm not sure. But, I don't think it's prudent on the
Commission's part to ignore that if that's a need that was identified and a paid study that
the City had done specifically to meet the needs of the stakeholders and all of the studies
that have gone on this. I tell you, all the time that I've spent personally on the Shore
Drive Advisory Committee, when I look back on it, it's amazing. But, it's not a great
deal of consideration in my mind to honor that particular setback or that particular
reservation requirement. So, my question is would your client honor that and adjust his
plan accordingly?
Eddie Bourdon: I believe that we would have to do that and I don't have any. I haven't
talked to him but that part of it to the extent that's what the Parsons Brickerhoff study
recommends, I think we would certainly work with the staff to do just that. But, our
concern is we've been told all along its 150 and that is what we want. That basically
renders the property. We'll be going back to court to try to enforce this site plan as being
something that was approved before we give up that much of the property. But we would
certainly work with the City to try and implement the minimal amount that is shown here
and it would involve inevitably some change in the building but it would not be
significant in my opinion.
Ronald Ripley: I can't sit here and tell you what that distance is because it's not shown
on here. All I know is that by serving on that Committee, what I said this morning and
I'll repeat it is that it is my understanding that there's sufficient right-of-way within the
Shore Drive Corridor to accommodate six -lanes including bypass and lighting and
landscaping. With the exception that there would be need to be some take in various
different spots and this particular sheet on page A6 indicates that there is some taking
required, most of which appears to be on the southern half but once again, this study is a
study that was done and things could change going forward and will change. I'm sure
So, I'm sure and I respect Mr. Scott and his staff erring on the side of caution to you to
require as much right-of-way that they can so that they have the flexibility to move that
road the best they could in the future because at some point in the future it may be
required. As I said this morning and as we've talked about who knows how long that will
be. I think I'll be a very old person and maybe not even here by the time we get around
to the point of having to do that but the conflict that I've had in reading this staff report is
just that and also the familiarity of the right-of-way. I'm not an engineer and not
pretending to be. I'm not pretending to know the amount of distance that's shown for the
reservation but it doesn't appear to be a large amount to me. I brought it up this morning
and I Just want to put it on the record. It's just my opinion. Are there any other questions
of Mr. Bourdon?
William Din: Just a little point of clarification for me. When I was asking that question
where that red line was, does that just affect the trees or does that affect the building
itself?
Eddie Bourdon. It won't affect any of the improvements. What it has the potential to
affect Will, we're really talking about a section here. And, I'm just going from the need
of 16 to get to 126, so that's with the proportions here clearly we're talking about just a
matter of a few feet off of this black line. Okay, but what happens when you do that, lets
assume just for the sake of discussion that in this corner we need five more feet of right-
of-way. Okay Then what that results, in is to meet a 30-foot setback from the new right-
of-way, this part of the building needs to move back five feet. It doesn't affect the
building other than its setback from the ultimate right-of-way. When staff says 150-foot
ultimate right-of-way their saying that the right-of-way line comes here to the front of the
building and the whole building got to be shifted back 30-feet and that in our estimation,
I won't go back and repeat the comments. It wouldn't affect anything here than we would
have to again, shorten the north/south run of the building by whatever amount is coming
off here. And, it clearly it has no affect on this side and it has, I believe a minimal affect
on the east side but it would have to shift the building most likely.
William Din: I understand.
Ronald Ripley: Gene, do you have a question?
Eugene Crabtree: Yes. Just for clarification Eddie, I did understand you earlier to say
that you would put a gate or something in that driveway that goes to Chesapeake House
to prevent the people from your property driving through to cut through and use that as a
roadway if they so desired.
Eddie Bourdon: Yes sir. We have communicated with Chesapeake House and because
there's not a consensus at this point but we have communicated with them and we've met
with them twice in civic meetings that we would work with them to put in whatever
means they felt, because it's their private property it was necessary for us to make sure
that we didn't have traffic cutting through their parking lot, if it meant a gate on this end.
It wouldn't be one on the other end and the other end is the main access to their property,
so it wouldn't be from a fire and safety issue of problem because they have a intersection
with a full traffic light on the east side of their property.
Eugene Crabtree: I just asked you this to clarify what was going on the Chesapeake
Houses concerns and that was one of their concerns. I just wanted that clarified.
Eddie Bourdon: And, we've communicated that to them and I think they're aware that
they want to make sure that it gets totally on the record and we have indicated an absolute
willingness to do that and I think we've done that today.
Ronald Ripley: And also Gene, additional study was done by the Hampton Roads
Planning District Commission, I believe and it dealt with the traffic issue and the turning
in and turning out and that lights a new light isn't it Bob? Isn't that a new traffic light?
Robert Scott: Yeah. It was put in there.
Ronald Ripley: Because that intersection was a very high traffic accident area. And, that
is I hope has solved a lot of those problems. Very low traffic problems on these
intersections but then again you got new people moving in so, that's subject to change.
But that's very much the issue.
Eddie Bourdon: That is the intersection where the stop light is located at the full
intersection here and the concern again is people in this vicinity that want to go
eastbound rather than wanting to coming out here. And the light does gives you the
automatic break when the light's red so you could come out here, I think easily come
across and make a u-turn to go that way because of the presence of that light. But the
concern is a legitimate concern that people in here want to go eastbound and just cut
through the parking lot and come out and go eastbound. And, that's why we said we
would address that but the way to do it would be on this end of their private property so it
would not inhibit anyway any emergency vehicle access to their property, which would
clearly occur here because there is no median break there I think that makes sense.
Ronald Ripley: That traffic light will provide a break. You're right.
Eddie Bourdon: Obviously everybody in this society that convenience, convenience,
convenience, it may not be most convenient but it will provide the break that is so close
that it would be very easy for people leaving here to come across because there won't be
any traffic coming and do the u-turn. Now the u-turn is never an ideal scenario but
certainly that can happen and that's going to be case anyway. The other thing that you
mentioned Mr. Chairman, these are the condos back here and you can see where we're
building back in this area cannot conceivably have an impact on any of their views.
There are two houses here behind the Mexican restaurant where the front of the house
faces Dinwiddie that they'll be facing the side of our building. But in terms of the views
used up and down the Beach and of the ocean and even the house here, it's view this way
across our property is not impacted at all. It's just looking in the direction that really
anyone would conceive to be the principal view field stretched directly across that would
be impacted. So, were not impacting views other than what we have to do to build it.
Ronald Ripley: Charlie, do you have a question?
Charlie Salle': I have a question to Mr. Scott. I'm trying to resolve this right-of-way
issue but the write up reflects the ordinance that says we have to measure the setbacks
from the ultimate right-of-way line. And, I don't have the text of the ordinance here but I
presume it says that and I guess the mass Transportation Plan has set that ultimate right-
of-way line regardless of Eddie's argument that we may or may not adhere to it in the
past. We have, it looks like before, so the ordinance and it says we're required to adhere
to it. And, I guess with that is that ultimate right-of-way line is it determined in an exact
manner or how are we?
Robert Scott: First of all, let's go over what the Master Transportation Plan says, it's
plain, simple, basic. It says the right-of-way from Shore Drive is to be 150-feet wide.
Period. We feel that at this point not knowing anything else about it, we need to be
measuring that equally from the center line, although I do see the wisdom and comments
that sooner or later especially if you move farther west from the bridge there is a
likelihood that a decision will be made to start moving a bit south from that road. We
have not made that decision and there are people that are going to be greatly affected by
that decision if it's made, people who own property on the south side. If we're deciding
to take more property from them, they need to know about that. So, at this point that is
what we're doing, is measuring equally in each direction from the centerline. Now could
we go with less nght-of-way? Well, yes but our plan is not to squeeze this road in.
That's why we did the Shore Drive Study. That's why we invested in coming up with a
plan that hopefully does more than just squeeze a road in but provides an appropriate and
hopefully a very beautiful road in the future, which is going to require more area to do it
in. I see no reason why we can't work with the property owners along the road knowing
that Shore Drive is not virgin territory. It's not bordered by soybean fields, it's bordered
by very expensive and for the most part built up properties although those properties are
not built up. Nevertheless, there are going to be some effects and I do think we need to
be sensitive to that as we go through there. But, what we can't deal with is a commitment
to simply have a narrower right-of-way. What we can't live with is an idea of just doing
the minimal and seeing what we can squeeze in. That's not what we committed to do
when we committed to doing the Shore Drive Corridor Now with that, I think we have a
willingness to work with the property owners along there but I think everybody needs to
know what we can and can't do in the process of working with them. So, it is an issue.
Charlie Salle': I guess that's the concern that I have it appears that we have an ordinance
that says you essentially have to have that setback from the ultimate right-of-way, which
is so far been determined to include more of the property than the study shows or Eddie
thinks is there. And, I don't know how we approve this application, which is essentially
unlawful in its development, if you adhere to the setback, which is required by the
ordinance. I don't know how to get around that.
Eddie Bourdon: Every development that I referenced is exactly. If you interpret the law
to read the way your interpreting the law to read, then it has been approved in
contravention of that law.
Charlie Salle': Well, maybe that's happened but I guess what I'm trying to deal with is
what we have before us now and if the ordinance absolutely requires that it be that the
buildings be set back from the ultimate right-of-way line, I don't know how we can go on
record of saying we're going to ignore it.
Eddie Bourdon: There are clearly, and Mr. Salle' clearly and I think you recognize this
from the records is that there are taking issues involved with that and I think that explains
why it has not been adhered to, that and the clear, clear belief of the people in the
community that they don't want that type of a road. I think those are the issues. I have a
personal belief that it's being put out here for a different reason but I may be wrong in
that belief. So, I'm going to keep it to myself in terms and the idea of the City buying it.
If the City wants to buy it, and I don't think they have the desire or the money to buy it
but if they want to buy it, they will have to buy it at its developable value and attempting
to assert on this piece of property that it is the only one that this is going to apply to and it
doesn't apply to anywhere else, gives me a great deal of indigestion.
Ronald Ripley: Charlie, I said it this morning and I wouldn't be taking the position that
taking if this level of detail hadn't been applied to the Corridor or the level of design
detail for preliminary design detail on the right-of-way. And, in my mind and this has
happened subsequent to the Master Transportation Plan of 150-feet, which is just laid in
on the Corridor. And, I think it had a much wider one at one point. It came down to 150-
feet and then I think through negotiating with the neighborhood and the stakeholders,
what they want, they don't want a main thoroughfare through. They want it to be a resort
neighborhood not a way to get to the north end of the beach quicker. And, I think the
150-feet is just and hopefully there is a compromise and Mr. Scott, hopefully you all can
meet and I don't know if you have to spend more time with the applicant on this or if he's
willing to do that to discuss that particular point. I don't know if there's any part or not.
If it's not, its not and I totally respect that. I'd ask you to compromise any kind of
position that you feel that you can.
Robert Scott. I think we're saying that we are willing to investigate those things but what
we cannot compromise is the principal behind the improvements of Shore Drive.
Ronald Ripley: I don't disagree with you there. I'm right there with you.
Robert Scott: We do not energize the community so we can squeeze a road in there. We
energize the community to do it right. And, with that in mind there are different ways to
do that and I think the City staff and I'm speaking for others beside the Planning
Department here but I think we will be willing to at least investigate it for an opportunity.
Ronald Ripley: Mr. Bourdon. I don't know if you were listening but I was asking Mr.
Scott if he'd be willing to investigate other opportunities or any other opportunities in
handling this potential reservation. And, he's indicating that they would consider that.
Would you all be willing to meet with him on that, I mean, would that be something that
if you could work through that, I think that would solve a lot of issues.
Eddie Bourdon: We will be very happy to work with the staff with the issue being that
the right-of-way width per the Parsons Bnckerhoff study. We also will continue to work
with the civic league. I was talking to Tim. And, again, we had very positive dialogue
for the most part with the civic league. I know that there are people in the civic league
that want to see the property be preserved. We'll work with anybody and we have and we
demonstrated that. And, Stan did that when he chose not to develop the original plan and
the civic league said they would support him on doing a Use Permit for 27 units. So,
we'll continue to work with everybody but we've got to work with being treated the way
everyone else has been treated and reasonable parameters, not being told we will give a
150-foot ultimate right-of-way on our property.
Ronald Ripley: I don't have any reason to think that you hadn't been treated the way
anybody else has been treated. I'm sure you've been treated as fairly as possible. Mr.
Scott, if it would be worth your time and the applicant's time to meet, you think you all
could come together on something that maybe would be acceptable from your point and
your point.
Robert Scott: I'm willing to guarantee the effort. I can't guarantee the outcome.
Eddie Bourdon: We'll guarantee the effort as well. The one issue that has not been
addressed and I think is important and frankly it's the crucial element is the height of the
building. We certainly, because there's been some discussion at least I see it as condition
number five on the recommendation that the building be three -stones in height and as
long as and my point is we can look at adjusting the building and moving it back from the
ultimate right-of-way width but we're not going to be in the position to make a three-
story building and do the quality product that we're looking at doing here and doing an
appropriate transition. So, I wouldn't expect you to put us on the spot with that issue but
I just want to put that on the record.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Will it be acceptable from the Commission's point of view to
give them some more time to defer this and to try and work through this issue?
Eugene Crabtree: I will so move that we defer it.
Ronald Ripley: So a motion by Gene Crabtree to defer. Seconded by Kathy Katsias.
We're not in discussion point of view.
Tim Solanic: From what I understand that's why it goes a back hoping to get on the
public record and for clarification about some communication that Mr. Bourdon and Fort
Worth and Ocean Park Civic League has had just to get it on the record.
Ronald Ripley: Can you work with him between now and the next meeting and then if
you need to bring it on to the record we will, if that's alright with you. We're going to
have to deal with this some more at the next meeting.
Tim Solanic: Sure.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Thank you very much.
Tim Solanic: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: So we have motion to defer. Second, is it Kathy? Any discussion?
We're ready to vote.
Robert Miller: I need to abstain from this. My firm is working on the project.
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Ronald Ripley: By a vote of 8-0 with one abstention, the motion carries. We're going to
take a 10-minute recess. Please back here in 10 minutes. Be back at 4:00 o'clock.
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Eddie Bourdon: For those of you who didn't hang on to or bring your packages from last
month, I've got packages, which I'm passing around. Again, there is a little bit of
additional information in what I've passed around to what I provided last month. For the
record, my name is Eddie Bourdon. I'm a Virginia Beach attorney. I'm representing
Fort Worth Development on this application. I'm going to state like I state every single
time that this application and my representation had no relationship whatsoever to the
Crab Creek proposal on the other side of Shore Drive. I'm going to be far briefer this
month than I was last month. I appreciate your indulgence last month. It is a
complicated application. I would ask very strongly if the staff could be sure to have
included in the package to City Council the transcript from the May public hearing. As
there was a lot of information provided then that I would not be repeating today. The
property we're dealing with, just to summarize, is on the north side of Shore Drive
located next to the 13-story tall, 120 unit Chesapeake House Condominium and adjacent
to the Chesapeake House is the 356 Home on the Bay Condominium which is 10 stones
in height. The property that we're dealing with is a B-4 zoned piece of property that's
been owned by my client for close to 20 years. To our west is a property that is zoned B-
2 where on it is located a Mexican restaurant. And, I dare say that if someone came in
with a tightly proffered plan so much as Mr. Arnold's plan for that Mexican restaurant.
He got nd of that. The folks who live adjacent to it in those duplexes to the north who
think their quality of life had been improved dramatically. But, still they wouldn't want
it to be rezoned in a way that would leave it open to putting a high-rise on it. The request
is for a Conditional Use Permit today. We're forced to do that under the Shore Drive
Overlay Ordinance, which was adopted in 1999, which down zoned this property by a
total of 13-units and instituted this Conditional Use Permit process. In 1999, the
applicant had a site plan approved by the City of Virginia Beach for a 40-unit
condominium on this site. In your package, I have included an elevation of what that
building would have looked like on the top of the left side of your package. My client
decided not to do that to wait and try to upgrade the project to a high -end project and
what a good decision that was given the market and how the market has development.
Also in this package on the left side you'll see a letter from Mr. Jim McElligott, the
President of the Ocean Park Civic League dated May 7, 1999 and a letter from myself to
Bob Scott dated May 20, 1999 and a recent letter from my client to the Ocean Park Civic
League President Mr. Billy Sykes, who unfortunately, Billy has been under the weather
and hasn't been able to attend any of the meetings here with the Planning Commission.
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But, I would ask you if you have a chance to peruse and review those letters. The Ocean
Park Civic League and the Chesapeake House, we've met with them on a number of
occasions and we've changed our landscaping design. We preserved live oaks on the
property as you heard us discuss last month. I've also mentioned to you that our
landscape plan also consists of the recommendations containing the Parsons Bnckerhoff
2001 Transportation Study, which was adopted by City Council in 2002. And, that same
adopted recommendation, although it's not in the Transportation Plan shows Shore Drive
as 120 feet in width I want to mention on the record as I did last time, the Chesapeake
House we've agreed to assist them. We will construct a wall if need be to protect the
foundation of their parking garages that wraps around the backside or north side of our
property. We will also provide them with a gate or other means of controlling cross
traffic through their parking lot. This is our proposal for a 27-unit condominium, 2200
square feet plus size of the units. The units will sell for half million dollars and above,
just what everyone wanted back in 1999, and if you look at the letter from Mr. McElligott
and my letter to Mr. Scott. The only issue that I think exists in our eyes is one that we
talked about last month. That's the 150 Shore Drive as called for in the Master
Transportation Plan. In 1991, there was a 150-foot Shore Drive for an eight -lane
highway. When the most recent Comprehensive Plan was adopted the eight lanes came
out but it still stays 150-foot Shore Drive, 150-foot Shore Drive really doesn't exist and
we don't think it will exist. But I will just point out these facts. The brick base of our
fence on this proposal, which encloses our parking area and that is all it does is 30-feet
from our front property line along Shore Drive. The building itself, the building with the
units in it, which sits back from our fence, is 44-48 feet because of the architectural
vanation from our front property line. There is an unimproved section of Shore Drive in
front of our property line that averages 35 feet in width plus our fenced in parking area is
65 feet back from the existing pavement. And, our building is 79-83 feet back from the
existing pavement. If we were to measure from the center line of Shore Drive and the
median that exists in Shore Drive today, to the front of our property, the 75 feet back
from that there would be an additional 20 feet of setback before you got to the fence. In
other words, the fence is 95 feet back from the centerline measured from the middle of
the median. And, our building is an additional 14-18 feet beyond that or 34-3 8 feet back
from where our property line would be if 150 foot right-of-way were ever to occur along
Shore Drive. I don't think Tim and all my friends here from Ocean Park, any of us want
to see that ever happen and were that to happen the cost would be astronomical to acquire
all the property along Shore Drive to widen it to 150 feet. And, in fact 356 on the Bay, I
don't know if you could even get another 20 feet which would require to make the
property on Shore Drive in front of 356 on the Bay 150 feet wide. It is now at 130. To
acquire an additional 20 feet on each side would bring the road either into the building or
at the building. And, I think that would actually be in the building. To suggest, as I did
last month, and I have not been shown otherwise, that this property must have a setback
that is based upon a road that is hypothetical and a road that I think no one desires to see
or will ever see at a 150 feet in width is a taking. This property has already been the
subject of a taking which we lived with and we actually wind up with a whole lot better
product and everyone winds up with a whole lot better project because we did not move
forward with that project back in 1999 for a 40-unit condominium that would have a first
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floor finished elevation of 38 feet as is shown on that plan which will give you what you
see in front of you today. The building that we have designed, we have done everything
that has been asked of us from the staff prospective other than make the building shorter
which we simply cannot do. We must fit the number of units that are allowed under the
Overlay, which is not an increase in density but is in fact a decrease in density over the
zoning that was on the property before the Overlay occurred. And, we have designed a
building that will be very attractive. One that will have the units that will have the prices
that we talked about and one that will not have any problem in being marketed given the
conditions that exist on Shore Drive. One question that was asked last month was about
parking? We have six visitor parking spaces in our parking, which is all underneath the
building, all enclosed What we also will be doing and talking with our marketing people
we expect a number of the units will not be occupied on a 365 day a year basis and many
will just be a occupied temporary, weekends and during summer months. All of the
parking spaces will be fitted with signs so that when people are not in their units and
they're gone for weeks and months at a time, they'll just flip the little lever and it will say
visitor space so that everyone will have the opportunity to utilize other spaces that are not
in use in the parking garage. We also would make any other improvements to Dupont
Circle to add parking availability to Dupont Circle but we don't believe our neighbors
want to see that and it would be public parking. It would not be parking that could be
restricted. But, those are two ways that additional parking can be provided. The original
plan that was approved in 1999 as I mentioned last month and I will mention it again, did
not involve any setback from a 150-foot nght-of-way. And, the 150 feet in the Master
Transportation Plan has never changed. And, in fact that building was 14-18 closer to
Shore Drive than this building and our parking was certainly 16 feet closer to Shore
Drive than it is with this building. Everything about this building is a tremendous and
substantial improvement of what was approved with our site plan in 1999. And, the civic
league, at that point, was very supportive. Their position now has obviously somewhat
changed.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you Mr. Bourdon. Are there any questions of Mr. Bourdon? I do
have a question. In the formal session, Mr. Scott, I understand you have worked through
the front yard setback issue or the right-of-way issue. Is that correct?
Eddie Bourdon: That is correct. We recognize that the law says that you have to get a
variance from the Board of Zoning Appeals. I think we are in agreement that this has not
been universally followed but I'm certainly not going to argue against what the law says
even thought that has not been universally followed. We will go to the Board of Zoning
Appeals. The only variance required because of the 150-foot ultimate right-of-way
where Shore Drive is for the fence and roof over it that protects the parking in front. Not
for the building itself. And, it would be a variance that appears to us to be, although its
not uniform across because of where the right-of-way, roughly a variance of 10 feet to a
20-foot setback for the brick face front structure of the building into the what would be
the setback if the nght-of-way were to be a 150-feet at some point in the future.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Mr. Scott, does that sound about right?
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Robert Scott: Yeah. I know that we all have opinions on what's legal and what's
happening. Here are two important things. We need to acquire the right-of-way up to
150- feet purchased at fair market value at the time we need it without it being
encumbered by structures and so forth. We're convinced that opportunity is there for us.
Ronald Ripley: Okay.
Robert Scott: Number two. We need to have the setback of the building to be measured
from the line of distance to 30-feet, and I agree the building itself does to our collective
eye appear to have that feature but it doesn't and he is going to need to get a variance to
that aspect.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Thank you very much. Are there any other questions? Okay, we
have some speakers.
Dorothy Wood: Mary Compton.
Mary Compton: I'm Mary Compton. And I live on Dinwiddie on the west side of the
structure. I've lived there for over 20 years. And, I want to thank you for giving me the
opportunity to express how I feel about this. First of all I want to say to you I would love
more than anything to see a nice piece of property be developed on this lot that would
add to the culture and character of Ocean Park. I do have some issues and I don't want to
beat a dead horse to death but the notification of this coming before you today. I'm the
closest residence to the property. I probably eat and sleep closer than anybody to this
structure that's being built. And, I have seen no signs on the property that this was
coming up today. I found out from my neighbor who had gotten a certified letter. And,
I've not had any notification. The last time I didn't get notification but I did see the sign
out there that made me aware that the hearing was coming up. So, I don't know what the
process is to notify people about this or what, but do you normally post signs when the
second hearing is coming up?
Ronald Ripley: The sign has to be posted how many days? What is it 14 days?
Robert Scott: Right now its 15 days. But that's going to be changed to 30.
Mary Compton: But there have been no signs on this property that this was going to be
on your agenda today
Ronald Ripley: There's no sign up on that property?
Mary Compton: No.
Kathy Katsias: It's been taken down. There was one originally
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Mary Compton: For the hearing a month ago it was. That one was taken down, but no
new sign was put up for the hearing today.
Ronald Ripley: Anyway. We don't seem to have knowledge of that. And, if we had
direct knowledge we would have seen that.
Mary Compton: Because I asked all my neighbors if they've seen any signs on the
property about today. I travel a lot and I happen to find out from my neighbor who lives
further away from the property than me who had gotten a certified letter.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. You might want to proceed with any other points. I'm using your
time up by talking to you.
Mary Compton: Okay, let me finish with the other issues that I have here. I've been an
Ocean Park resident for over 20 years. And, I feel like the structure on this lot is just too
large for the piece of property and I think it will detract from the character and the culture
of our community. It's hard for me to imagine a six -story structure less than 75-feet from
my house. And, I'm the only house that looks directly at the west side of the building.
It's like you sitting there looking at this back wall here at a six -story structure. I sit down
and I try to think about it and that's actually half the size of the Chesapeake House, which
2s on the other side of the lot. Also, near and dear to my heart, as well as the rest of the
community is this one last natural sand dune on this property. This is one of the last if
not maybe the last sand dune that we have in Ocean Park. It's been said in the past that
the City should put a dome over this dune to protect it so our school children could come
and see it. Common sense tells me that a structure this large cannot be built on this
property without at least destroying part of the sand dune, if not all of it over time. We
all know that this sand dune has a covenant on it that was put on it by a previous owner
and our civic league is now researching how this covenant is to be monitored and
managed because we don't know that right now. This is just too beautiful of a piece of
property to be developed with something that doesn't fit in with the character of Ocean
Park. For these reasons, I'm against a structure of this size being put on this lot. And, I
task you today to take in consideration the impact that this structure will have on our
character of Ocean Park which is always been live oaks and sand dunes. And, we already
know that we are going to give up one of our oldest live oaks that we have in the
community. And, that's my feelings.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you Ms. Compton.
Mary Compton: Thank you.
Dorothy Wood: Our next speaker, is it Solanic?
Tim Solanic: I will try to be as brief as possible. We covered a lot of this a month ago. I
was quite frankly surprised we were coming back within a month after Mr. Bourdon said
last month, "we will be very happy to work with the staff and with the issue with that the
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right-of-way with PV study, we also will continue to work with the civic league." And
part of the discussion that we had if you recall when you were asking if there were any
opposition to the deferral, was based on the condition that we would have communication
in the future. The only communication we've had since then, Mr. Bourdon was out of
town and everything, was the letter that apparently he gave you, which was faxed to our
president who has been sick and he is at a trial right now. He couldn't convince a judge
to come down here, two days ago at 5:15 and the letter is inaccurate. There's an
inaccurate quote in it. It starts off saying that we're willing to work with the civic league
but they did not feel that we were totally straight with the civic league. They never
recommunicated with us from the condition that was placed from the last meeting.
Ronald Ripley: Well, I'm sure he'll have an opportunity. I don't know how this vote
will go here today or what's going to happen but I'm sure there will be an opportunity
between now and Council to meet.
Tim Solanic: Right.
Ronald Ripley: I'm sure and I know that applicant is interested in trying to satisfy you.
Tim Solanic: Right. That's what we thought. I just wanted to mention that to get on the
record because I wasn't even going to bring up this letter but apparently it's in the packet
that was given to you.
Ronald Ripley: Well, the overriding concern that I saw was the setback issue. And, that
was a very major issue and I wanted Mr. Scott and the applicant to talk about it and they
have talked about it. So, that was the primary issue for reason to defer as far as I was
concerned The Planning Commissioners may have some other reasons particularly the
meeting with the civic league. That should be an ongoing process between now and City
Council and I'm sure it will be.
Tim Solanic. I'm just trying to understand the law.
Ronald Ripley: Sure
Tim Solanic: Just starting to read for it and everything. I'm just trying to understand the
legal aspects of notification. The legal aspects of the transcripts kept forever and ever
quoting what was said before, what's conditional, what's appropriate even to bring up.
What's repetitive and all that sort of thing. I'm just trying to do the right thing.
Ronald Ripley. This is not a court of law. This is a citizen group trying to bring some
citizen input to the process that occurs.
Tim Solanic: And, I didn't want to waste all of our time and I just brought up the letter
because it's inaccurate. But, I now know it's in your packet.
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Ronald Ripley: Yes sir.
Tim Solanic: Over a month ago, and I'm going to be as brief as possible. About a month
ago Mr. Bourdon also mentioned that there was no B-4 zoning west of this property. I'm
implying, I guess that's a good thing, just a comment there. This area between, also to
get on the record, a six -story structure on that property will basically block the swimming
pool. It would be in shade 100 percent of the time. I just wanted to get that on the
record. I'm not sure how they're going to sell property with a pool that has no sun. You
heard Mary Compton mention that building is within 75-feet of a three-story structure.
Again, this goes back to the height and that is our only issue. We obviously prefer open
space. When the open space subcommittee convinced whoever to write a check to buy it
but it's that 300 year old live oak tree on that side Dinwiddie. It's the width of
Dinwiddie, which now also is mentioned, which one of the planners had admitted that
they missed it at the last meeting, which we did not know about until last meeting.
There's a pedestrian doorway on Dinwiddie as well and you mentioned that you're
familiar with Dinwiddie. I can find the quote in here if you want to but Mr. Bourdon
mentioned that very briefly. With only six parking spots, especially during the
summertime where's everyone else gong to park or have the opportunity to park? They
could quite possibly park in Dinwiddie. Several years ago before I got involved with
Captain and Mr. Hook, they went to Richmond to have that gorgeous property shut down
from the ABC Board or whoever it was because of parking on Dinwiddie and buyer
protection. So, that's another consideration with the pedestrian door right there, parking
and people are going to be getting on this huge structure that's on this proposal. Mr.
Bourdon also referred to the dune as a secondary sand dune. He also referred to it as a
primary sand dune.
Ronald Ripley- You have about a minute.
Tim Solanic Meeting with some environmental engineers in our community it is
impossible to build a six -story structure without touching that sand dune.
Ronald Ripley: I think that's the lumber that you have here that they are trying to avoid
touching the sand dune not just the pool.
Tim Solanic: The pool is right on the edge of the sand dune but to put a six -story
structure there without affecting that sand dune and Mr. Bourdon also mentioned that the
previous owners can enforce that deed restriction. We've already got donations to keep a
microscope on the sand dune to protect it like Mary Compton said. And, that's the last
dune on Shore Drive and that 300-year old oak tree Thank you very much.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you very much.
Dorothy Wood: Mr. Todd Solomon please.
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Todd Solomon: Good afternoon again. My name is Todd Solomon. I'm representing
the Shore Drive Community Coalition again. The Shore Drive Community Coalition
requests that this item be denied based on the following two items. The first one being
the Comprehensive Plan recommendation that this property be purchased as open space
which my understanding was touched upon at last month's meeting but wasn't taken very
far The second item would be the projects massive structure and density, which had
been highlighted a little bit but I'm going along a little further. The Comprehensive Plan,
which is created and interpreted obviously by the Planning Commission, recommends
that this property be purchased via the Open Space Fund. It's one of three properties on
Shore Drive area that were earmarked for open space. One of them has already been
purchased for a fire station and the other two are still here. The Shore Drive Community
Coalition voted to endorse the acquisition of this property as open space and affirmed this
vote in a letter sent to City Council on May 12, prior to your last month's meeting.
Planning Staff Ms. Smith did an excellentiob in her review of this project. However,
nowhere does it mention that the Comprehensive Plan recommends this property as an
open space. As purveyors of the document, shouldn't it be the Planning Commission's
duty to address this planned use in the project review somewhere for City Council's
review? We fully understand that the final decision will be made by City Council,
however, the discrepancy such as this and alternate uses I think should show up
somewhere in the review package. The second item, the massive structure of this project
and being an engineer I was trying to determine a way to kind of correlate what Ocean
Park looks like, what Chesapeake House looks like and what this property looks like and
equate it in all in some way shape or form. The best thing I could come up with was a
ratio of the square footage of use of a development divided by the square footage of the
lot size. And, what I've come up with on Ocean Park's R-5, the average ratio of that is
about 5,000 square feet of living space, 5,000 square feet for R-5, so the ratio of one.
Chesapeake House roughly 120,000 square feet and one half acres, which ratio's out to
about 1.8, the Dinwiddie project here, Dupont Circle with its roughly 112,000 and 1.14
acres ratio's out to about 2.3. So you can see a far as that ratio goes that this property is
even using more dense that what the Chesapeake House property shows up to be. And, if
you were trying to merge something between the two you'd be more likely to have
something around 1.4 ratio, which would require this project to be about 15 units versus
the 27 units that is proposed now. So, that is one of the items you talked about last month
as far as the density and the massiveness of it. And, I wanted to put it in perspective for
you as ratios.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you very much. Are there any questions of Mr. Solomon? Thank
you
Dorothy Wood: Our last speaker is Jack Bryan
Jack Bryan: Thank you and introductions a side, Chairperson or Commissioners Just to
clarify, I represent 350 residents. To speak to a previous issue and one that seems to
come up again about notification. And just as a note and not to complain about it. Our
response time for the civic leagues is one month. That's how often we have a meeting.
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Two weeks notice is too short. The only reason why my civic league is on top of this is
we act like a business. We have a business once a month and we have an alternating
meeting once every month. So, we have a vote every two weeks. Other civic leagues
can't do that and they also take breaks. People go on vacation. I just want to bring up a
few issues and although they may not be considered here but in regards to the primary
dune. We respect the primary dune. And everyone in our neighborhood does. We own
property that is actually a beach that is actually privately held. We actually allow the
City to use the commons and we respect that. We also have right-of-way issues. And,
this neighborhood has right-of-way issues. Could you bring up the -plat showing
Dinwiddie and Dupont? And now that I know this is here, I'll use it. I'm sorry sir.
There's another one. That one will be fine. This is an easement. The right-of-way. It's
not just a road. It's how people get to the beach. And, there issues in other
neighborhoods along the Shore Drive Corridor, the Shore Drive Community Coalition,
and The Shore Drive Advisory Committee have all brought these issues up, where
encroachment close to the setbacks for housing such as this area here. This area here and
this area all along here make it difficult for people to and from the beach for egress to
make it less inviting. When you begin to encroach in these areas you start to see people
push their territorial space, their personal territorial space you start to see domestic issues
start to occur. Also in this area, I would start looking as future beach access for residents
who are on the other side of Shore Drive and people who are traveling this way to get to
the beach and people who are traveling down Shore Drive to get to the beach from
whatever location they might be originating from. We don't agree with the encroachment
in to the City right-of-way. Also, the massiveness of this and the site plan does not allow
for a staging area during construction to avoid the primary dune, which is the designated
primary dune or it has been identified as the primary dune by the city. Continuing on, we
ask that you deny this. We think that it is too massive. We agree that if it was smaller it
would probably be more acceptable. We ask that you respect the side setbacks. We're
just not worried about the Shore Drive setback if you're able to resolve that. That's fine.
We would like to purchase it as taxpayers though we hope that both of those issues, side
setbacks and front setbacks can be observed. I'm going to refer to that as a dune setback.
When you get close to a dune you start to dig into it or you get witlun the toe of the dune
exactly on the toe of the dune you dig into it, the sand caves in and the dune starts to cave
in. When you put a wall against it, scorping occurs. It's called "wind scorping." And
these are things that affect it. But, I think that's handled in a different area, a different
arena.
Ronald Ripley: You've run out of time but if you could wrap up.
Jack Bryan: Wrapping up. Our letter, which we sent to you today, is full of these issues.
However, I would say "buyer beware " The lawyer stated that in order to get their money
back out of this investment for the property they need to build something this size. When
I buy my property it's the same thing that I would probably say but I look at it and say,
"what's affecting this property" and I look at all the issues involved. It's not ourjob to
enable people to get the most money out of their property. It's our job to look at it from
all respectable areas I've heard three civic leagues speak out here on the Shore Drive
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Community Coalition. A lot of citizens and its the ones that are most directly impacted.
I'm lucky that I'm retired at my early age. And, in that regard, I'm able to attend these
meetings and I'm here to respond for 350 individuals. I hope it's recognized. I'm not
just one complaining individual. Another item that was passed out to you here, a picture,
a rendering, not a true frontal site building picture. I'd like for you to look at this piece of
paper. It's called a magic trick and artists use it quite a bit. I think the building looks
nice the way it's drawn or drawing or a rendering but if I fold this edge like this and turn
it like this it certainly looks smaller. And, now I'm going to show you a picture, which is
here which was presented to you. That's the same thing that's occurring here This
building is massive. It's our opinion it's massive. I've seen buildings like this. I have 19
years of construction. I have nine years with a bank. So, don't be misled that I'm just a
banker who sits behind a desk. This rendering does not represent what this building
looks like. I think it's attractive. It could be smaller but I don't think it represents how
massive it is and I don't think it shows the building right beside it or the little houses that
are over here. Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you. Do we have any other speakers?
Dorothy Wood: No sir. That's all the speakers that we have signed up.
Ronald Ripley: Mr. Bourdon would you like to readdress us please?
Eddie Bourdon: First off, the sign issue and you are all aware, the signs are posted before
the first hearing and they are not reposted. We have no knowledge of anyone. We
certainly didn't take the signs down but they are not reposted every time in terms of
putting new dates on them. That's not the requirement. The signs were posted and I
believe they're still posted but they don't have new dates. This proposal involves a 50-
percent lot coverage. That's all the lot coverage that exists. With regard to the beach
access, if you look at the letter from the civic league that I put in your packets from 1999,
at the access and primary beach access is Dinwiddie. And, we had to agree that we put a
walkway over the dune to the beach. But now the civic league doesn't want that. We
had that on our original plan. We will be putting a walk -way over this dune for our
residents but nothing inhibiting the use of Dinwiddie, which is the beach access that the
people in this area use and have used for years, which is one of the reasons why the civic
league back in 1999 did not want us to develop the site plan that we had approval for
because our access to our 40-unit condominium was off of Dinwiddie. And, that plan,
had we developed with that plan would have wiped out every one the live oaks on this
property rather than what were doing now and that is saving many and planting far more,
with a building that would have been 75-feet in height versus one in this case is over 80-
feet in height, very little difference in the height of the building Yet, we don't have to
put a turn lane on Shore Drive. We don't involve Dinwiddie in any way with this project
as far as the development is concerned and as I said, we will not be impacting the beach
access in any way, shape or form either Dinwiddie or Dupont and will be providing our
own. Todd Solomon's little interesting game with numbers. What he calculates as
density. Chesapeake House has a 120-units. We have 27. Clearly their density is far, far
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greater than ours, and if you break it down by square footage of the land area. What he
neglects to point out is that those units are 900 square foot flats. What the civic league
wanted to see and frankly and I know what a lot of Chesapeake House wanted to see and
that's a far higher quality of residential development. And, that is part of what we're here
to make sure that we get and achieve on Shore Drive is not just 900 square foot flats. We
can put twenty-seven 900 square foot flats on here and we'll be way down below the
ratio. And, in fact that would not get a better development. We can in fact have built the
1999 plan and had a lower ratio than the one that he's talking about for this plan today
with 40-units, 40-units versus 27 but under his scenario we have more density today.
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but he wants to play with numbers to try and
create some statistical argument. We got a plan here for a project that everyone will be
very proud of and it will be step up in quality for anything else that is out there for Shore
Drive. And, I see that my time is up. I said I was going to be brief and I'm going to that.
If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
Ronald Ripley: Appreciate you being brief. That wasn't a question. It was a statement.
We got some questions down here. I think Will Din and then Gene.
William Din: There are several people who have brought up the dune areas down here.
And, I don't know if that has ever been addressed. Again, at this meeting I know it was
addressed at our previous meeting about whether those dunes are protected or not. I
don't believe they are protected. Could you go through that?
Eddie Bourdon: They are protected by deed restrictions. Steve, if you could put the
composite map up there? That's probably the best one. The dune is in this area here and
you can see we got the parking garage back here and we got all these units over here,
these duplexes. We're talking about a dune that is way back here. Even as a secondary
sand dune, there is a deed restriction that deals with it not being disturbed and our plans
do not involve disturbance of that sand dune. We stayed off the sand dune. And, that is
actually what was the case with the 1999 40-unit plan as we stayed off the sand dune. In
honoring that deed restriction that exists on that sand dune and that will not be changed in
anyway by what is before you today. We're off the dune. We will not be using the dune
but it is clearly a secondary dune when you look at where it's located back here in
relation to the beach and the dunes that are all out here on Chesapeake Bay and the
development on either side of us that go well beyond or north of what is in essence a
secondary dune. It's a sand hill back on this piece of property. But we're staying off of
that sand hill and the staging will occur in the front of the building for the construction of
the building.
William Din: Have you had any assessment as to how the impact of the pool or anything
else will be on that dune?
Eddie Bourdon: The pool is not in the dune in anyway shape or form. And if you go
back to the notion that Tim has that there won't be any sun on the swimming pool.
Clearly there will be a shadow on the swimming pool in the afternoon but last time I
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checked the sun rises in the east and it goes overhead there'll be certainly plenty of sun
on the swimming although it will be shaded by the building in the afternoon, the dune is
not affected by the swimming pool. And, we will have a walkway over the dune to the
beach for the residents of this community and we had offered to do one on Dinwiddie for
everyone. The civic league now does not wish to have that.
Ronald Ripley: Gene has a question.
Eugene Crabtree- Yeah, I think you answered my question in the process of answering
Mr. Din's. The staging area for construction you said will be on the Shore Drive side of
the building and will not in impact the dunes. Am I correct?
Eddie Bourdon: We must, by that deed restriction, avoid any impacts on the dune and
that's a private deed restriction that will be enforced by the former owners or their
successors in interest as far as that deed restriction is concerned.
Ronald Ripley: I believe Kathy Katsias has a question.
Kathy Katsias: My concern last month was with the parking situation Eddie and I
understand that you had six guest parking spaces which when the residents aren't there,
there will be additional parking. Unfortunately, I'm sure most of the residents will be
there in the summertime and that's when more parking is going to be required. And, I
don't think six is enough to accommodate this building.
Eddie Bourdon: The two parking spaces per unit that exists also would yield because we
all know that every unit owner is not going to have two vehicles at this location. In fact,
again, we expect that there will be a number of units that will be a second home scenario
and they're generally not going to have two vehicles located there. They will have one
vehicle if they are here for the summer but generally not two. So, we believe and quite
confident that there will be more than six parking spaces that will be available for visitors
but they will vary in term of their number. Little doubt that on the fourth of July there
probably won't be a great deal of visitor parking available in that building. But there is
public parking available across Shore Drive from this site with a very large parking lot
that goes along with the boat ramp on Crab Creek but there is public parking there.
Kathy Katsias: Last month weren't you going to check with the adjacent property owners
and see if they could deal with parking?
Eddie Bourdon: The parking that could be created in the public right-of-way can be
done. There's no two ways about that and there are recommendations at one point that
was supported by the Ocean Park Civic League and I don't think they are no longer
supported by them when they're looking for sand out there about improving these public
nght-of-ways and providing better beach access and providing better opportunities for
people to park. We are not adverse to improving Dupont Circle in this direction and
providing public parking. It would not be that you could restrict it to people who live
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here. Had we done the 99' plan and had an entrance off of Dinwiddie, Dinwiddie would
have been widened and parking would have been more easily attainable on Dinwiddie.
We respected the community's desire to stay off of Dinwiddie with this plan as we
agreed with the civic league in 1999 that we would do. Again, there are no
improvements with this plan for Dinwiddie at all and the only access is again, there's a
door on that side of the parking area where, again, that's going to be controlled access
with a code.
Kathy Katsias: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley. Is that door a firer requirement too?
Eddie Bourdon: I believe it would be a requirement under the fire code Mr. Ripley
otherwise, we really don't have to have it other than for fire code or security and I believe
it will be a requirement but it's just a door.
Ronald Ripley Are there any other questions?
Eddie Bourdon: If I could, one other thing. To our west there are 24-units in 12 duplexes
on the next block plus a Mexican restaurant and a restaurant that had a checkered history
as far as the community. We're talking about 27-units on this piece of property and a
half million dollars and up. The density issue we don't buy that. It's a question of
whether you want smaller, less valuable units.
Ronald Ripley: Any idea of the approximate size of those units?
Eddie Bourdon: In the duplexes?
Ronald Ripley: In the proposal.
Eddie Bourdon: Oh in this. They are 2200 square feet. One will be larger but basically
2200 square feet per unit
Ronald Ripley: Thank you. Alright I will open this up for discussion with the Planning
Commission. Who would like to go? Will.
William Din: I think the applicant has tried to work through this process quite well.
We've talked about the sand dune. We've talked about the setback. And, I think those
areas are well worked out. I think that the only problem is the massiveness of the
building that people are concerned with. There is 13-story building adjacent to that
which is setback quite far. That appears to be less massiveness because it is setback.
And because of the way that this building is sitting on the piece of property I think it is
quite large looking. I think that's mentioned in the report and I think my own concern is
probably the massiveness of it I think that's something that I could probably live with.
think the high quality of the building and the way it looks and constructed is well built. I
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think the appearance of it looks very good. I don't think the height of that is very
restricted because I think it steps it down. I think it does look like a transition from the
Chesapeake House down to the duplexes to the west of that. There is a lot of effort to
save the sand dune, a lot of effort to put in some live oak trees. The applicant has been
trying to work with that. I really think there has been a lot of effort in trying to put up
good quality development in this area. I really don't have a whole lot of problem with
that so I'll probably be support this.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Are there any other comments? Jan.
Janice Anderson: I'm kind of going both ways on this. But I just wanted to bring out
some stuff for discussion. I think the project is very nice but there are problems that I
have with the right-of-way variance. It's clear now that they're going back to the Board
of Zoning Appeals to try to get a variance. But, they could have scaled back and gone
back behind the setback line but they chose not to do that so they're looking to build into
the right-of-way there. So far as the coverage of the lot, this is rather a small lot for this
size of building. They are covering every portion of it with building that's buildable
because the sand dune is reserved and that's protected so any buildable land that's there,
they're covering every chunk of it. So far as the civic leagues are concerned with
communication I think that the applicant has been very good at going out to the civic
leagues before but the civic league's communication goes both ways. If they know
something out there and somebody doesn't contact them they need to go out and contact
the applicant. I'm not really worried about the communication. It is B-4. You do have
the high nses due to the one size. And this is a step down but I think in the area, just the
location how close the road it is kind of heavy. The previous 40-units that they had, it is
a good thing the Council has approved these Overlay districts and they've come from
Planning but this is the kind of structure you had before and it's nice that these
restnctions are there
Ronald Ripley: Does anybody else have any comments? Gene.
Eugene Crabtree: I agree that the building intends to crowd the property and however,
there are other precedence's in the City of buildings which crowd the property to, some
of which are on Shore Drive. Some which have been approved in recent years in the
center of the City. The building that is currently going on that we are working with now
so I don't see as to where the arrangement of the parking underneath the building and the
amenities in the second floor and the living units above that the crowding of the property
is all that drastic. And, that it makes that much difference and I agree the six stones is a
step down from the 13-stones that is adjacent to it on the east side. Therefore, I think I'm
going to support the application since the other issues have been ironed out with the staff.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you Gene. Dot.
Dorothy Wood: I'm like Kathy on the parking. I think that they do need more parking
and I'm certainly torn with this application. I like the high end. I like the $400,000 units
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and people will just, excuse Mr. Bourdon, $500,00 units. I do think it is very massive but
there are other buildings on Shore Drive like Mr. Crabtree said that have been recently
built that are massive and do not fit in to the area also. It's just a real hard decision. I
know that the City and all the civic leagues are against it. And, with the parking, I have a
problem with that so I'm really torn. I'm interested in hearing what my fellow
Commissioners have to say.
Ronald Ripley: Well Mr. Scott, with regard to the parking and Mr. Bourdon mentioned
about possibility of making some improvements to Dupont Circle, which certainly will be
public parking but also would be an opportunity for visitors to use public parking also,
would that have any public benefit or is that something that you don't want to do at this
point in disturbing that land?
Robert Scott: I think there's really some limited opportunity. Let me put it this way.
When most people talk about providing parking in the Shore Drive area they're talking
about this site for public parking not the streets adjoining the site. There's been talk and
I've heard for many years in purchasing properties like this to build public parking lots
on it. I don't know if I like that idea too much but I've heard that idea but to use Dupont
Circle itself it doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of opportunity to use that limited bit
of roadway for public parking. And also, it's again time I guess to reemphasis the
importance of the dunes there. And you don't want to dig into the dunes just to put
parking in.
Ronald Ripley: No. I went out and walked this site and walked all over the dunes. Of
course, I had to walk on the dunes but I did walk around it to take a look at it and try to
get a sense of scale because that was a concern that I was hearing and a concern that staff
wrote about. And, on balance I think the, to me, it appears to be a natural stepping down
from the Chesapeake House to the lower residential to the west. I've heard mentioned
and I think Mr. Solomon mentioned that the Comprehensive Plan refers to this as open
space but that's kind of a "catch 22" because this open space plan reached out and put a
net over every piece of vacant space in the whole city I think. And, the discussion that
the Planning Commission had and I know with our doors people was that this should not
taint the property because if the city doesn't buy it, people have by -right uses and this is a
by -right use that this person has come in to ask for a rezoning. I think Jan points out a
good point. Prior to the Overlay Distnct by right could have been that exhibit that Mr
Bourdon handed out. It's the first time I've seen that. It's a pretty ugly building. I'm not
saying that's where we would end up, but we certainly could have ended up with
something pretty back quite frankly prior to the Overlay. So, it is good that we have the
Overlay. And, it is good that we have the public participation on what goes on to these
properties because I think we're all trying to improve Shore Drive and a lot of effort has
gone into that and I think we're seeing results along that Corridor. Two spaces per
apartment is probably... what is the minimum Mr. Scott? Is it less than two?
Robert Scott: Yeah. Can you tell me what the ordinance says on that?
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Ronald Ripley: Is it two for the first 50 or something? So it is two? So, two would be
the minimum? So, you have six over the minimum basically? That is a concern and I
think we've raised it too. I've talked to Mr. Bourdon about trying to actually access this
but it looks like the access to the units will be underneath the building into the elevators
and how that is treated will be up to the architect. I'm inclined given the high quality of
the property and I don't have that much problem with scale. I think it's encumbering a
lot of the property but on the other hand this dune is pushing the property forward and I
think that's part of the dilemma with this whole thing. And, on the other hand at the
same time I think the applicant is trying to create a high quality community. And, half
million -dollar condominiums is definitely high quality as far as I'm concerned. So, I will
probably be supporting this also. Is there anybody else? Would someone like to make a
motion?
William Din: I move to approve this application.
Ronald Ripley: Does that include the conditions that are in here?
William Din: The conditions state that it shall be limited to three stones in height.
Ronald Ripley: Does it include that condition? Conditions 1-4?
William Din: I don't think the applicant is agreeable to that.
Eddie Bourdon: We agree with all the conditions that the staff has recommended except
for condition five.
Ronald Ripley: So Will, what's your motion?
William Din: I'd like to approve the application without condition five.
Ronald Ripley: Do I have a second? Got a second by Barry Knight. So, were open for
discussion. Is there any discussion from the group? We can't talk anymore. We're in
the middle of discussing this motion now
Tim Solanic: I would just like to make one comment. Whenever the appropriate time
will be just to get it on the record because I wasn't given the opportunity to rebut Mr.
Bourdon.
Ronald Ripley: You don't have that opportunity. Your only opportunity to rebut is at
Council.
Tim Solanic: Right. I understand. I'm basically asking for someone to sponsor a
comment for the public record after you vote, before you vote. Anytime you feel
appropriate.
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Ronald Ripley: After we vote, you're welcome to come to City Council and put it on
record there.
Tim Solanic: Okay.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Thank you. Is there any discussion on the motion? We're ready
to vote.
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Ronald Ripley: By a vote of 6-3, the motion cames. Okay is that the last item to come
before us? I believe it is so this meeting is adjourned.
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ZONING HISTORY
1. Change of Zoning (Conditional B-1 Neighborhood Business District to 0-2
Office District) — Granted 7-5-00
Change of Zoning (0-2 Office District to Conditional B-1 Neighborhood
Business District) — Granted 8-11-98
2. Conditional Use Permit (communication tower) — Granted 8-11-98
Conditional Use Permit (beauty shop) — Denied 5-23-83
3. Conditional Use Permit (convalescent home) — Granted 2-25-97
4. Street Closure — Granted 9-14-81
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Street Closure — Portion of Honeygrove Way
ZONING HISTORY
1 5/25/99 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for indoor recreation — Granted
2 9/26/95 - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for communication tower —
Granted
3 2/8/88 — REZONING from B-2 Business to 0-1 Office - Granted
2/8/88 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for nursing home — Granted
4 10/9/72 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for hospital — Granted
10/10/88 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for hospital addn — Granted
4/26/94 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for hospital addn — Granted
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CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: City of Virginia Beach — Street Closure (Portion of Honeygrove Way)
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
An Ordinance upon Application of the City of Virginia Beach for the
discontinuance, closure and abandonment of a portion of Honeygrove Way,
beginning at a point 310.40 feet south of East Honeygrove Road DISTRICT 4 —
BAYS I DE
The purpose of this request is to accommodate the redevelopment of the
surrounding city -owned site for the Third Precinct of the Police Department and
the Bayside Library.
■ Considerations:
The subject portion of Honeygrove Way is an unimproved paper street.
There are no public water, sewer or storm drainage pipes in the area proposed
for closure.
The Viewers Committee has determined that the closure of a portion of
Honeygrove Way will not result in a public inconvenience. The land area will be
incorporated into the redevelopment site for the Third Police Precinct and
Bayside Library The main access to the new facilities will be in the area of the
existing Honeygrove Way right-of-way. Also, as part of the redevelopment, the
existing access on Independence Boulevard will be closed
The Planning Commission placed this item on the consent agenda because
closure of this portion of Honeygrove Way would provide a safer entry to the
Third Police Precinct and Bayside Library Staff recommended approval. There
was no opposition to the request
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 10-0 to approve
this request with the following conditions (The last sentence underlined in #1 below
was subsequently added by the City Attorney Office)
City of Virginia Beach — Honeygrove
Page 2 of 2
1. The City Attorney's Office shall make the final determination regarding
ownership of the underlying fee. The purchase price to be paid to the City
shall be determined according to the "Policy Regarding Purchase of City's
Interest in Streets Pursuant to Street Closures," approved by City Council.
(Copies of the policy are available in the Planning Department ) No
purchase price shall be charged in this street closure, however, because
the City is both the owner of the underlying fee and the applicant seeking
this street closure
2. The applicant shall resubdivide the property and vacate internal lot lines to
incorporate the closed area into the adjoining parcels. The plat shall be
submitted and approved for recordation prior to final street closure
approval
3 The applicant shall verify that no private utilities exist within the right-of-
way proposed for closure. If private utilities do exist, easements
satisfactory to the utility company shall be provided.
4 Closure of the right-of-way shall be contingent upon compliance with the
above stated conditions within 365 days of approval by City Council If the
conditions noted above are not accomplished and the final plat is not
approved within one year of the City Council vote to close the right-of-way
this approval shall be considered null and void
■ Attachments:
Staff Review
Ordinance
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Recommended Action: Staff recommends approval Planning Commission recommends
approval
Submitting Department/Agency:
City Manager. l
Planning Department
CITY OF VIRGINIA- BEACH / # 14
September 10, 2003
General Information:
APPLICATION
NUMBER: E05-21 1 -STC-2003
REQUEST: Street Closure
ADDRESS: Portion of Honeygrove Way, beginning at a point 310.4 feet south of
East Honeygrove Way.
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SITE SIZE: 8,725 square feet
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003V
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH / # 14 L`
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STAFF
PLANNER: Barbara J Duke
PURPOSE: To accommodate the redevelopment of the surrounding city -owned site
for the Third Precinct of the Police Department and the Bayside Library.
Land Use, Zoning, and Site
Characteristics:
Existing Land Use and Zoning
The subject portion of Honeygrove Way is an
unimproved paper street.
Surrounding Land Use and Zoning
North:
. Office / B-2 Community Business District
South:
. Third Police Precinct / R-10 Residential District
East:
. Bayside Library and single-family homes / R-10
Residential District
West:
. Bayside Library / R-10 Residential District
Zonin-q History
The majority of the residential and commercial areas surrounding this site were
developed during the 1970s
Public Facilities and Services
There are no public water, sewer or storm drainage pipes in the area proposed for
closure.
Private Utilities
Dominion Virginia Power, Virginia Natural Gas and Hampton Roads Sanitation District
are currently reviewing this request to determine if any private utilities exist within the
area proposed for closure
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH / # 14
Page 2
Comprehensive Plan
The subject site is within the Independence Boulevard Corridor in the Bayside Planning
Area Redevelopment is encouraged along this corridor with emphasis on limiting new
access points and enhancing roadside landscape treatments.
Evaluation of Request
The Viewers Committee has determined that the closure of a portion of Honeygrove
Way will not result in a public inconvenience. The land area will be incorporated into the
redevelopment site for the Third Police Precinct and Bayside Library. The main access
to the new facilities will be in the area of the existing Honeygrove Way right-of-way.
Also, as part of the redevelopment, the existing access on Independence Boulevard will
be closed. The Viewers Committee recommends approval of the request to close a
portion of Honeygrove Way for the City of Virginia Beach subject to the conditions listed
below
Conditions
1 The City Attorney's Office shall make the final determination regarding ownership
of the underlying fee. The purchase price to be paid to the City shall be
determined according to the "Policy Regarding Purchase of City's Interest in
Streets Pursuant to Street Closures," approved by City Council Copies of the
policy are available in the Planning Department.
2 The applicant shall resubdivide the property and vacate internal lot lines to
incorporate the closed area into the adjoining parcels. The plat shall be submitted
and approved for recordation prior to final street closure approval.
3 The applicant shall verify that no private utilities exist within the right-of-way
proposed for closure. If private utilities do exist, easements satisfactory to the
utility company shall be provided
4 Closure of the right-of-way shall be contingent upon compliance with the above
stated conditions within 365 days of approval by City Council. If the conditions
noted above are not accomplished and the final plat is not approved within one
year of the City Council vote to close the right-of-way this approval shall be
considered null and void.
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH / # 14
Page 3
NOTE: Further conditions may be required during the
administration of applicable City Ordinances.
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH 1 # 14
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Item # 14
City of Virginia Beach
An Ordinance upon Application of the City of Virginia Beach
for the discontinuance, closure and abandonment of a portion
of Honeygrove Way
District 4
Bayside
September 10, 2003
CONSENT
Dorothy Wood: The next item is Item #14, the City of Virginia Beach. It's an Ordinance
upon application of the City of Virginia Beach for the closure of Honeygrove Way
beginning east of Honeygrove Road. It has four conditions. It's in Bayside. Is there any
objection to Item #14, the City of Virginia Beach closing a portion of Honeygrove Way?
Hearing none. Gene, would you comment?
Eugene Crabtree. The closing of Honeygrove is just going to give more property and
land to the police department and the library in order to build their new structures that
they're going to build. It also amplifies by using Honeygrove as an entrance to this
amplifies the safety reason for closing the entrance on Independence Boulevard, which
enhances the use of that property for the city by the library and the police department.
Therefore, we felt like it was a good consent item to be placed on the agenda.
Dorothy Wood- Again, is there any objection to the City of Virginia Beach closing
Honeygrove Way? Hearing none. Mr. Ripley, I would move to approve this consent
agenda item number fourteen with four conditions the City of Virginia Beach closing a
portion of Honeygrove Way.
Ronald Ripley: We have a motion to approve this consent agenda item. Do I have a
seconds Seconded by Mr. Will Din Is there any discussion on the motions Okay, we'll
call for the question.
AYE 10 NAY 0
ANDERSON
AYE
CRABTREE
AYE
DIN
AYE
HORSLEY
KATSIAS
AYE
KNIGHT
AYE
MILLER
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AYE
STRANGE
AYE
WOOD
AYE
ABS 0 ABSENT 1
Ronald Ripley: By a vote of 10-0, the motion passes
ABSENT
Street Closure — Pomon of Honeygrove Way
ZONING HISTORY
1. 5/25/99 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for indoor recreation — Granted
2. 9/26/95 - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for communication tower —
Granted
3 2/8/88 — REZONING from B-2 Business to 0-1 Office - Granted
2/8/88 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for nursing home — Granted
4 10/9/72 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for hospital — Granted
10/10/88 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for hospital addn — Granted
4/26/94 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for hospital addn — Granted
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ORDINANCE NO.
IN THE MATTER OF CLOSING, VACATING AND
DISCONTINUING A PORTION OF THAT CERTAIN
STREET KNOWN AS HONEYGROVE WAY AS
SHOWN ON THAT CERTAIN PLAT ENTITLED "PLAT
SHOWING STREET CLOSURE OF A PORTION OF
HONEYGROVE WAY, CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH,
VIRGINIA"
WHEREAS, the City of Virginia Beach applied to the Council of the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, to have the hereinafter described street discontinued, closed, and
vacated, and
19 WHEREAS, it is the judgment of the Council that said street be discontinued,
20 closed, and vacated, subject to certain conditions having been met on or before one (1) year from
21 City Council's adoption of this Ordinance;
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23 NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED by the Council of the City of Virginia
24 Beach, Virginia.
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26 SECTION I
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28 That the hereinafter described street be discontinued, closed and vacated, subject
29 to certain conditions being met on or before one (1) year from City Council's adoption of this
30 ordinance:
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All that certain piece or parcel of land situate, lying and being in
the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, designated and described as
"RIGHT-OF-WAY HEREBY CLOSED. AREA = 85725 SQ FT "
shown as the cross -hatched area on that certain plat entitled.
"PLAT SHOWING STREET CLOSURE OF A PORTION OF
HONEYGROVE WAY, CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH,
VIRGINIA" Scale: 1" = 100', dated June 12, 2003, prepared by
Bureau of Surveys, Engineering Division, Department of Public
Works, City of Virginia Beach, said plat being attached hereto as
Exhibit A.
SECTION II
The following conditions must be met on or before one (1) year from City
50 Council's adoption of this ordinance
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1. The City Attorney's Office will make the final determination regarding
ownership of the underlying fee The purchase price to be paid to the City is normally
determined according to the "Policy Regarding Purchase of City's Interest in Streets Pursuant to
Street Closures," approved by City Council [Copies of said policy are available in the Planning
Department ] No purchase price shall be charged in this street closure, however, because the
City is both the owner of the underlying fee and the applicant seeking this street closure
2. The applicant shall resubdivide the property and vacate internal lot lines to
incorporate the closed area into the adjoining parcels The resubdivision plat shall be submitted
and approved for recordation prior to final street closure approval
3. The applicant shall venfy that no private utilities exist within the right-of-way
proposed for closure. Preliminary comments from the utility companies indicate that there are
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61 no private utilities within the right-of-way proposed for closure If private utilities do exist, the
62 applicant shall provide easements satisfactory to the utility companies.
63 4. Closure of the right-of-way shall be contingent upon compliance with the
64 above stated conditions within one year of approval by City Council. If all conditions noted
65 above are not in compliance and the final plat is not approved within one year of the City
66 Council vote to close the street, this approval will be considered null and void.
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71 1. If the preceding conditions are not fulfilled on or before October 27, 2004,
72 this Ordinance will be deemed null and void without further action by the City Council.
73 2. If all conditions are met on or before October 27, 2004, the date of final
74 closure is the date the street closure ordinance is recorded by the City Attorney.
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77 A certified copy of this Ordinance shall be filed in the Clerk's Office of the
78 Circuit Court of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, and indexed in the name of the CITY OF
79 VIRGINIA BEACH as "Grantor."
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Adopted by the Council of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, on this
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EXHIBIT A CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
BUREAU OF SURVEYS ENGINEERING DIVISION
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
DATE: JUNE 12, 2003 CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
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CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: City of Virginia Beach — Street Closure (Portion of Honeygrove Way)
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
An Ordinance upon Application of the City of Virginia Beach for the
discontinuance, closure and abandonment of a portion of Honeygrove Way,
beginning at a point 310.40 feet south of East Honeygrove Road. DISTRICT 4 —
BAYS I D E
The purpose of this request is to accommodate the redevelopment of the
surrounding city -owned site for the Third Precinct of the Police Department and
the Bayside Library.
■ Considerations:
The subject portion of Honeygrove Way is an unimproved paper street.
There are no public water, sewer or storm drainage pipes in the area proposed
for closure.
The Viewers Committee has determined that the closure of a portion of
Honeygrove Way will not result in a public inconvenience. The land area will be
incorporated into the redevelopment site for the Third Police Precinct and
Bayside Library. The main access to the new facilities will be in the area of the
existing Honeygrove Way right-of-way. Also, as part of the redevelopment, the
existing access on Independence Boulevard will be closed.
The Planning Commission placed this item on the consent agenda because
closure of this portion of Honeygrove Way would provide a safer entry to the
Third Police Precinct and Bayside Library. Staff recommended approval. There
was no opposition to the request.
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 10-0 to approve
this request with the following conditions (The last sentence underlined in #1 below
was subsequently added by the City Attorney Office):
The City Attorney's Office shall make the final determination regarding
ownership of the underlying fee. The purchase price to be paid to the City
shall be determined according to the "Policy Regarding Purchase of City's
Interest in Streets Pursuant to Street Closures," approved by City Council.
(Copies of the policy are available in the Planning Department.) No
purchase price shall be charged in this street closure, however, because
the City is both the owner of the underlying fee and the applicant seeking
this street closure.
2. The applicant shall resubdivide the property and vacate internal lot lines to
incorporate the closed area into the adjoining parcels. The plat shall be
submitted and approved for recordation prior to final street closure
approval.
3. The applicant shall verify that no private utilities exist within the right-of-
way proposed for closure. If private utilities do exist, easements
satisfactory to the utility company shall be provided.
4. Closure of the right-of-way shall be contingent upon compliance with the
above stated conditions within 365 days of approval by City Council. If the
conditions noted above are not accomplished and the final plat is not
approved within one year of the City Council vote to close the right-of-way
this approval shall be considered null and void.
■ Attachments:
Staff Review
Ordinance
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Recommended Action: Staff recommends approval Planning Commission recommends
approval.
Submitting Department/Agency: Planning Department
City Manager:
Item #14
City of Virginia Beach
An Ordinance upon Application of the City of Virginia Beach
for the discontinuance, closure and abandonment of a portion
of Honeygrove Way
District 4
Bayside
September 10, 2003
CONSENT
Dorothy Wood: The next item is Item #14, the City of Virginia Beach. It's an Ordinance
upon application of the City of Virginia Beach for the closure of Honeygrove Way
beginning east of Honeygrove Road. It has four conditions. It's in Bayside. Is there any
objection to Item #14, the City of Virginia Beach closing a portion of Honeygrove Way?
Hearing none. Gene, would you comment?
Eugene Crabtree: The closing of Honeygrove is just going to give more property and
land to the police department and the library in order to build their new structures that
they're going to build. It also amplifies by using Honeygrove as an entrance to this
amplifies the safety reason for closing the entrance on Independence Boulevard, which
enhances the use of that property for the city by the library and the police department.
Therefore, we felt like it was a good consent item to be placed on the agenda
Dorothy Wood: Again, is there any objection to the City of Virginia Beach closing
Honeygrove Way9 Hearing none. Mr Ripley, I would move to approve this consent
agenda item number fourteen with four conditions the City of Virginia Beach closing a
portion of Honeygrove Way.
Ronald Ripley: We have a motion to approve this consent agenda item. Do I have a
second? Seconded by Mr. Will Din. Is there any discussion on the motion? Okay, we'll
call for the question.
AYE 10 NAY 0
ANDERSON
AYE
CRABTREE
AYE
DIN
AYE
HORSLEY
KATSIAS
AYE
KNIGHT
AYE
MILLER
AYE
RIPLEY
AYE
SALLE'
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STRANGE
AYE
WOOD
AYE
ABS 0 ABSENT 1
Ronald Ripley: By a vote of 10-0, the motion passes.
ABSENT
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH / # 141
September 10, 2003
General Information:
APPLICATION
NUMBER: E05-21 1 -STC-2003
REQUEST: Street Closure
ADDRESS: Portion of Honeygrove Way, beginning at a point 310 4 feet south of
East Honeygrove Way.
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ELECTION
DISTRICT: 4 -- BAYSIDE
SITE SIZE. 8,725 square feet
Planning Commission Agenda
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September 10, 2003
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH / # 14
Page 1
STAFF
PLANNER: Barbara J Duke
PURPOSE: To accommodate the redevelopment of the surrounding city -owned site
for the Third Precinct of the Police Department and the Bayside Library.
Land Use, Zoning, and Site
Characteristics:
Existing Land Use and Zoning
The subject portion of Honeygrove Way is an
unimproved paper street
Surrounding Land Use and Zoning
North:
• Office / B-2 Community Business District
South:
• Third Police Precinct / R-10 Residential District
East:
Bayside Library and single-family homes / R-10
Residential District
West:
• Bayside Library / R-10 Residential District
Zoning History
The majority of the residential and commercial areas surrounding this site were
developed during the 1970s.
Public Facilities and Services
There are no public water, sewer or storm drainage pipes in the area proposed for
closure
Private Utilities
Dominion Virginia Power, Virginia Natural Gas and Hampton Roads Sanitation District
are currently reviewing this request to determine if any private utilities exist within the
area proposed for closure
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH / # 14
Page 2
Comprehensive Plan
The subject site is within the Independence Boulevard Corridor in the Bayside Planning
Area Redevelopment is encouraged along this corridor with emphasis on limiting new
access points and enhancing roadside landscape treatments
Evaluation of Request
The Viewers Committee has determined that the closure of a portion of Honeygrove
Way will not result in a public inconvenience The land area will be incorporated into the
redevelopment site for the Third Police Precinct and Bayside Library. The main access
to the new facilities will be in the area of the existing Honeygrove Way right-of-way.
Also, as part of the redevelopment, the existing access on Independence Boulevard will
be closed. The Viewers Committee recommends approval of the request to close a
portion of Honeygrove Way for the City of Virginia Beach subject to the conditions listed
below.
Conditions
1 The City Attorney's Office shall make the final determination regarding ownership
of the underlying fee. The purchase price to be paid to the City shall be
determined according to the "Policy Regarding Purchase of City's Interest in
Streets Pursuant to Street Closures," approved by City Council. Copies of the
policy are available in the Planning Department.
2. The applicant shall resubdivide the property and vacate internal lot lines to
incorporate the closed area into the adjoining parcels The plat shall be submitted
and approved for recordation prior to final street closure approval
3. The applicant shall verify that no private utilities exist within the right-of-way
proposed for closure. If private utilities do exist, easements satisfactory to the
utility company shall be provided.
4. Closure of the right-of-way shall be contingent upon compliance with the above
stated conditions within 365 days of approval by City Council. If the conditions
noted above are not accomplished and the final plat is not approved within one
year of the City Council vote to close the right-of-way this approval shall be
considered null and void
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH / # 14
Page 3
NOTE: Further conditions may be required during the
administration of applicable City Ordinances.
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH / # 14
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City of Virginia Beach
An Ordinance upon Application of the City of Virginia Beach
for the discontinuance, closure and abandonment of a portion
of Honeygrove Way
District 4
Bayside
September 10, 2003
CONSENT
Dorothy Wood: The next item is Item #14, the City of Virginia Beach. It's an Ordinance
upon application of the City of Virginia Beach for the closure of Honeygrove Way
beginning east of Honeygrove Road It has four conditions. It's in Bayside. Is there any
objection to Item #14, the City of Virginia Beach closing a portion of Honeygrove Way?
Hearing none. Gene, would you comment?
Eugene Crabtree: The closing of Honeygrove is just going to give more property and
land to the police department and the library in order to build their new structures that
they're going to build. It also amplifies by using Honeygrove as an entrance to this
amplifies the safety reason for closing the entrance on Independence Boulevard, which
enhances the use of that property for the city by the library and the police department.
Therefore, we felt like it was a good consent item to be placed on the agenda.
Dorothy Wood: Again, is there any objection to the City of Virginia Beach closing
Honeygrove Way? Hearing none. Mr. Ripley, I would move to approve this consent
agenda item number fourteen with four conditions the City of Virginia Beach closing a
portion of Honeygrove Way.
Ronald Ripley: We have a motion to approve this consent agenda item. Do I have a
second? Seconded by Mr. Will Din. Is there any discussion on the motion? Okay, we'll
call for the question.
AYE 10 NAY 0
ANDERSON
AYE
CRABTREE
AYE
DIN
AYE
HORSLEY
KATSIAS
AYE
KNIGHT
AYE
MILLER
AYE
RIPLEY
AYE
SALLE"
AYE
STRANGE
AYE
WOOD
AYE
ABS 0 ABSENT 1
Ronald Ripley: By a vote of 10-0, the motion passes
ABSENT
DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the applicant is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
If the applicant is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach list
If necessary)
Check here if the applicant is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
CERTIFICATION: I certify that the information contained herein is true and accurate.
understand that, upon receipt of notification (postcard) that the application has been
scheduled for public hearing, I am responsible for obtaining and posting the required
sign on the subject property at least 30 days prior to the scheduled public hearing
according to the instructions in this package.
Applicant's Signature
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Commercial) — Approved
7-8-85: Conditional Use Permit (Multiple -family dwellings) — Denied
2. 6-18-63: Rezoning (R-S3 Residence Suburban to C-G1 General
Commercial) — Approved
1-3-66: Conditional Use Permit (Gasoline Station) — Approved
11-27-90: Conditional Use Permit (tire installation) - Approved
Street Closure
ZONING HISTORY
1. 6-18-63: Rezoning (R-S3 Residence Suburban to L-Cl Limited
Commercial) — Approved
7-8-85: Conditional Use Permit (Multiple -family dwellings) — Denied
2. 6-18-63: Rezoning (R-S3 Residence Suburban to C-G1 General
Commercial) — Approved
1-3-66: Conditional Use Permit (Gasoline Station) — Approved
11-27-90: Conditional Use Permit (tire installation) - Approved
Item #26
Cavalier Golf and Yacht Club
Application of Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club for the
discontinuance, closure and abandonment of the
cul-de-sac at the eastern terminus of Tanager Trail
District 5
Lynnhaven
October 8, 2003
REGULAR
Dave Miller: For the record, I'm Dave Miller a local attorney representing the Cavalier
We are requesting the street closure. Cavalier is the petitioner. I think you've been
provided with a letter from the other two contiguous property owners. I'd ask that you
call for the question
Ronald Ripley: Do we have a motion? A motion by Dot Wood and seconded by Kathy
Katsias. Let's call for the question
AYE 10 NAY 0
ANDERSON
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ABSENT
Ronald Ripley: By a vote of 10-0, the motion carries. Is there anything else to come
before the Commission? This meeting is adjourned
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DISCLOSURE STATEMENY
Applicant's Name. Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club
List All Current International Investors, Denise M. Webb and
property Ownem. Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the applicant is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below.
(Attach list if necessary)
Del Corum, Ron Forresta, John Napolitano, Joe Robbins and
Bob Young, John Milieson,mgr.
If the applicant is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below. (Attach list
if necessary)
❑ Check here if the applicant is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
If the applicant is not the current owner of the property, complete the Property Ovmer
Disclosure section below:
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below.
(Attach fist if necessary)
Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club, Del Corum, Pon Forresta,
John Napolitano, Joe Robbins and Bob Young
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below.. (Attach list
if necessary)
International Investors: Llyod T. Tarbutton, gen. part.
0 Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation. partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization
CERTIFICATION: l certify that the information contained herein is trice
and accurate.
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Street Closure Application
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John S. Milleson
Print Name
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
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Conditions
1 The City Attorney's Office shall make the final determination regarding ownership
of the underlying fee. The purchase price to be paid to the City shall be
determined according to the "Policy Regarding Purchase of City's Interest in
Streets Pursuant to Street Closures," approved by City Council Copies of the
policy are available in the Planning Department
2. The applicant shall resubdivide the property and vacate internal lot lines to
incorporate the closed area into the adjoining parcels The plat shall be submitted
and approved for recordation prior to final street closure approval
3. The applicant shall verify that no private utilities exist within the right-of-way
proposed for closure. Preliminary comments from the utility companies indicate
that there are no private utilities within the right-of-way proposed for closure If
private utilities do exist, easements, satisfactory to the utility company shall be
provided
4. The applicant shall dedicate a twenty -foot public utility easement for maintenance
and repair of the 5-inch water line that is located at the southern edge of the
right-of-way, or shall relocate the waterline subject to the approval of the
Department of Public Utilities.
5. Closure of the right-of-way shall be contingent upon compliance with the above
stated conditions within 365 days of approval by City Council. If the conditions
noted above are not accomplished and the final plat is not approved within one
year of the City Council vote to close the right-of-way this approval shall be
considered null and void.
NOTE: Further conditions may be required during the
administration of applicable City Ordinances.
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB / # 18
Page 4
easement must be dedicated for maintenance and repair of the
water line No construction or encroachments will be permitted
within the easement (The applicant for the adjacent proposed
condominium project has indicated to staff that relocation of the
waterline, subject to the approval of the Public Utilities Department,
will also be explored)
Public Works
No comments.
Public Safety
Police: No Comments.
Fire and No Comments
Rescue:
Private Utilities
Dominion Virginia Power, Virginia Natural Gas and Hampton Roads Sanitation District
have no objections to the Street Closure request
Comprehensive Plan
The Comprehensive Plan map depicts this area as Suburban Residential / Low Density,
planned at or below 3.5 dwelling units to the acre
Evaluation of Request
The request to close a portion of Tanager Trail is acceptable. The cul-de-sac portion is
unimproved and not utilized by the public The viewers met and determined that the
proposed street closure would not present an inconvenience to the public Therefore
staff recommends approval of the request subject to the following conditions
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB / # 18
Page 3
PURPOSE: To close a portion of Tanager Trail and incorporate the closed portion
into a proposed condominium project.
Land Use, Zoning,
and Site
Characteristics:
Existing Land Use and
Zoning
The paved portion of the street
terminates just north of the cul-
de-sac, the portion of right-of-way
to be closed The paved portion
of the street is narrow and serves
only the single-family residences
along the south side of the right-
of-way.
Surrounding Land Use and Zoning
North: • The Cavalier Golf Course / R-40 Residential
South: • The Seashire Motor Inn / H-1 Hotel
East: • The Cavalier Golf Course / R-40 Residential and
• The Seashire Motor Inn / H-1 Hotel
West: • An office building and a single family dwelling / 0-
2 Office and R-15 Residential
Zoning History
The street was platted in February 1955 and is a part of the Birdneck Point subdivision.
Public Facilities and Services
Water and Sewer
There is a five (5) inch water line located within the proposed Street
Closure area of the cul-de-sac A twenty -foot public utility
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB / # 18
Page 2
CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB / # 181
September 10, 2003
General Information:
APPLICATION
NUMBER: L06-215-STC-2003
REQUEST: Street Closure
ADDRESS: The eastern terminus of Tanager Trail (the cul-de-sac)
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DISTRICT: 5 - LYNNHAVEN
SITE SIZE' 0.167 acres (7,307 square feet)
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2 The applicant shall resubdivide the property and vacate internal lot lines to
incorporate the closed area into the adjoining parcels. The plat shall be
submitted and approved for recordation prior to final street closure
approval.
3. The applicant shall verify that no private utilities exist within the right-of-
way proposed for closure. Preliminary comments from the utility
companies indicate that there are no private utilities within the right-of-way
proposed for closure. If private utilities do exist, easements, satisfactory to
the utility company shall be provided.
4. The applicant shall dedicate a twenty -foot public utility easement for
maintenance and repair of the 5-inch water line that is located at the
southern edge of the right-of-way, or shall relocate the waterline subject to
the approval of the Department of Public Utilities.
5. Closure of the right-of-way shall be contingent upon compliance with the
above stated conditions within 365 days of approval by City Council. If the
conditions noted above are not accomplished and the final plat is not
approved within one year of the City Council vote to close the right-of-way
this approval shall be considered null and void.
■ Attachments:
Staff Review
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Ordinance
Recommended Action: Staff recommends approval. Planning Commission recommends
approval.
Submitting Department/Agency:
City Manager:
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AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club — Street Closure (Portion of Tanager Trail)
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
Application of Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club for the discontinuance, closure and
abandonment of the cul-de-sac at the eastern terminus of Tanager Trail.
DISTRICT 5 — LYNNHAVEN
The purpose of this request is to close a portion of Tanager Trail and incorporate
the closed portion into a proposed condominium project.
■ Considerations:
The paved portion of the street terminates just north of the cul-de-sac, the portion
of right-of-way to be closed. The paved portion of the street is narrow and serves
only the single-family residences along the south side of the right-of-way.
The street was platted in February 1955 and is a part of the Birdneck Point
subdivision.
The request to close a portion of Tanager Trail is acceptable. The cul-de-sac
portion is unimproved and not utilized by the public. The viewers met and
determined that the proposed street closure would not present an inconvenience
to the public.
Staff recommended approval. There was no opposition to the request.
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 10-0 to
approve this request with the following conditions:
1. The City Attorney's Office shall make the final determination regarding
ownership of the underlying fee. The purchase price to be paid to the City
shall be determined according to the "Policy Regarding Purchase of City's
Interest in Streets Pursuant to Street Closures," approved by City Council
Copies of the policy are available in the Planning Department.
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IN THE MATTER OF CLOSING, VACATING AND
DISCONTINUING A PORTION OF THAT CERTAIN
STREET KNOWN AS TANAGER TRAIL AS SHOWN
ON THAT CERTAIN PLAT ENTITLED "EXHIBIT
SHOWING STREET CLOSURE PLAT EASTERN
TERMINUS OF TANAGER TRAIL BIRDNECK POINT,
CLUB SECTION, M.B 27, P. 35, M B.38, P.3, VIRGINIA
BEACH, VIRGINIA"
WHEREAS, Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club applied to the Council of the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, to have the hereinafter described street discontinued, closed, and
vacated; and
21 WHEREAS, it is the judgment of the Council that said street be discontinued,
22 closed, and vacated, subject to certain conditions having been met on or before one (1) year from
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NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED by the Council of the City of Virginia
Beach, Virginia:
SECTION I
That the hereinafter described street be discontinued, closed and vacated, subject
to certain conditions being met on or before one (1) year from City Council's adoption of this
ordinance:
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All that certain piece or parcel of land situate, lying and being in
the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, designated and described as
"AREA OF STREET CLOSURE, (7,307 sq. ft /0.167 acres) as
shown as the cross -hatched area on that certain plat entitled:
"EXHIBIT SHOWING STREET CLOSURE PLAT EASTERN
TERMINUS OF TANAGER TRAIL, BIRDNECK POINT CLUB
SECTION, M.B. 27, P. 35, M B. 38, P. 3, VIRGINIA BEACH,
VIRGINIA", Scale: 1" = 40', dated May 5, 2003, prepared by
Gallup Surveyors & Engineers, LTD, a copy of which is attached
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The following conditions must be met on or before one (1) year from City
Council's adoption of this ordinance:
1. The City Attorney's Office will make the final determination regarding
ownership of the underlying fee. The purchase price to be paid to the City shall be determined
according to the "Policy Regarding Purchase of City's Interest in Streets Pursuant to Street
Closures," approved by City Council. Copies of said policy are available in the Planning
Department
2. The applicant shall resubdivide the property and vacate internal lot lines to
incorporate the closed area into the adjoining parcels. The resubdivision plat shall be submitted
and approved for recordation prior to final street closure approval.
3. The applicant shall verify that no private utilities exist within the right-of-
way proposed for closure. Prelinrunary comments from the utility companies indicate that there
are no private utilities within the right-of-way proposed for closure. If private utilities do exist,
the applicant shall provide easements satisfactory to the utility companies.
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above stated conditions within one year of approval by City Council. If all conditions noted
above are not in compliance and the final plat is not approved within one year of the City
Council vote to close the street, this approval will be considered null and void
SECTION III
1 If the preceding conditions are not fulfilled on or before October 27, 2004,
this Ordinance will be deemed null and void without further action by the City Council.
2 If all conditions are met on or before October 27, 2004, the date of final
closure is the date the street closure ordinance is recorded by the City Attorney.
3 In the event the City of Virginia Beach has any interest in the underlying
fee, the City Manager or his designee is authorized to execute whatever documents, if any, that
may be requested to convey such interest, provided said documents are approved by the City
Attorney's Office.
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A certified copy of this Ordinance shall be filed in the Clerk's Office of the
Circuit Court of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, and indexed in the name of the CITY OF
VIRGINIA BEACH as "Grantor" and CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB as "Grantee "
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AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club — Street Closure (Portion of Tanager Trail)
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
Application of Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club for the discontinuance, closure and
abandonment of the cul-de-sac at the eastern terminus of Tanager Trail. DISTRICT 5 —
LYNNHAVEN
The purpose of this request is to close a portion of Tanager Trail and incorporate the
closed portion into a proposed condominium project.
This request was deferred at the August Planning Commission hearing to provide time
to address several outstanding issues. The request was deferred at the September
hearing due to an advertising error on a related agenda item.
■ Considerations:
The paved portion of the street terminates just north of the cul-de-sac, the portion of
right-of-way to be closed. The paved portion of the street is narrow and serves only the
single-family residences along the south side of the right-of-way.
The street was platted in February 1955 and is a part of the Birdneck Point subdivision.
The request to close a portion of Tanager Trail is acceptable. The cul-de-sac portion is
unimproved and not utilized by the public. The viewers met and determined that the
proposed street closure would not present an inconvenience to the public.
Staff recommended approval. There was no opposition to the request.
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 10-0 to approve this
request with the following conditions:
1. The City Attorney's Office shall make the final determination regarding ownership
of the underlying fee. The purchase price to be paid to the City shall be
determined according to the "Policy Regarding Purchase of City's Interest in
Streets Pursuant to Street Closures," approved by City Council. Copies of the
policy are available in the Planning Department.
2. The applicant shall resubdivide the property and vacate internal lot lines to
incorporate the closed area into the adjoining parcels. The plat shall be submitted
and approved for recordation prior to final street closure approval.
3. The applicant shall verify that no private utilities exist within the right-of-way
proposed for closure. Preliminary comments from the utility companies indicate
that there are no private utilities within the right-of-way proposed for closure. If
private utilities do exist, easements, satisfactory to the utility company shall be
provided.
4. The applicant shall dedicate a twenty -foot public utility easement for maintenance
and repair of the 5-inch water line that is located at the southern edge of the
right-of-way, or shall relocate the waterline subject to the approval of the
Department of Public Utilities.
5. Closure of the right-of-way shall be contingent upon compliance with the above
stated conditions within 365 days of approval by City Council. If the conditions
noted above are not accomplished and the final plat is not approved within one
year of the City Council vote to close the right-of-way this approval shall be
considered null and void.
■ Attachments:
Staff Review
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Ordinance
Recommended Action: Staff recommends approval Planning Commission recommends
approval.
Submitting Department/Agency: Planning Department
City Manager:
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Zoning Enforcement (757) 427-8074
Fax (757) 427-4696
Planning Evaluation (757) 427-4621
Fax (757) 426-5667
MEMORANDUM
October 9, 2003
TO: Wally Smith
City Attorney's Office
FROM: Barbara Duke 6V000,
Current Planning
SUBJECT: Street Closure for Cavalier Golf and Yacht Club (Portion of Tanager
Trail)
The above referenced street closure application was recommended for approval
by the Planning Commission at it's October 8, 2003 Public Hearing. This item
has been expedited by the Planning Director and is scheduled for the October
28, 2003 City Council Hearing. Attached are the meeting minutes, agenda
request form and staff report. If you have any questions or need any more
information, please call me at 427-4901 Thanks for your help.
Item #26
Cavalier Golf and Yacht Club
Application of Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club for the
discontinuance, closure and abandonment of the
cul-de-sac at the eastern terminus of Tanager Trail
District 5
Lynnhaven
October 8, 2003
REGULAR
Dave Miller. For the record, I'm Dave Miller a local attorney representing the Cavalier
We are requesting the street closure. Cavalier is the petitioner. I think you've been
provided with a letter from the other two contiguous property owners. I'd ask that you
call for the question
Ronald Ripley Do we have a motion? A motion by Dot Wood and seconded by Kathy
Katsias. Let's call for the question.
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ABSENT
Ronald Ripley By a vote of 10-0, the motion carries Is there anything else to come
before the Commission? This meeting is adjourned.
CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB / # 26]
October 8, 2003
General Information:
APPLICATION
NUMBER: L06-215-STC-2003
REQUEST: Street Closure
ADDRESS: The eastern terminus of Tanager Trail (the cul-de-sac)
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SITE SIZE: 0.167 acres (7,307 square feet)
STAFF
PLANNER: Faith Christie
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PURPOSE: To close a portion of Tanager Trail and incorporate the closed portion
into a proposed condominium project.
APPLICATION This request was deferred at the August Planning Commission hearing
HISTORY: to provide time to address several outstanding issues. The request
was deferred at the September hearing due to an advertising error on
a related agenda item.
Land Use, Zoning,
and Site
Characteristics:
Existing Land Use and
Zoning
The paved portion of the street
terminates just north of the cul-
de-sac, the portion of right-of-way
to be closed. The paved portion
of the street is narrow and serves
only the single-family residences
along the south side of the right-
of-way.
Surrounding Land Use and Zoning
North: . The Cavalier Golf Course / R-40 Residential
South: . The Seashire Motor Inn / H-1 Hotel
East: • The Cavalier Golf Course / R-40 Residential and
• The Seashire Motor Inn / H-1 Hotel
West: • An office building and a single family dwelling / 0-
2 Office and R-15 Residential
Zoning History
The street was platted in February 1955 and is a part of the Birdneck Point subdivision.
Planning Commission Agenda
October 8, 2003
CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB / # 26
Page 2
Public Facilities and Services
Water and Sewer
There is a five (5) inch water line located within the proposed Street
Closure area of the cul-de-sac. A twenty -foot public utility
easement must be dedicated for maintenance and repair of the
water line. No construction or encroachments will be permitted
within the easement. (The applicant for the adjacent proposed
condominium project has indicated to staff that relocation of the
waterline, subject to the approval of the Public Utilities Department,
will also be explored).
Public Works
No comments.
Public Safety
Police:
Fire and
Rescue:
No Comments.
No Comments
Private Utilities
Dominion Virginia Power, Virginia Natural Gas and Hampton Roads Sanitation District
have no objections to the Street Closure request.
Comprehensive Plan
The Comprehensive Plan map depicts this area as Suburban Residential / Low Density,
planned at or below 3.5 dwelling units to the acre.
Evaluation of Request
The request to close a portion of Tanager Trail is acceptable. The cul-de-sac portion is
unimproved and not utilized by the public. The viewers met and determined that the
Planning Commission Agenda
October 8, 2003
CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB / # 26
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proposed street closure would not present an inconvenience to the public. Therefore
staff recommends approval of the request subject to the following conditions.
Conditions
1. The City Attorneys Office shall make the final determination regarding ownership
of the underlying fee. The purchase price to be paid to the City shall be
determined according to the "Policy Regarding Purchase of City's Interest in
Streets Pursuant to Street Closures," approved by City Council. Copies of the
policy are available in the Planning Department.
2. The applicant shall resubdivide the property and vacate internal lot lines to
incorporate the closed area into the adjoining parcels. The plat shall be submitted
and approved for recordation prior to final street closure approval.
3. The applicant shall verify that no private utilities exist within the right-of-way
proposed for closure. Preliminary comments from the utility companies indicate
that there are no private utilities within the right-of-way proposed for closure. if
private utilities do exist, easements, satisfactory to the utility company shall be
provided.
4. The applicant shall dedicate a twenty -foot public utility easement for maintenance
and repair of the 5-inch water line that is located at the southern edge of the
right-of-way, or shall relocate the waterline subject to the approval of the
Department of Public Utilities.
5. Closure of the right-of-way shall be contingent upon compliance with the above
stated conditions within 365 days of approval by City Council. If the conditions
noted above are not accomplished and the final plat is not approved within one
year of the City Council vote to close the right-of-way this approval shall be
considered null and void.
NOTE: Further conditions may be required during the
administration of applicable Cit
y Ordinances.
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October 8, 2003
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Stephen White - October 28, 2003 docket
From- "Terry Baker' <tbaker@breitdrescher com>
To- <caksmith@vbgov com>
Date 10/22/2003 11 04 AM
Subject October 28, 2003 docket
Ms Smith, please accept this note as a request to withdraw our application for subdivision variance request which
I understand is on the docket for October 28, 2003 Our property address is 936 East Sparrow Road, Virginia
Beach, VA 23464 If any further information is needed, feel free to call me at work as Jeff is out of town today
670-3833 Sincerely, Teresa G and Jeffery L Baker
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Subdivision Variance
ZONING HISTORY
1. 9-28-99 -- Subdivision Variance — Granted
2. 4-27-99 -- Conditional Use Permit (community boat dock) — Granted
3. 1-13-98 -- Subdivision Variance — Granted
4. 8-22-95 -- Subdivision Variance — Denied
5. 1-28-92 -- Subdivision Variance — Granted
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: Jeffery L. Baker — Subdivision Variance
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
Appeal to Decisions of Administrative Officers in regard to certain elements of the
Subdivision Ordinance, Subdivision for Jeffery L Baker Property is located at
936 East Sparrow Road (GPIN 1447913309) DISTRICT 2 — KEMPSVILLE
The purpose of this request is to subdivide the existing parcel into two (2) lots, of
which, only one (1) would have the required lot width of 80 feet. The proposed
flag lot is depicted with approximately 24 feet at the front yard setback (the
location where the lot width is measured)
■ Considerations:
The property is currently zoned R-10 Residential District There is an existing two
(2)-story brick single-family dwelling on the site A Subdivision Variance was
granted on this site on September 28, 1999 The 2 77-acre site was subdivided
into two (2) parcels (lot A-2 with 1.449 acres and lot A-1 with 1 321 acres). Lot A-
2 is a substandard flag lot with 15 feet of lot width. A portion of the property was
dedicated to the City to enable direct frontage on a City street for both parcels.
It is the intent of the applicant to subdivide the 1 321 acre parcel created as part
of the 1999 Subdivision Variance into two (2) separate sites lot A-1 with 21,783
square feet and 24 feet of lot width (at the front yard setback) and lot A-1-A with
35,781 square feet and 86 feet of lot width
Staff recommended denial. There was opposition to this proposal
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 9-0 with 1
abstention to deny this request
The applicant has contacted the staff and indicated a desire to withdraw
this application. A copy of an email from the applicant is attached.
Jeffrey Baker
Page 2 of 2
■ Attachments:
Email requesting Withdrawal of Application
Staff Review
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Recommended Action: Staff recommends that the applicant be allowed to withdraw per his
request Planning Commission recommends denial
Submitting Department/Agency: Planning Department
City Manager: Ir
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JEFFERY L. BAKE.ER:/:#: 10
General Information:
APPLICATION
NUMBER: A07-210-SVR-2003
REQUEST:
ADDRESS:
GPIN:
September 10, 2003
Subdivision Variance to Section 4 4(b) of the Subdivision Ordinance that
requires all newly created lots meet all the requirements of the City Zoning
Ordinance
936 East Sparrow Road
14479133090000
Subdiviswn Variance
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
JEFFERY L. BAKER / # 10
Page 1
ELECTION
DISTRICT: 2 - KEMPSVILLE
SITE SIZE 1.321 acres
STAFF
PLANNER: Carolyn A K. Smith
PURPOSE: To subdivide the existing parcel into two (2) lots, of which, only one (1)
would have the required lot width of 80 feet. The proposed flag lot is
depicted with approximately 24 feet at the front yard setback (the location
where the lot width is measured)
Major Issues: "{
• Evidence of a hardship justifying-,
granting of a variance to the
requirements of the Subdivision
Ordinance
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Site Plan / Preliminary Plat:', ,$
Existing Lot: The existing lot is 1.321 acres and
contains a single-family dwelling on the site
There is also a flag lot immediately adjacent to thet ti
north that contains 1 44 acres The proposed new
flag lot would be in between these two ) sites
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subdivide the existing 1 321 acre parcel into two
(2) separate sites lot A-1 with 21,783 square feet,
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Access to the new Parcel A-1 is not clear, as a revised ingress/egress agreement
granting legal access to this site has not been submitted. Parcel A-2 is identified as the
"Grantor" in the original easement recorded in 1999 that provides access to the existing
Parcel A-1 (the parcel under consideration), and as such, any modification to the access
that proposes to utilize this existing easement identified on the plat must also be
granted by the Grantor (Parcel A-2)
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
JEFFERY L. BAKER / # 10
Page 3
Land Use, Zoning, and Site
Characteristics
Existinq Land Use and Zoning
The property is currently zoned R-10
Residential District There is an existing two
(2)-story brick single-family dwelling on the
site
Surrounding Land Use and Zoning
North:
Elizabeth River
South:
• Single family dwellings / R-10 Residential District
East:
East Sparrow Road, Single family dwellings / R-10
Residential District
West:
Single family dwelling / R-10 Residential District
Zoning History
A Subdivision Variance was granted on this site (Number 1 on map) on September 28,
1999. The 2.77-acre site was subdivided into two (2) parcels (lot A-2 with 1.449 acres
and lot A-1 with 1.321 acres). Lot A-2 is a substandard flag lot with 15 feet of lot width.
A portion of the property was dedicated to the City to enable direct frontage on a City
street for both parcels. There were four (4) conditions attached to that approval-
1. A preliminary and final plat shall be submitted to the Development Services
Center for approval and recordation
2. Site plans for the two lots shall also be submitted to the Development Services
Center for approval
3. The only land disturbance allowed within the Chesapeake Bay Preservation Area
(CBPA) buffer is the removal of the existing structure, the removal of the existing
asphalt drive and the construction of the proposed gravel drive.
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September 10, 2003
JEFFERY L. BAKER / # 10
Page 4
4. Buffer restoration,
utilizing bayscape
landscaping principles,
equal to the amount of
land disturbance within
the Chesapeake Bay
Preservation Area buffer
shall be provided
downslope of the land
disturbance.
Upon inspection of this site, it
was determined that Condition
4 has not been fulfilled. Staff
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Area Ordinance is reviewing this potential violation
The adjoining parcel to the west (Number 3 on map) was also granted a Subdivision
Variance in 1998 to minimum lot width, however, the deviation from City standards was
far less One (1) of the three (3) parcels created under this request was approved with
only 70 feet of lot width rather than the 80 feet required under the R-10 Residential
District zoning A Conditional Use Permit was granted in April of 1999 for exclusive use
of two (2) of these parcels for the construction of a Community Boat Dock at the east
end of East Sparrow Road on parcel C-2 Parcel C-2 is not a buildable site and
provides waterfront access (ingress/egress) for these two (2) homeowners
Another Subdivision Variance was granted in the vicinity on a parcel on Pinewood Court
(Number 5) The deviation in lot width, however, was much less than requested with the
current variance application, as the lot requiring a variance has 66 feet of frontage
rather than the 80 feet required
A request on Bob White Lane (Number 4) was denied in 1995. Two (2) of the four (4)
proposed lots required variances to lot width, each having only 20 feet of frontage
Air Installation Compatible Use Zone (AICUZ)
The site is in an AICUZ of less than 65dB Ldn surrounding NAS Oceana.
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
JEFFERY L. BAKER / # 10
Page 5
Public Facilities and Services
Water and Sewer
City water and sewer services are available to this site; however, services end at the 90
degree turn in East Sparrow Road Any new development must connect to both public
water and sewer. A private grinder pump may be necessary for the connection to the
sewer service A Professional Engineer must ultimately verify all property grades of the
proposed dwelling to confirm if gravity sewer is feasible
Transportation
Traffic Calculations:
Street Name
Present
Present
Generated Traffic
Volume
Ca acit
No data
No data
Existing Land Use —10 ADT
East Sparrow Road
available
available
2
Proposed Land Use — 20 ADT
as defined by one (1) single-family dwelling
2 as defined by the addition of another single-family dwelling
Public Safety
Police: Adequate — no further comments
Fire and Adequate — no further comments.
Rescue:
Comprehensive Plan
The Comprehensive Plan recommends this area for uses at or below 3.5 dwelling units
per acre.
Evaluation of Request
Staff evaluation of a Subdivision Variance is based on several factors, including the
degree of compliance with City ordinances and regulations, consistency with the
Comprehensive Plan, and adherence to good accepted land use and development
practices and theory Personal hardship does not enter into the Staffs evaluation.
Above all, Staffs evaluation is based on Section 9.3 of the Subdivision Ordinance,
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
JEFFERY L. BAKER / # 10
Page 6
which addresses variances to the ordinance. Section 9.3 of the Subdivision Ordinance
states
Section 9 3 of the Subdivision Ordinance states.
No variance shall be authorized by the Council unless it finds that
A Strict application of the ordinance would produce undue hardship.
B The authorization of the variance will not be of substantial detriment to
adjacent property, and the character of the neighborhood will not be
adversely affected
C The problem involved is not of so general or recurring a nature as to make
reasonably practicable the formulation of general regulations to be
adopted as an amendment to the ordinance.
D The hardship is created by the physical character of the property,
including dimensions and topography, or by other extraordinary situation
or condition of such property, or by the use or development of property
immediately adjacent thereto Personal or self-inflicted hardship shall not
be considered as grounds for the issuance of a variance
E The hardship is created by the requirements of the zoning district in which
the property is located at the time the variance is authorized whenever
such variance pertains to provisions of the Zoning Ordinance incorporated
by reference in this ordinance.
A Subdivision Variance request in the vicinity, similar to the current application in regard
to lot width, was denied in 1995 on Bob White Lane Two (2) of the four (4) proposed
lots required variances to lot width, each having only 20 feet of frontage rather than the
80 feet required The 1995 application was denied as both proposed flag lots varied
greatly from the required lot width where no true hardship was presented The same
exists with the current request, as no legitimate hardship has been established.
In 1999, when the Subdivision Variance that created the subject parcel was granted, the
parcel was deemed unusual in size and depth for the surrounding neighborhood and the
existing zoning This area is characterized by large lots in excess of minimum lot sizes
based partly on the fact that City water and sewer were not available to this area until
the late 1990s
Staff cannot support this request for an additional substandard lot, as there is no
genuine hardship There are lots similar to the existing lot in terms of size, configuration
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
JEFFERY L. BAKER / # 10
Page 7
and access in close proximity to this site It would be unwise to `open the door' for other
property owners to explore similar opportunities where a genuine hardship does not
exist. Based on these factors, staff recommends that this request for a Subdivision
Variance be denied
NOTE: Upon granting of a subdivision variance, a final subdivision
plat must be submitted to the Development Services Center
for approval and recordation.
Further conditions may be required during the
administration of applicable City Ordinances.
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
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DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
Applicant's Name:
List All Current
Property Owners:., a .�
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the applicant is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list rf necessary)
If the applicant is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below. (Attach list
if necessary)
Check here if the applicant is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization
if the applicant is not the current owner of the property, complete the Property Owner
Disclosure section below.
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
If the roe owner is a PARTNERSHIP FIRM or other UNINCORPORATED
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ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below- (Attach list
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unincorporated organization
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Item # 10
Jeffery L. Baker
Appeal to Decisions of Administrative Officers in regard
to certain elements of the Subdivision Ordinance
936 East Sparrow Road
District 2
Kempsville
September 10, 2003
REGULAR
Robert Miller: The next item is Item #10, Jeffrey L. Baker.
Jeffery Baker: Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Jeff Baker. I reside 936
East Sparrow Road. I'm here to represent myself on the request for the variance of
rezoning. The variance was applied for to reduce the required frontage for residential lot
development as shown that you have reviewed previously. In the staff meeting, the
question seems to be hardship in this case. Basically, where we are there on the river and
this being an older development, potentially I guess the hardship is the right-of-way that
the City of Virginia Beach has available to you because the only other way to possibly
gain more would be to drain the Eastern Branch of the Elizabeth River and that's not
obviously not going to happen so it puts an encumbrance on this property to potentially
even subdivide it and development it any further than it is. My conversations with staff, I
have primarily submitted a site plan to Rick Scarper and he's administratively agreed that
as long as the house on the property could be out of the RPA area that CBPA wouldn't
have an issue with the subdivision as well I have copies for you that I would like to
present to you so you can see exactly what type of square footage the house would take
on this parcel, if I may? The house located on the parcel itself meets the overall intent of
all the setbacks. Again, with the exception of what the variance is applied for. As far as
access ability to the site, currently Mr. McLawhorn and myself have an easement
agreement. He's opposing at this point. Quite frankly, I didn't feel it appropriate to
approach him without a modification to this agreement without having a variance
approved because I know how difficult that can be with CBPA and with everything else
you have to go through. So, the intent was that on my existing parcel to reconfigure an
access drive on my property which I also have a plan which is tentatively before DSC and
has been tentatively approved by the administration of CBPA also that I'd like to submit
for you to review which shows an alternate access route for the existing house that is
there now through the gate which was originally existing to the parcel as it stood as a
three -acre parcel. I would have access to my property at that point. The new parcel that
would be divided would be the only single house that would be using the access easement
that was agreed to with Mr. McLawhorn for two -house use basically for that road. From
a traffic perspective, it's not going to increase the use of traffic on that road at this point.
Being there are residents there now we only have two vehicles mine, and my wife's that
come in and out of the access itself. There's more traffic that is seen on the access road
by Mr. McLawhom's activities on site. He conducts a construction business out of his
residence there so he has multiple clients, vendors and suppliers and things like that using
Item # 10
Jeffery L. Baker
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that road quite substantially during the day and evenings. Some concern at times was I
have a 12 year old and a 4 year old and I've had to on occasions had to speak to Mr.
McLawhorn about traffic speed and so forth on the access that is there currently now.
The intent was to be able to subdivide this lot and to provide a better use for which the
residents on the lot itself. I also have a copy of the building plan that I have shown the
elevations if you would like to review those as well. The Wood property, which are
conducive to the majority of the architecture that is used on lot of the new homes there in
the residence that have been built around the area. The lot usage itself has zoning of R-
10 on it, which requires 10,000 square feet per space and you have sites today that
arerezoned and developed with 5,000 and less on them on cul-de-sacs and subdivisions.
This parcel itself you'll have roughly about 3,700 square feet of building space on 22,000
square foot lot with the driveway incorporated. You probably got 3,000 square feet of
space so you're looking at about 1-3 ratio development to green space. There are parcels
right down from this that were previously approved even though they have only 80 foot
frontage, the parcels themselves are only 12,000 square feet and they have 3,000 square
feet of concrete. They have a 3,000-4,000 square foot house and a 1,500 square foot
detached garage on the parcel. So, that's about three building area 3-1 for the use of the
property and over half of what I've just shared with you is in the RPA. So, I think for the
use of this property other than the fact the road frontages is the reason for the variance. I
think it's very applicable. And, being able to develop a house there and provide another
residence in the city and you're looking at potentially $200,0004300,000 worth of tax
revenue of the next 15-20 years from this parcel.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any questions of Mr. Baker?
Dorothy Wood: How long have you owned the property Mr. Balser?
Jeffery Baker: I have been there since 1999. Mr. McLawhorn and myself originally
looked at the Linwood Ireland's parcels, which are west of this property. Unbeknown to
each other, we each were looking at buying those parcels when we happen to stumble on
to this parcel being out there at the same time. And, together we're able to secure this
property. I've known Mr. McLawhorn for over 20 years.
Dorothy Wood: So sir, you're the one then that subdivided it the first time? Is that
correct?
Jeffery Baker: Mr. McLawhorn subdivided it with my assistance or our assistance for us
being able to secure the property. At that time, it was a conversation around the
neighborhood at that time that there was concern that being zoned R-10 you would have
somebody that would come in and do something like a Jonathan's Cove and try and put
8-10 homes in there and that was one thing that everybody seemed to be opposed of sort
of the majority of the neighborhood down Sparrow Road using it as a park facility for a
long time. I think feelings were a little hard over the development of the park parcel. But
I think the property itself is a very beautiful piece of property It lends itself to a better
use of a house or a residence on that property. I was proposing to put my garage over on
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that side but once it was determined how much acreage there actually was it just made
more sense to do that.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any other questions? Will.
William Din: You described the access. You're going to change your access with the
original gate, which is further down the road near the pier.
Jeffery Baker: Yes sir.
William Din: I guess the existing egress access would be turned over to the new piece of
property?
Jeffery Baker: Yes sir. My understanding is that typically when an easement is granted
it runs with the property, however, there seems to be a question of Grantee versus
Grantor in this issue. My full intention was that the new residence basically would use
the entryway where our current entrance is now and maintain the easement agreement
that I have with Mr. McLawhorn in full so he's no way encumbered at all.
William Din: I guess my question is the letter from Mr. McLawhorn indicates he is not
in favor of sharing that easement with a new lot. I don't know where we stand on that as
far as the Grantor on that. Kay, can that be done?
Kay Wilson: Will, you need to see the egress/ingress agreement to know how it was
worded and who it was for the benefit of as to know whether or not he had an argument
and if he has an objection to the new thing, it would be a simple matter to handle.
William Din: He's not in agreement to granting an easement there.
Kay Wilson: There may not be an easement that we can recognize. I don't have a copy
of the agreement. I have no idea who it went too.
William Din: So, it's not really up to Mr. Baker to determine whether he can do his
easement and let the other lot have rights to that easement?
Kay Wilson: That's pretty much it, again, the agreement would address that issue. I
don't think he can unilaterally say I'm going to give it to somebody else. I haven't seen
the agreement I can't tell you that for sure.
Jeffery Baker: I think the question is whether the easement can be reassigned. In
speaking with an attorney, it would have to be an agreement between me, and Mr
McLawhorn on the use of that. I think he understood the intended use by Mr.
McLawhorn obviously it was that more than one house beside his own would be using
that and that is obviously is not the intent. When I had spoken to Mr. McLawhorn
previously on the phone I conveyed that to him because he was concerned that there was
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going to "high traffic" but I guess if you run your construction business out of your home
you don't get much more high traffic than that and the actual use of the easement by two
houses instead of one house. By the redesign and relocation of my entrance drive onto
Sparrow Road the way the easement is set up there will still only be one house besides
Mr. McLawhorn using the easement.
William Din: If I remember correctly when this was originally subdivided wasn't the
plan to put more than two lots into this area?
Jeffery Baker: Not that I'm aware of.
William Din: Okay.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any other questions or comments? I guess, Barry.
Barry Knight: You and Mr. McLawhom were the two principals in this property from
the beginning. Mr. McLawhorn, he owned it, subdivided it into to two lots and you all
were in discussion the whole time there was going to be two houses along here. I am
kind of wondering why if Mr. McLawhom was going to buy this land and live in the back
why he didn't he develop it into three lots originally and I kind of get the idea that maybe
he just wanted two there and maybe you just wanted two there also and now there's a
change.
Jeffery Baker: There has been a change in something you all don't consider a hardship
with myself personally. Mr. McLawhom and I, like I said, I've know Mr. McLawhorn
for 20 years and some of the hardships that we've had over this situation have been fairly
difficult personally, difficult for me to handle because I think he's a good friend and he's
a good man. I trust him solely with a lot of things. There's some personal things that
I've shared with Rahn and his intentions, mine from the start I can guarantee you, were
never to subdivide this property but because of some other issues that have come about,
quite frankly, I'm left at no other choice.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any other questions or comments9 Do we have other speakers?
Robert Miller: I have no other speakers signed up.
Ronald Ripley: No other speakers signed up. Okay, Mr. Bourdon wants to speak.
Eddie Bourdon: I'm sorry. I'm not used to signing up. I represent Mr. McLawhorn and
I'm the one who handled the application for Mr. McLawhom to obtain the subdivision
variance to create the flag lot that Mr. McLawhorn retained after he subdivided the
property and conveyed to Mr Baker the lot that Mr. Baker and his wife own. You all
know that I am lowed to ever come forward in opposition to anything for a number of
reasons but in this case for Rahn I've decided to come forward and I'm sorry I didn't sign
up because today I didn't know I would be speaking. When I went over this property and
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evaluated it with Rahn and I had some connection with this property with the previous
owner who had it and was looking at developing it. I went over the fact that he
developed the property using what CBPA buffers, it would require Chesapeake Bay
variance and a road to be put in but the size of the property was, 2.7 acres, clearly it could
have been divided with the creation by putting in a road into more than three lots. But
that would have been a major fight. The Irelands, who I also know and represented and
own the property that is located to the west of this property, even though it's zoned R-10
and this little peninsula is zoned R-10, it's really not a R-10 piece of property. That's the
long and short of it. And, Mr. McLawhorn decided that he wanted it to remain in
character with what's around it and that is to do the flag lots and do the large lots. Not to
put a road in, not to go to the Bay Board and try to squeeze four lots on this piece of
property. He developed the property into two lots. Mr. Baker is also a nice gentleman.
We don't have any personal problems here whatsoever. But it is breaking in faith with
what was done back just a few years ago when the option to do more than one lot was
there to come in and try to do piggyback flag lots because a road could have been built.
It could have served more than two lots. The variance was done this way with the
understanding that's what we would be doing. It's just the two lots with no Bay impact
because you're not even in the buffer with what was done. So, while we're empathetic to
the situation that Mr. Baker finds himself in that empathy doesn't change what this Board
and eventually, I guess, City Council will have to decide is what is the proper process
land use wise. And, this is really a second bite at the apple and I don't think it's what
anyone anticipated or intended. You have letters of opposition as you've received. It's
our understanding or my understanding anyway that the other neighbors out there are not
in support of this application as well as Mr. McLawhorn. And, I'm here to support staff
recommendation that it be denied. There really isn't a hardship. Not one that is legally
recognized that exists here. They may have a hardship personally but there's no hardship
that justifies the granting of this variance and it was a situation that was understood that
when the property was divided and Mr. Baker at that point in negotiations or under
contract to buy this lot but he did not develop the property. I'm not going to get into
access issue because as Kay has appropriately indicated, it really is a civil matter if it ever
got to that point. I don' t think it will get to that point. And, I don't think that the access
can be used and that's my opinion. Again, I don't think that should be the determining
factor today. I think the determining factor is a land use issue. I don't think it's
appropriate to come in and seek the piggyback of the second flag lot when that was not
was what was intended when the property was developed the way it was.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any questions of Mr. Bourdon?
Eddie Bourdon: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you. Mr. Baker, you have a right to rebut if you would like to
come up?
Jeffery Baker: The only rebuttal that I would have is obviously my relationship with
Rahn goes much beyond that of Eddie Bourdon. And, that initial conversations about
Item # 10
Jeffery L. Baker
Page 6
even developing this lot when he and I looked at it were all strictly financial. We didn't
even know we could purchase the lot because they were asking so much for it.
Financially, the situation that he had personally and I had personally, it took both of us to
come together and buy this lot. The primary reason that way the road was put in and
things were not developed was strictly financial. It had nothing to do with 1-2-3-4 lots
ever being developed. The intention behind the whole property subdivision was that we
would buy the property, he would get half and I would get half. We would work out
egress/ingress. Whatever we do with our half after that would be up to us.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you very much. Okay. Let's open it up for many comments or
motions. Will?
Dorothy Wood: I'd make a motion that the application be denied.
Ronald Ripley: Hold on, we got a motion. Do I have a second? We have a motion to
deny. Do I have a second?
Charlie Salle': I second it.
Ronald Ripley: And, we have a second by Charlie Salle'. That's the motion. Will, I'm
sorry.
William Din: I was just going to offer some comments. I think I do remember when this
came up originally and there was a lot of discussion as to how many lots would be
subdivided into and it was obviously it was more than two. And, it was going to be a lot
of opposition to subdividing it up to more than two lots and I think I would not be
supporting more than two lots in this area. And, I don't think I'm going to support more
than two lots re -subdivision of this second lot here. This is a very small area from an
access standpoint on the main roads that are coming into it. I'm not going to get into the
egress/ingress access problem there but I don't think I'm going to be in favor of
supporting the subdividing of this lot.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you Will. Are there any other comments? Let's call for the
question.
Robert Miller: I need to abstain from this item. My firm is working on the project.
Ronald Ripley: So noted. The motion is to deny, so the vote for is to vote to deny.
AYE 9 NAY 0
ANDERSON AYE
CRABTREE AYE
DIN AYE
HORSLEY
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ABSENT
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Carolyn Smith - 936 East Sparrow road
From: Jonathan Rlgolo
To: Smith, Carolyn
Date: 9/7/2003 5:51 PM
Subject: 936 East Sparrow road
Carolyn,
In reference to the sub -division of the property at 936 East Sparrow Road, I oppose and division of that property Below are the reasons for my
stance on this issue
1 This lot has been divided before. When that took place I did not oppose the subdivision because it was two lots not three Had I known that in the
future there would be a push to sub -divide into additional lots I would have opposed the sub -division than.
2 If this lot is divided what is in place to stop others from doing the same to their lots? This area has seen the addition of to many houses in such a
small area.
3. The roads in this area are only 13 feet wide, currently Fire and EMS units have a difficult time gaining access to many of the homes in this area
Additional houses will add to this problem
4 I have lived in my house for four years, during this time I have endured continues construction in this area I have watched as construction workers
from both the City and private companies damage my yard, driveway and street to never return to repair the damage. Currently the road is mix of
gravel, asphalt and pot holes from previous projects that have not been completed Often due to the narrow roads, access to homes is stopped due to
construction vehicles or the City Public Utility guys digging up the street and blocking access for days on end. Over the Labor Day Weekend two
occupied homes and a large home under construction did not have access for emergency vehicles due to the way our City workers blocked the street
ans driveways to these homes Had a fire or emergency medical event occurred there was no access for emergency vehicles
5. I have lived on the Elizabeth River for the past 15 years During this time I have seen the river go from one of the most polluted waterways in the
east to a somewhat clean waterway that still needs protection from construction that will cause harmful run off Additional homes will upset this
cleaning up of our river. This area is ecologically sensitive, lets protect it
As you can see I oppose this additional home in this area If you need additional information please feel free to contact me either at my City e-mail or
at 757-434-3090
Thanks
Captain Jonathan A Rigolo
Virginia Beach Fire Department
Special Operations Division
(w) 757-427-1706
(fax) 757-427-0907
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Subdivision Variance
ZONING HISTORY
1. 7/7/92 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (single family dwellings) — Granted
2. 4/11/88- SUBDIVISION VARIANCE - Granted
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CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: Willard P. Orr — Subdivision Variance
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
Appeal to Decisions of Administrative Officers in regard to certain elements of the
Subdivision Ordinance, Subdivision for Willard P. Orr. Property is located at
1557 Indian River Road (GPIN 2412593876). DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE
The purpose of this request is to allow a residential dwelling on the subject site,
which does not have direct access to a public street.
■ Considerations:
The existing lot is an open grassy field with a barn. The back portion of the site
is wooded. This wooded portion of the site is below the elevation of the 100-year
floodplain.
The existing lot was originally created as part of a larger 12.2-acre lot in a
subdivision for rural estates known as "Pungo Estates" in 1963. Thirty years
later, in 1993, the 12.2 acre lot was resubdivided into three lots, Lot 12-A-1 (1.3
acres), Lot 12-B (2.1 acres) and Lot 12-C (8.8 acres). Lot 12-A-1 and Lot 12-B
are conforming lots that front on Indian River Road. Lot 12-C, the subject site,
was created without frontage with the intent that the lot would only be used for
agricultural purposes and not as a residential building site. A note stating that
Lot 12-C is not a building site is shown on the plat recorded in Map Book 232 at
Page 54. Lot 12-C does not have frontage or direct access to Indian River Road.
Access is provided to Lot 12-C via a 15-foot ingress/ egress easement along the
north side of Lot 12-A-1.
The applicant would like to remove the note stating "not a building site" from Lot
12-C and build one single-family home on the lot. In order to do this, a
Subdivision Variance has to be obtained
The applicant states that it is the intent to build a single-family home on Lot 12-C
for himself and his wife. Due to health problems, they want to be close to their
daughter, who owns and lives on Lot 12-A-1. Staff cannot consider personal
hardship grounds for issuance of a variance. There are other alternatives
available for the applicant's situation that would comply with the zoning
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ordinance, such as modifying the existing home on Lot 12-A-1 to include a flex
suite.
Staff determined there to be no grounds for a variance as required by the
Subdivision Ordinance and recommended denial. The Planning Commission
placed this item on the consent agenda because, as conditioned, a deed is to be
recorded granting perpetual access rights from Lot 12-A-1 to Lot 12-C, which the
Commission expressed to be their greatest concern at the September hearing
when this item was deferred. There was no opposition to this request.
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 10-0 to
approve this request with the following conditions:
1. No structures or other land disturbance shall be allowed within the wooded
area that is below the elevation of the 100-year floodplain.
2. A deed for the 15-foot wide ingress/egress easement shown in Map Book
232 at Page 54 shall be recorded with the amended subdivision plat. The
deed must provide perpetual rights of access for both residential and
agricultural use from Lot 12-A-1 to Lot 12-C. The deed shall be subject to
review by the City Attorney prior to recordation.
■ Attachments:
Staff Review
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Recommended Action: Staff recommends denial. Planning Commission recommends
approval.
Submitting Department/Agency: Planning Department
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City Manage
WILLARD P. ORR / # 2:6]
September 10, 2003
General Information:
APPLICATION
NUMBER: L 14-210-S V R-2003
REQUEST: Subdivision Variance to Section 4.4(b) of the Subdivision Ordinance
that requires all newly created lots meet all the requirements of the
City Zoning Ordinance
ADDRESS: 1557 Indian River Road
GPIN: 24125938760000
ELECTION
DISTRICT: 7 -- PRINCESS ANNE
Subdiv►s►on Variance
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
WILLARD P. •RR / # 26
Page 1
SITE SIZE: 8.87 acres
STAFF
PLANNER: Barbara Duke
PURPOSE: To allow a residential dwelling on the subject site, which does not have
direct access to a public street.
This application was deferred at the August 13, 2003 Planning
Commission Public Hearing to allow staff to work with the
applicant to determine the status of the 15 foot wide
ingress/egress easement shown on the plat across Lot 12-A-1.
Staff has determined that no deed is recorded that specifies the
rights/limitations of this ingress/egress easement. A condition
requiring a deed granting perpetual access rights for residential
and agricultural use from Lot 12-A-1 to Lot 12-C has been added
at the end of this report.
Major Issues:
• Presence of a hardship justifying the variance to the requirements of the
Subdivision Ordinance.
Site Plan / Preliminary Plat:
Existing Lot: The existing lot
was originally created as part of
a larger 12.2-acre lot in a
subdivision for rural estates
known as "Pungo Estates" in
1963. Thirty years later, in
1993, the 12.2 acre lot was
resubdivided into three lots, Lot
12-A-1 (1.3 acres), Lot 12-B
(2.1 acres) and Lot 12-C (8.8
acres). Lot 12-A-1 and Lot 12-
B are conforming lots that front
on Indian River Road. Lot 12-
C, the subject site, was created
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WILLARD P. ORR / # 26
Page 2
for agricultural purposes and not as a residential building site. A note stating that Lot
12-C is not a building site is shown on the plat recorded in Map Book 232 at Page 54.
Lot 12-C does not have frontage or direct access to Indian River Road. Access is
provided to Lot 12-C via a 15-foot ingress/ egress easement along the north side of Lot
12-A-1.
There is also a separate area on Lot 12-C that is shown as a 150 foot wide "No Building
Area" crossing the middle of the site from east to west. The area was originally
identified this way on the plat for Pungo Estates recorded in 1963 in Map Book 60 at
Page 54 and was to be used for future right-of-way purposes. The applicant is also
requesting to vacate this easement. Removing this restriction and vacating this right-of-
way easement does not require a subdivision variance. This part of the applicant's
request has been reviewed through the Development Services Center and it has been
determined that there is no need for the easement as originally platted.
Proposed Lot: The applicant would like to remove the note stating "not a building site"
from Lot 12-C and build one single-family home on the lot. In order to do this, a
Subdivision Variance has to be obtained.
Item
Required
LQt 12-C
Lot Width in feet
100 feet
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Lot Area in square feet
43,560
386,693
*Variance required
Land Use, Zoning, and
Site Characteristics
Existing Land Use and Zoning
The existing lot is an open grassy field
with a barn. The back portion of the
site is wooded. This wooded portion
of the site is below the elevation of the
100-year floodplain.
Surrounding Land Use and
Zoning
North: • Residential dwellings / AG-2 Agricultural District
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
WILLARD P. ORR / # 26
Page 3
South: • Pungo Estates single-family neighborhood / AG-1
& AG-2 Agricultural District
East: . Single-family homes / AG-2 Agricultural District
West: . Wooded property / AG-1 Agricultural District
Zoning History
A subdivision variance to allow a lot with no direct access to a public street was granted
on property west of this site in 1988. In that case, there was a home already existing on
the site and the variance was granted to correct an illegal situation. No other
subdivision variances have been granted in the area surrounding the subject site.
Air Installation Compatible Use Zone (AICUZ)
The site is in an AICUZ of less than 65dB Ldn surrounding NAS Oceana.
Public Facilities and Services
Water and Sewer
Public water and sewer are not available. Septic and well service must be approved by
the Health Department.
Transportation
Master Transportation Plan (MTP) / Capital Improvement Program (CIP):
Indian River Road in this area is a two lane local collector. There are no plans to
upgrade this portion of Indian River Road in the current Capital Improvement Program.
Public Safety
Police: No comments
Fire and Adequate — no further comments.
Rescue:
Comprehensive Plan
This lot is located in the rural portion of the City designated for agricultural uses.
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
WILLARD P. ORR / # 26
Page 4
Evaluation of Request
Staff evaluation of a Subdivision Variance is based on several factors, including the
degree of compliance with City ordinances and regulations, consistency with the
Comprehensive Plan, and adherence to good accepted land use and development
practices and theory. Personal hardship does not enter into the Staff's evaluation.
Above all, Staff's evaluation is based on Section 9.3 of the Subdivision Ordinance,
which addresses variances to the ordinance. Section 9.3 of the Subdivision Ordinance
states:
Section 9.3 of the Subdivision Ordinance states:
No variance shall be authorized by the Council unless it finds that:
A. Strict application of the ordinance would produce undue hardship.
B. The authorization of the variance will not be of substantial detriment to
adjacent property, and the character of the neighborhood will not be
adversely affected.
C. The problem involved is not of so general or recurring a nature as to make
reasonably practicable the formulation of general regulations to be
adopted as an amendment to the ordinance.
D. The hardship is created by the physical character of the property,
including dimensions and topography, or by other extraordinary situation
or condition of such property, or by the use or development of property
immediately adjacent thereto. Personal or self-inflicted hardship shall not
be considered as grounds for the issuance of a variance.
E. The hardship is created by the requirements of the zoning district in which
the property is located at the time the variance is authorized whenever
such variance pertains to provisions of the Zoning Ordinance incorporated
by reference in this ordinance.
The applicant states that it is the intent to build a single-family home on Lot 12-C for
himself and his wife. Due to health problems, they want to be close to their daughter,
who owns and lives on Lot 12-A-1 Staff cannot consider personal hardship grounds for
issuance of a variance. There are other alternatives available for the applicant's
situation that would comply with the zoning ordinance, such as modifying the existing
home on Lot 12-A-1 to include a flex suite.
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
WILLARD P. ORR / # 26
Page 5
This application was deferred at the August 13, 2003 Planning Commission Public
Hearing to allow staff to work with the applicant to determine the status of the 15-
foot wide ingress/egress easement shown on the plat across Lot 12-A-1. Staff
has determined that no deed is recorded that specifies the rights/limitations of
this ingress/egress easement. A condition requiring a deed granting perpetual
access rights for residential and agricultural use from Lot 12-A-1 to Lot 12-C has
been added at the end of this report.
Should the variance be approved, staff recommends the following conditions.
Conditions
1. No structures or other land disturbance shall be allowed within the wooded area
that is below the elevation of the 100-year floodplain.
2. A deed for the 15-foot wide ingress/egress easement shown in Map Book 232 at
Page 54 shall be recorded with the amended subdivision plat. The deed must
provide perpetual rights of access for both residential and agricultural use from
Lot 12-A-1 to Lot 12-C. The deed shall be subject to review by the City Attorney
prior to recordation.
NOTE: Upon granting of a subdivision variance, a final subdivision
plat must be submitted to the Development Services Center
for approval and recordation.
Further conditions may be required during the
administration of applicable City Ordinances.
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
WILLARD P. ORR / # 26
Page 6
Item #26
Willard P. Orr
Appeal to Decisions of Administrative Officers in
regard to certain elements of the Subdivision Ordinance
1557 Indian River Road
District 7
Princess Anne
September 10, 2003
CONSENT
Dorothy Wood: The next item is Item #26, Willard P. Orr. It's an Appeal to Decisions
of Administrative Officers with regard to certain elements of the Subdivision Ordinance.
It's located on Indian River Road in the Princess Anne District. Mr. Orr.
Willard Orr: My name is Willard Orr. We have no problem abiding by the conditions of
this because we don't plan on building. In addition to that, the deed for the 15-foot
egress/ingress is in preparation and will prepared and along with the amended subdivision
plat so the city engineer can do it will be prepared very shortly.
Dorothy Wood: Thank you sir. Is there any objection to Willard Orr, an Appeal to the
Decision of Administrative Officers for the subdivision on Indian River Road with two
conditions? Is there any objection to that? Hearing none. Will you please tell us about
that Joe?
Joseph Strange: Okay. This application was deferred at the August 13, 2003 Planning
Commission Public Hearing to allow the staff to work with the application, Mr. Orr, to
determine the status of the 15-foot wide egress/ingress easement shown on the plat. A
condition requiring a deed granting perpetual access way for residential and agriculture
use for Lots 12-Al through Lot 12-C has been added at the end of this report. And based
on that, we have consented on this item.
Dorothy Wood: Thank you Mr. Strange. Again, is there any opposition to Willard Orr,
an Appeal of Decisions of Administrative Officers on Indian River Road with two
conditions? Hearing none. Thank you Mr. Orr, very much, for coming today.
Willard Orr: Thank you.
Dorothy Wood: Mr. Ripley, I would move to approve this consent agenda number 26
Willard Orr, an Appeal of a Decision for a subdivision ordinance, a subdivision of Mr.
Orr with two conditions.
Ronald Ripley: We have a motion to approve this consent agenda item. Do I have a
second? Seconded by Mr. Will Din. Is there any discussion on the motion? Okay, we'll
call for the question
Item #26
Willard P. Orr
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Ronald Ripley: By a vote of 10-0, the motion passes.
ABSENT
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Item V-L.4:
PLANNING
ITEM # 47309
Upon motion by Vice Mayor Sessoms, seconded by Councilman Branch, City Council ADOPTED,
Ordinance upon application ofSHORE VENTURESASSOCIATES. L.L. C., fora Conditional Use Permit
ORDINANCE UPON APPLICATION OF SHORE VENTURES
ASSOCIATES, L L C FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A
COILfdUMTYBOAT DOCK R01000308
BE IT HEREBY ORDAINED BY THE CO UNCIL OF THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
Ordinance upon application of Shore Ventures Associates, L L C, for a
Conditional Use Permit for a community boat dock at the intersection of
Lynnhaven Promenade and Piedmont Circle on Lots 6, 7, 8, 9 & 10,
Block 3, Section A, Ocean Park,(GPIN #1489-58-6459, #1489-58-
5541, # 1489-58-5517) Said parcel contains 24,296 square feet
(BAYSIDE - DISTRICT 4)
The following conditions shall be required
I No commercial use of the community boat dock shall be
permitted
2 The community boat dock shall be used exclusively by the
owners, occupants and invited guests of lots 7, 8, 9, and 10 as
shown on the submitted site plan
3 The community boat dock shall not exceed eight slips (moorings)
4 No buildings, boathouses, boat launches or additional parking
shall be permitted
5 No vessels larger than 26 feet in length shall be permitted
6 The community boat dock is subject to all applicable federal,
state and local rules and regulations
This Ordinance shall be effective in accordance with Section 107 69 of the Zoning Ordinance
Adopted by the Council of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, on the Twenty-fourth of October Two
Thousand
Voting 9-0 (By Consent)
Counczl Members Voting Aye
Linwood 0 Branch, Ill, Margaret L Eure, Barbara M Henley, Louis
R Jones, Robert C Mandigo, Jr, MayorMeyera E Oberndorf, Nancy
K Parker, Vice Mayor William D Sessoms, Jr and Rosemary Wilson
Council Members Voting Nay
None
Council Members Absent
William W Harrison, Jr, and Reba S McClanan
October 24, 2000
September 9, 2003
AGENDA REVIEW
MAYOR OBERNDORF: Okay. Planning: Application of Crab Creek
Homeowners Association, Incorporated, for
a modification of conditions on a Conditional Use Permit. That's
Bayside. Mr. Jones, that's deferred?
VICE MAYOR JOKES: The staff is asking that that be deferred
until October the 28th.
MAYOR OBERNDORF: Yes, sir. Not a problem.
FORMAL SESSION
VICE MAYOR JONES: Under Planning, Item Kl, the Application of
Crab Creek Homeowners Association,
Incorporated, for a modification of conditions. That will be consent
for deferral until October the 28th at the request of the Staff.
MAYOR OBERNDORF:
COUNCILMAN SCHMIDT:
MAYOR OBERNDORF:
COUNCIL MEMBERS:
MAYOR OBERNDORF:
Thank you. Is there a second?
Second.
Is there any discussion?
(No response.)
Are we ready for the question?
CITY CLERK: By a vote of 11 to 0 with the exception as
stated by the Vice Mayor, you have voted to
approve the Consent Agenda as read by the Vice Mayor.
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Virginia Beach City Council
October 14, 2003
6:00 p.m.
CITY COUNCIL:
Meyera E. Oberndorf, Mayor
Vice Mayor Louis R. Jones
Harry E. Diezel
Margaret L. Eure
Reba S. McClanan
Richard A. Maddox
Jim Reeve
Peter W. Schmidt
Ron Villanueva
Rosemary Wilson
James L. Wood
CITY MANAGER:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY CLERK:
STENOGRAPHIC REPORTER:
At -Large
Bayside - District 6
Kempsville - District 2
Centerville - District 2
Rose Hall - District 3
Beach - District 6
Princess Anne - District 7
At -Large
At -Large
At -Large
Lynnhaven - District 5
James K. Spore
Leslie L. Lilley
Ruth Hodges Smith, MMCA
Dawne Franklin Meads
VERBATIM
Application of Crab Creek Homeowners Association, Incorporated
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Item Vl K.1.
PLANNING ITEM # 51798
Upon motion by Vice Mayor Jones, seconded by Councilman Schmidt, City Council DEFERRED until
the City Council Session of October 28, 2003, Ordinance upon application of CRAB CREEK
HOMEO WNERS ASSOCIA TION, INC for a Modification of Conditions on a Conditional Use Permit for
a community boat dock (approved by City Council on October 24, 2000
ORDINANCE UPONAPPLICA TION OF CRAB CREEK HOMEOWNERS
ASSOCIATION, INC FOR A MODIFICATION OF CONDITIONS ON
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A COMMUNITY BOAT DOCK
APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 24, 2000
Ordinance upon Application of Crab Creek Homeowners Association, Inc
for a Modification of Conditions on a Conditional Use Permit for a
community boat dock approved by City Council on October 24, 2000
Property is located at 2096, 2098, 2092, 2094 Tazewell Road and 3557,
3559, 3561, 3563 Piedmont Circle (GPINS 14895855172096, -2098,
14895855412092, -2094, 14895865033557, -3559, 14895864593561, -
3563) DISTRICT 4 — BAYSIDE
Voting 10-0 (By Consent)
Council Members Voting Aye
Harry E Diezel, Margaret L Eure, Vice Mayor Louis R Jones, Reba S
McClanan, Richard A Maddox, MayorMeyera E Oberndorf, Jim Reeve,
Peter W Schmidt, Ron A Villanueva and James L Wood
Council Members Voting Nay
None
Council Members Absent
Rosemary Wilson
October 14, 2003
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CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: Crab Creek Homeowners Association, Inc. — Modification of Conditions
(community boat dock)
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
An Ordinance upon Application of Crab Creek Homeowners Association, Inc. for
a Modification of Conditions on a Conditional Use Permit for a community boat
dock approved by City Council on October 24, 2000. Property is located at 2096,
2098, 2092, 2094 Tazewell Road and 3557, 3559, 3561, 3563 Piedmont Circle
(GPINS 14895855172096; -2098; 14895855412092; -2094; 14895865033557; -
3559; 14895864593561; -3563). DISTRICT 4 — BAYSIDE
The purpose of this request is to modify the condition regarding the length of a
boat. The existing conditions limit the size of any boat at this pier to 26 feet. The
applicant requests to increase this limit to 35 feet.
This request was deferred by the City Council on October 14 to allow the
encroachment agreement to be completed.
IN Considerations:
There are eight (8) existing duplex dwelling units on the four (4) upland parcels
currently zoned R-5D Residential Duplex District. These units share access to
the water via an existing community boat dock.
City Council approved a Conditional Use Permit for a Community Boat Dock on
this site on October 24, 2000. An encroachment agreement was authorized by
City Council as well for the dock to be placed within the existing City right-of-way,
Lynnhaven Promenade, which is primarily under water. The developer of the
property stated in the application for that Conditional Use Permit that no vessels
would be larger than 26 feet in length. This was made a condition of the Use
Permit Condition 5 limits the size of the boats and is requested for modification
because the applicant would like to dock larger boats at this community pier
The applicant is now requesting to modify Condition 5 to allow vessels no larger
than 35 feet in length. The City's Waterfront Operations staff has commented
that there are no specific restrictions on boat length; however, if navigation of the
channel is impacted, the Coast Guard has jurisdiction. It should be noted that on
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adjacent properties, larger boats (more than 26 feet in length) are legally moored
at neighboring docks
The Planning Commission placed this item on the consent agenda because the
increased boat length is consistent with the length of boats moored at
surrounding docks, staff recommended approval, and there was no opposition to
the request.
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 10-0 to
approve this request with the following conditions:
No commercial use of the community boat dock shall be permitted.
2. The community boat dock shall be used exclusively by the owners,
occupants and invited guests of lots 7, 8, 9, and 10 as shown on the
submitted site plan
3. The community boat dock shall not exceed eight slips (moorings).
4. No buildings, boathouses, boat launches, or additional parking shall be
permitted.
5 No vessels larger than 35 feet in length shall be permitted.
6. The community boat dock is subject to all applicable federal, state and
local rules and regulations.
■ Attachments:
Staff Review
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Recommended Action: Staff recommends approval. Planning Commission recommends
approval.
Submitting Department/Agency. Planning Department
City Manager: er:
CRAB CREEK H.O.A. / # 11
September 10, 2003
General Information:
APPLICATION
NUMBER: G03-214-MOD-2003
REQUEST: Modification of Conditions placed on a Conditional Use Permit for a
Community Boat Dock
ADDRESS: 3557, 3559, 3561 & 3563 Piedmont Circle; 2096, 2098, 2092 & 2094
Tazewell Road
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DISTRICT: 4 — BAYSIDE
SITE SIZE- 24,296 square feet
STAFF
PLANNER: Carolyn AX Smith
PURPOSE: To modify the condition regarding the length of a boat. The existing
conditions limit the size of any boat at this pier to 26 feet The applicant
would like to increase this limit to 35 feet
Major Issues:
• Potential for boat conflicts within the existing 50-foot wide channel.
Land Use, Zoning, and
Site Characteristics:
Existing Land Use and Zoning
There are eight (8) existing duplex
dwelling units on the four (4) upland
parcels currently zoned R-5D Residential
Duplex District These units share access
to the water via an existing community
boat dock
Surrounding Land Use and Zoning
North: • Duplex and single-family dwelling units / R-5D
Residential Duplex District
South: • Tazewell Road
• Duplex and single-family dwelling units / R-5D
Residential Duplex.
East: • Lynnhaven Promenade (paper street), creek of
Lynnhaven River
West: • Stratford Road
• Duplex and single-family dwelling units / R-5D
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Residential Duplex
Zoning History
City Council approved a Conditional Use Permit for a Community Boat Dock on this site
on October 24, 2000. An encroachment agreement was authorized by City Council as
well for the dock to be placed within the existing City right-of-way, Lynnhaven
Promenade, which is primarily underwater In 1989, a City owned parcel to the
northeast was rezoned to P-1 Preservation District and is the site Crab Creek municipal
boat launch.
Air Installation Compatible Use Zone (AICUZ)
The site is in an AICUZ of less than 65dB Ldn surrounding NAS Oceana
Public Facilities and Services
Public Safety
Police: Adequate — no additional comments
Fire and Adequate — no additional comments
Rescue:
Summary of Proposal
Proposal
The Conditional Use Permit limiting the size of any boat at this dock to 26 feet or less
was approved by the City Council on October 24, 2000 The developer of the property
stated in the application for that Conditional Use Permit that no vessels would be larger
than 26 feet in length. This was made a condition of the Use Permit. The existing
Conditional Use Permit has six (6) conditions
1. No commercial use of the community boat dock shall be permitted.
2. The community boat dock shall be used exclusively by the owners, occupants
and invited guests of lots 7, 8, 9, and 10 as shown on the submitted site plan
3. The community boat dock shall not exceed eight slips (moorings)
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4 No buildings, boat houses, boat launches, or additional parking shall be
permitted
5 No vessels larger than 26 feet in length shall be permitted.
6. The community boat dock is subject to all applicable federal, state and local rules
and regulations
Condition 5 limits the size of the boats and is requested for modification because the
applicant would like to dock larger boats at this community pier
Evaluation of Request
The modification of Condition 5 appears to be reasonable and is recommended for
approval to vessels no larger than 35 feet in length It should be noted that issues of
navigation are the responsibility of the United States Coast Guard; however, Staff is
concerned that on a potentially busy weekend, due to the City's Crab Creek launch
facility in close proximity to this property, the narrow 50-foot wide channel does not
provide larger vessels ample room to maneuver This is particularly true in situations as
when a storm is threatening and boats become stacked up in the channel waiting The
City's Waterfront Operations staff has commented that there are no specific restrictions
on boat length, however, if navigation of the channel is impacted, the Coast Guard has
jurisdiction It should be noted that on adjacent properties, larger boats (more than 26
feet in length) are legally moored at neighboring docks
Staff recommends approval as conditioned below (Conditions 1 through 4 and Condition
6 are the same as granted in 2000)
Conditions
1. No commercial use of the community boat dock shall be permitted
2 The community boat dock shall be used exclusively by the owners, occupants
and invited guests of lots 7, 8, 9, and 10 as shown on the submitted site plan
3 The community boat dock shall not exceed eight slips (moorings)
4 No buildings, boathouses, boat launches, or additional parking shall be
permitted
5 No vessels larger than 35 feet in length shall be permitted.
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6 The community boat dock is subject to all applicable federal, state and local rules
and regulations.
NOTE: Further conditions may be required during the
administration of applicable City Ordinances. The site plan
submitted with this conditional use permit may require
revision during detailed site plan review to meet all
applicable City Codes. Conditional use permits must be
activated within 12 months of City Council approval. See
Section 220(g) of the City Zoning Ordinance for further
information.
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DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
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PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below.
(Attach necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below. (Attach list
if necessary)
Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
If the applicant is not the current owner of the property, complete the Applicant Disclosure
section below.
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
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If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below- (Attach list
if necessary)
C] Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization
CERTIFICATION I certify that the information contained herein is true
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Item # 11
Crab Creek Homeowners Association, Inc.
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Piedmont Circle
District 4
Bayside
September 10, 2003
CONSENT
Dorothy Wood: The next item is Item #11. It's the Crab Creek Homeowners
Association. It's an Ordinance of Crab Creek Homeowners Association for a Use Permit
for community boat dock. It is in the Bayside District. It has six conditions. Is there
anyone here representing Crab Creek Homeowners Association? Gene, would you
please?
Eugene Crabtree: Yes. This was a very simple one because this is just requesting that
they be allowed to bring larger boats into the dock instead of 26 feet to 35 feet. The only
thing would be if there was enough room for the larger boats to turnaround within the
area of the dock, however, this is not a city controlled function. It's a Coast Guard
controlled function and therefore, since it's a Coast Guard controlled function we felt like
it was suitable for a consent item.
Dorothy Wood: Thank you. Is there any objection to the Crab Creek Homeowners
Conditional Use Permit for a community boat dock with six conditions? Hearing none.
Mr. Ripley, I would move to approve this consent agenda item number eleven Crab
Creek Homeowners Association with six conditions. That's in the Bayside District.
Ronald Ripley: We have a motion to approve this consent agenda item. Do I have a
second? Seconded by Mr. Will Din. Is there any discussion on the motion? Okay, we'll
call for the question.
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1. Conditional Use Permit (community boat dock) — Granted 10-24-00
2. Subdivision Variance — Granted 6-23-98
3. Conditional Use Permit (communication tower) — Granted 8-23-94
4. Change of Zoning (B-4 Business District to P-1 Preservation District) —
Granted 3-27-89
5. Change of Zoning (R-5D Residential District to P-1 Preservation District) —
Granted 3-27-89
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1. 11/14/95 — REZONING from AG-2 Agricultural to Conditional A-12
Apartment District — Approved
2. 3/19/84 — REZONING from AG-2 Agricultural to R-9 Residential District —
Withdrawn
3. 1/28/85 — REZONING from AG-2 Agricultural to R-5 Residential District —
Approved
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AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: Home Associates of Virginia, Inc. — Change of Zoning District
Classification (AG-2 Agricultural District to Conditional R-7.5 Residential District)
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
An Ordinance upon Application of Home Associates of Virginia, Inc. for a Change
of Zoning District Classification from AG-2 Agricultural District to Conditional R-7.5
Residential District on property located at 960, 964 and 966 Old Dam Neck Road
(GPINs 24156491440000; 24157424560000; 24157415220000). The
Comprehensive Plan recommends use of this site for residential uses above 3.5
dwelling units per acre DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE
■ Considerations:
The property consists of three separate lots and is zoned AG-2 Agriculture. The
westernmost lot has one house located on it. There are at least five small
houses on the two eastern lots. The houses were established on the eastern
side of the site over thirty years ago for farm workers, when the surrounding area
was a farm. The houses on the eastern lots are now considered non -conforming
uses.
The residential neighborhoods to the south and east of this site were developed
during the 1980s. There is a condominium development west of Upton Drive that
was more recently rezoned in 1995.
The applicant is proposing to remove all of the existing structures on the subject
site and to rezone and subdivide the 5.06-acre property for seventeen (17)
single-family home sites, resulting in a density of 3.3 units per acre.
The applicant's plan has many features that will help to reinforce the positive
characteristics of the existing neighborhoods to the south and east of the site.
The majority of the proposed lots will be between 8,000 and 10,000 square feet
in size. New homes do not back up to the main roadway, Old Dam Neck Road;
instead, there is an open space and stormwater management area serving as a
roadside buffer. The new street serving the proposed subdivision will connect to
an existing neighborhood street. Some of the trees on the site will be preserved
in a 15 foot wooded buffer that will provide some continuity in the landscape for
the existing homes in Pinehurst Estates that have backed up to this wooded area
for over 15 years. Two very large oak trees located in the northwestern corner of
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the stormwater management green area will also be preserved. The proposed
subdivision meets the Comprehensive Plan objectives for healthy neighborhoods
and the density requested is in keeping with the Comprehensive Plan
recommendations.
The Planning Commission placed this item on the consent agenda because the
proposal is consistent with the recommendations of the Comprehensive Plan and
the development will enhance the area. Staff recommended approval. There
was no opposition to the request.
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 10-0 to
approve this request as proffered.
■ Attachments:
Staff Review
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Recommended Action: Staff recommends approval Planning Commission recommends
approval.
Submitting Department/Agency: Planning Department
City Manager:
September 10, 2003
General Information:
APPLICATION
NUMBER: L10-213-CRZ-2003
REQUEST: Change of Zoning District Classification from AG-2 Agricultural District to
Conditional R-7.5 Residential District.
ADDRESS: ProDertv located at 960, 964, and 966 Old Dam Neck Road
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ELECTION
DISTRICT: 7 - PRINCESS ANNE
SITE SIZE: 5.06 acres
STAFF
PLANNER: Barbara J. Duke
PURPOSE: To develop seventeen single-family homes
Major Issues:
• Degree to which the proposal meets Comprehensive Plan objectives
Land Use, Zoning, and
Site Characteristics:
Existing Land Use and Zoning
The property consists of three separate
lots and is zoned AG-2 Agriculture. The
westernmost lot has one house located on
it. There are at least five small houses on
the two eastern lots. The houses were
established on the eastern side of the site
over thirty years ago for farm workers,
when the surrounding area was an
operating farm. The houses on the
eastern lots are now considered non -conforming uses.
Surrounding Land Use and Zoning
North: • Ocean Lake Elementary School / R-10 Residential
District
South: . Single-family homes / R-5D Residential District
East: . Single-family homes / R-10 Residential District
West: . Single-family home and vacant property / AG-2
Agricultural District
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Zug and Land Use Statistics
With Existing The non -conforming structures on the site cannot be
Zoning: improved or replaced without City Council approval. If
the non -conforming structures were removed, the
property could be developed into two new single-family
home sites.
With Seventeen single-family homes developed in
Proposed accordance with the proposed proffer agreement.
Zoning:
Zonina History
The residential neighborhoods to the south and east of this site were developed during
the 1980s. There is a condominium development west of Upton Drive that was more
recently rezoned in 1995.
Air Installation Compatible Use Zone (AICUZ)
The site is in an AICUZ of 70 to 75dB Ldn surrounding NAS Oceana. The Navy has
reviewed this proposal and does not support the requested rezoning. A copy of a letter
noting the Navy's position on this rezoning is provided at the end of this report.
Public Facilities and Services
Water and Sewer
This site must connect to City water and sewer service. There is a 12-inch water main
in Old Dam Neck Road. There is a 16-inch gravity sanitary sewer main in Old Dam
Neck Road.
Sewer and pump station analysis for Pump Station 603 is required to determine if flows
can be accommodated
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Transportation
Master Transportation Plan (MTP) / Capital Improvement Program (CIP):
There are no planned roadway projects or other capital improvement projects in the
immediate area surrounding this proposal.
Traffic Calculations:
Street Name
Present
Present
Generated Traffic
Volume
Capacity
No Count
Existing Land Use - 20
Old Dam Neck Road
Available
13,600 ADT
Proposed Land Use 3 - 170
Average Daily Trips
2 as defined by two single-family homes
3 as defined by seventeen single-family homes
Schools
School
Current
Capacity
Generation'
Change 2
Enrollment
Ocean Lakes
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Corporate Landing
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2,115
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Senior High
"generation" represents the number of students that the development will add to the school
2 "change" represents the difference between generated students under the existing zoning and
under the proposed zoning The number can be positive (additional students) or negative (fewer
students)
Public Safety
Police: The applicant is encouraged to contact and work with the
Crime Prevention Office within the Police Department for crime
prevention techniques and Crime Prevention Through
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Environmental Design (CPTED) concepts and strategies as
they pertain to this site.
Fire and Fire Department concerns will be addressed during detailed
Rescue: subdivision review and building permit review.
Comprehensive Plan
The subject site is located in the Courthouse/Sandbridge Planning Area. The
Comprehensive Plan Land Use Map identifies this area as appropriate for residential
use with a density of 3.5 units to the acre or more. The density on the subject site
should be kept close to 3.5 units per acre due to this property's location within the 70-75
dB Ldn noise zone near Naval Air Station Oceana New residential development in this
area should generally try to reinforce rather than change the positive character of our
neighborhoods.
Summary of Proposal
Proposal
• The subject site is a consolidation of three separate parcels currently zoned for
agriculture. One of these existing parcels does not have frontage on a public street
and shares access with the eastern front parcel via a shared driveway off of Old
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Dam Neck Road. There are several non -conforming structures on the two eastern
parcels of the subject site as well.
• The applicant is proposing to remove all of the existing structures on the subject site
and to rezone and subdivide the 5.06-acre property for seventeen (17) single-family
home sites, resulting in a density of 3.3 units per acre.
• There is a small piece of property on the eastern edge of this site, adjacent to Storm
Lake Drive that is not a part of this subdivision. Title to this small piece, which
measures 26 feet wide by 187 feet long, is in question. The applicant is in the
process of researching the title and intends to pursue purchase of this property and
incorporate it into the proposed subdivision.
Site Design
• The applicant is proposing to develop seventeen (17) single-family homes on lots
ranging from 7,500 square feet to 13,861 square feet in size.
• One cul-de-sac street is proposed to serve as access to the new lots.
• A stormwater management pond has been located along Old Dam Neck Road,
separating the home lots from the road.
Vehicular and Pedestrian Access
• The proposed subdivision plan shows one new cul-de-sac street serving the new
homes. The new street connects to an existing residential street to the east of the
property known as Storm Lake Drive. Storm Lake Drive is the main access road for
the neighborhood known as Pinehurst Estates. No access from Old Dam Neck
Road is proposed.
Architectural Design
• The homes that will be constructed will be a mix of one story and two story models.
The applicant has proferred an elevation for both types. All homes will contain no
less than 2,100 square feet and an attached garage containing no less than 315
square feet. The style and size of the homes proffered is compatible with the
surrounding neighborhoods.
Landscape and Open Space
• The plan shows a stormwater management pond located along the frontage of Old
Dam Neck Road. There is some green area around the pond that will remain open
and will be dedicated and maintained by a homeowner's association. This will
provide a visual, passive open space amenity for the neighborhood.
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• The Subdivision Ordinance requires that 5 percent of the area on site be dedicated
as open space. This equates to 11,020 square feet. The total square footage of the
stormwater management pond and green area is 34,657 square feet. At least
15,000 square feet of area is outside of the pond and therefore meets the
requirement for open space dedication in accordance with the Subdivision
Ordinance.
• There are two large existing oak trees in the northwest corner of the stormwater
management green area that will be preserved.
• A corner of the open space will front on the subdivision roadway at the entrance to
this subdivision, enhancing and defining the entrance. The applicant is attempting to
acquire the small piece of property, measuring 26 feet wide by 187 feet long, that is
located between the open space area and Storm Lake Drive. If acquired, this area
will be incorporated into the development as additional open space.
• The northern half of the subject site is wooded. The applicant has noted on the
proffered site plan that a wooded buffer of at least 15 feet in width will be preserved
on lots 3 through 9.
• There are two existing City neighborhood parks within walking distance of the
proposed subdivision.
Proffers
PROFFER # 1 When the Property is developed, it shall be as a single
family residential community of no more than seventeen
(17) building lots substantially in conformance with the
Exhibit entitled "COLLINGS QUAY, A SINGLE FAMILY
SUBDIVISION," dated 5/02/03, prepared by Site
Improvement Associates, Inc., which has been exhibited to
the Virginia Beach City Council and is on file with the
Virginia Beach Department of Planning ("Concept Plan").
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable. The number of lots shown on
the plan is in conformance with the density
recommendation set forth in the Comprehensive Plan and
the applicant has provided open space in accordance with
the Subdivision Ordinance requirements. The size of the
lots is compatible with the subdivisions on the north side of
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Old Dam Neck Road and east of the subject site. The
open space provided at the front of the site will serve as a
roadside buffer and visual amenity for the subject property
as well as the surrounding neighborhood. The site plan
identifies two significant oak trees at the western edge of
the site that will be preserved within the open space area
and also identifies that a 51 foot wide buffer of existing
trees will be preserved on lots 3 through 9.
PROFFER # 2 When the Property is developed, the party of the third part
shall install sidewalks within the public right-of-way on both
sides of the road as depicted on the Concept Plan
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable.
PROFFER # 3 When the Property is subdivided it shall be subject to a
recorded Declaration of Protective Covenants, Conditions
and Restrictions ("Deed Restrictions") administered by a
Property Owner's Association. The Deed Restrictions will
include Articles providing for Architectural Controls and
mandatory assessments for maintenance of community
open space.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable. Although the subdivision
contains only 17 lots, the amount of open space that
requires maintenance is also small. Staff feels that a
reasonable maintenance fee can be established that would
not become burdensome to the homeowners.
PROFFER # 4 All homes constructed on the lots depicted on the Concept
Plan shall have exterior architectural features, design and
building materials substantially similar to homes depicted
on the drawings labeled "Building Elevations — COLLINGS
QUAY" dated 5/02/03, which have been exhibited to the
Virginia Beach City Council and are on file with the Virginia
Beach Department of Planning.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable and ensures that the new homes
constructed will be compatible in style and quality to the
surrounding homes.
PROFFER # 5 All homes constructed on the lots shall contain no less
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than 2100 square feet of enclosed living area excluding
garage area and an attached garage containing no less
than 315 square feet.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable and ensures that the new homes
constructed will be compatible in size to the surrounding
homes.
PROFFER # 6 Further conditions may be required by the Grantee during
detailed Site Plan and/or Subdivision review and
administration of applicable City codes by all cognizant
City agencies and departments to meet all applicable City
code requirements. Any references hereinabove to the R-
7.5 Zoning District and to the requirements and regulations
applicable thereto refer to the Zoning Ordinance and
Subdivision Ordinance of the City of Virginia Beach, in
force as of the date of approval of this Agreement by City
Council, which are by this reference incorporated herein.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer states a standard policy and is acceptable.
City Attorney's The City Attorney's Office has reviewed the proffer
Office: agreement dated May 23, 2003, and found it to be legally
sufficient and in acceptable legal form
Evaluation of Request
The request to rezone the subject site from AG-2 Agricultural District to Conditional R-
7.5 Residential District is acceptable. The applicant's plan has many features that will
help to reinforce the positive characteristics of the existing neighborhoods to the south
and east of the site. The majority of the proposed lots will be between 8,000 and
10,000 square feet in size. New homes do not back up to the main roadway, Old Dam
Neck Road; instead, there is an open space and stormwater management area serving
as a roadside buffer The new street serving the proposed subdivision will connect to
an existing neighborhood street. Some of the trees on the site will be preserved in a 15
foot wooded buffer that will provide some continuity in the landscape for the existing
homes in Pinehurst Estates that have backed up to this wooded area for over 15 years.
Two very large oak trees located in the northwestern corner of the stormwater
management green area will also be preserved. The proposed subdivision meets the
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
HOME ASSOCIATES OF VA/ # 1
Page 9
Comprehensive Plan objectives for healthy neighborhoods and the density requested is
in keeping with the Comprehensive Plan recommendations. There is one improvement
that the staff feels would make this proposal even better, and that would be to include
the two remaining agricultural zoned parcels to the west of this site into this
development. Consolidation of parcels is always encouraged for infill development as it
results in a more coordinated, higher quality proposal. The applicant noted that he has
tried to purchase the parcels, but the owner is unwilling to sell at this time.
Staff recommends that the request to rezone the subject site from AG-2 Agricultural
District to Conditional R-7.5 Residential District be approved as proffered.
NOTE: Further conditions may be required during the
administration of applicable City Ordinances. Plans
submitted with this rezoning application may require
revision during detailed site plan review to meet all
applicable City Codes.
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
HOME ASSOCIATES OF VA / # 1
Page 10
• DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY
NAVAL AIR STATION OCEANA
1750 TOMCAT BOULEVARD
VIRGINIA BEACH VIRGINLA 23460-2168 IN REPLY REFER TO
5726
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August 4, 2003
Ms. Barbara Duke
Municioal Center
Department of Planning
Buiidir_g 2, Room 100
2405 1-ourthouse Drive
Virginia Beach, VA 23456
Dear Ms. Duke:
Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the rezoning
request for the proposed construct:.or_ of Collings Quay, a
single-family subdivision. The site is located in the 70-75
decibel (dB) day -night average (Ldn) noise zone. The ?Navy's Air
Installations Compatiole Use Zones Program states tna;.
reswaential land use is incompatible in this zone.
The Navy acknowledges the landowners' desire to develop
their property, but 1 urge you to deny their request. We would
view residential development at this site as encroachment upon
operations at ;Naval Air Station Oceana. If you have any
questions, please contact my Community Planning Liaison Officer,
Mr. Ray Firenze at (57) 433-3158.
Sincerely and very respectfully,
T. tiOiflficer
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Mayor Mevera Ooernoorf
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DISCLOSURE STATEMENT 11
Applicant's Name: _ H.A.V.' INC_
List All Current ESTATE OF ODELL WRIGHT BY JEFFREY T. TALBERT,
Property Owners- ESQUIRE, ANCILLARY ADMINISTRATOR __r,r`_______�__
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below -
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below (Attach hst
if necessary)
10 Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
If the applicant is not the current owner of the property, complete the Applicant Disclosure
section below:
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
JAIMES M. ARNHOLD, CHAIRiM+AN; ROBERT L._PRODAN_,_ III PRESIDENT;
BRENDA CARUANA, VICE PRESIDENT; _ MARY L. HEALD, SECRETARY
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach list
if necessary)
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
CERTIFICATION. ! certify that the information contained herein is true
an orate.
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Subdivision Variance Application
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NAVAL AIR STATION OCEANA
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VIRGINIA BEACH VIRGINIA 23460-2168
IN REPLY REFER TO
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Ser 32/0313
August 4, 2003
Ms. Barbara Duke
Municipal Center
Department of Planning
Building 2, Room 100
2405 Courthouse Drive
Virginia Beach, VA 23456
Dear Ms. Duke:
Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the rezoning
request for the proposed construction of Collings Quay, a
single-family subdivision. The site is located in the 70-75
decibel (dB) day -night average (Lan) noise zone. The Navy's Air
Installations Compatible Use Zones Program states that
residential land use is incompatible in this zone.
The Navy acknowledges the landowners' desire to develop
their property, but I urge you to deny their request. We would
view residential development at this site as encroachment upon
operations at Naval Air Station Oceana. If you have any
questions, please contact my Community Planning Liaison Officer,
Mr. Ray Firenze at (757) 433-3158.
Sincerely and very respectfully,
T.
C ai , U . Navy
Commarldind Officer
Copy to:
COMNAVREG MIDLANT
Mayor Meyera Oberndorf
Virginia Beach City Council
V ircin:a Beacn Planning Com-nission
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
HOME ASSOCIATES OF VA / # 1
Page 18
Item # 1
Home Associates of Virginia, Inc.
— Change of Zoning District Classification
960, 964, 966 Old Dam Neck Road
District 7
Princess Anne
September 10, 2003
CONSENT
Ronald Ripley: The next order of business is our consent agenda and Vice Chairman Dot
Wood will present this. Dot.
Dorothy Wood: Thank you Mr. Chairman. This afternoon we have 10 items on the
consent agenda. As I call the item will you please step to the podium and tell us whether
or not you've read the conditions and whether or not you agree with them. The first item
is Item #1, Home Associates of Virginia. It's an Ordinance to Change of Zoning District
Classification from AG-2 Agriculture District and R-10 Residential District to
Conditional R-7.5 Residential District on Old Dam Neck Road and this in the Princess
Anne District and it has six proffers. Mr. Bourdon.
Eddie Bourdon: Thank you madam secretary. Eddie Bourdon, for the record and
obviously we are in agreement with the proffers that we've submitted and appreciate
being on the consent agenda.
Dorothy Wood- Thank you sir. Barry, would like to comment on that item?
Barry Knight: On this proposed rezoning, the applicant's plan has many features that
will help reinforce the positive characteristics of the existing neighborhood to the south
and east of the site. The majority of the proposed lots will be between 8,000-10,000
square feet in size. Also some of the trees on the site will be preserved in a fifteen foot
wooded buffer and in addition two very large oak trees on the northwest corner of the
storm water management green area will also be preserved. The proposed subdivision
meets the Comprehensive Plan objectives for healthy neighborhoods and the density
request is in keeping with the Comprehensive Plan recommendations. Therefore, we
view this as an appropriate use of this property.
Dorothy Wood: Thank you. Is there any opposition to Item #1, Home Associates of
Virginia? This is an application for a Change of Zoning District? This is in the Princess
Anne borough. Hearing none. Mr. Ripley, I would move to approve this consent agenda
item number one Home Associates of Virginia with six proffers.
Ronald Ripley: We have a motion to approve this consent agenda item. Do I have a
second? Seconded by Mr. Will Din. Is there any discussion on the motion? Okay, we'll
call for the question
Item # 1
Home Associates of Virginia, Inc.
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City Of Virgirzia Beech
In Reply Refer To Our File No. DF-5759
INTER -OFFICE CORRESPONDENCE
DATE: October 16, 2003
TO: Leslie L. Lilley DEPT: City Attorney
FROM: B. Kay Wilson DEPT: City Attorney
RE: Conditional Zoning Application
Home Associates of Virginia, Inc., et als
The above -referenced conditional zoning application is scheduled to be heard by the
City Council on October 28, 2003. I have reviewed the subject proffer agreement, dated
May 23, 2003, and have determined it to be legally sufficient and in proper legal form. A
copy of the agreement is attached.
Please feel free to call me if you have any questions or wish to discuss this matter
further.
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Enclosure
PREPARED BY
4"Hu SYKES, BOURDON
AH£RN & LWY PC
WESLEY J. BARNES, Executor of the Estate of Mary Henley Barnes, deceased
CLIFFORD C. COLLINGS, III and PHILIP A. LIEBMAN
HOME ASSOCIATES OF VIRGINIA, INC., a Virginia corporation
TO (PROFFERED COVENANTS, RESTRICTIONS AND CONDITIONS)
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, a municipal corporation of the Commonwealth of
Virginia
THIS AGREEMENT, made this 23rd day of May, 2003, by and between
WESLEY J. BARNES, Executor, Grantor, party of the first part; CLIFFORD C.
COLLINGS, III and PHILIP A. LIEBMAN, Grantors, parties of the second part; HOME
ASSOCIATES OF VIRGINIA, INC., a Virginia corporation, party of the third party,
and THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, a municipal corporation of the Commonwealth
of Virginia, Grantee, party of the fourth part.
WITNESSETH.
WHEREAS, the party of the first part is the owner of one (1) parcel of property
located in the Princess Anne District of the City of Virginia Beach, containing
approximately 2.164 acres as more particularly described as Parcel 1 in Exhibit "A"
attached hereto and incorporated herein by this reference, which parcel, along with
the other parcels referenced herein and described in Exhibit "A" are herein referred
to as the "Property"; and
WHEREAS, the parties of the second part are the owners of two (2) parcels of
property located in the Princess Anne District of the City of Virginia Beach,
containing approximately 2.899 acres as more particularly described as Parcels 2
and 3 in Exhibit "A" attached hereto and incorporated herein by this reference,
which parcels, along with the other parcel referenced herein and described in Exhibit
"A" are herein referred to as the "Property"; and
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WHEREAS, the party of the third part is the contract purchaser of the
Property and has initiated a conditional amendment to the Zoning Map of the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, by petition addressed to the Grantee so as to change the
Zoning Classifications of the Property from AG-2 Agricultural District to Conditional
R-7.5 Residential District; and
WHEREAS, the Grantee's policy is to provide only for the orderly development
of land for various purposes through zoning and other land development legislation,
and
WHEREAS, the Grantor acknowledges that the competing and sometimes
incompatible development of various types of uses conflict and that in order to
permit diffenng types of uses on and in the area of the Property and at the same time
to recognize the effects of change that will be created by the Grantor's proposed
rezoning, certain reasonable conditions governing the use of the Property for the
protection of the community that are not generally applicable to land similarly zoned
are needed to resolve the situation to which the Grantor's rezoning application gives
rise; and
WHEREAS, the Grantor has voluntarily proffered, in venting, in advance of
and prior to the public hearing before the Grantee, as a part of the proposed
amendment to the Zoning Map, in addition to the regulations provided for the R-7.5
Zoning District by the existing overall Zoning Ordinance, the following reasonable
conditions related to the physical development, operation, and use of the Property to
be adopted as a part of said amendment to the Zoning Map relative and applicable to
the Property, which has a reasonable relation to the rezoning and the need for which
is generated by the rezoning.
NOW, THEREFORE, the Grantor, for itself, its successors, personal
representatives, assigns, grantees, and other successors in title or interest,
voluntarily and without any requirement by or exaction from the Grantee or its
governing body and without any element of compulsion or quid pro quo for zoning,
rezoning, site plan, building permit, or subdivision approval, hereby make the
following declaration of conditions and restrictions which shall restrict and govern
the physical development, operation, and use of the Property and hereby covenant
and agree that this declaration shall constitute covenants running with the Property,
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HIM SYKKS. BOURDON.
AHERN & LEVY. PC
which shall be binding upon the Property and upon all parties and persons claiming
under or through the Grantor, its successors, personal representatives, assigns,
grantee, and other successors in interest or title and which will not be required of the
Grantor until the Property is developed:
1. When the Property is developed, it shall be as a single family residential
community of no more than seventeen (17) building lots substantially in
conformance with the Exhibit entitled "COLLINGS QUAY, A SINGLE FAMILY
SUBDIVISION," dated 5 / 02 / 03, prepared by Site Improvement Associates, Inc,
which has been exhibited to the Virginia Beach City Council and is on file with the
Virginia Beach Department of Planning ("Concept Plan") .
2. When the Property is developed, the party of the third part shall install
sidewalks within the public right-of-way on both sides of the road as depicted on the
Concept Plan.
3. When the Property is subdivided it shall be subject to a recorded
Declaration of Protective Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions ("Deed
Restrictions") administered by a Property Owner's Association. The Deed
Restrictions will include Articles providing for Architectural Controls and mandatory
assessments for maintenance of community open space.
4. All homes constructed on the lots depicted on the Concept Plan shall
have exterior architectural features, design and building materials substantially
similar to homes depicted on the drawings labeled "Building Elevations - COLLINGS
QUAY" dated 5 / 02 / 03, which have been exhibited to the Virginia Beach City Council
and are on file with the Virginia Beach Department of Planning.
5 All homes constructed on the lots shall contain no less than 2100
square feet of enclosed living area excluding garage area and an attached garage
containing no less than 315 square feet.
6. Further conditions may be required by the Grantee during detailed Site
Plan and/or Subdivision review and administration of applicable City codes by all
cognizant City agencies and departments to meet all applicable City code
requirements. Any references hereinabove to the R-7.5 Zoning District and to the
requirements and regulations applicable thereto refer to the Zoning Ordinance and
Subdivision Ordinance of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, in force as of the date
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AMN & LEVY. £ C
j of approval of this Agreement by City Council, which are by this reference
incorporated herein.
The above conditions, having been proffered by the Grantor and allowed and
accepted by the Grantee as part of the amendment to the Zoning Ordinance, shall
continue in full force and effect until a subsequent amendment changes the zoning
of the Property and specifically repeals such conditions. Such conditions shall
continue despite a subsequent amendment to the Zoning Ordinance even if the
subsequent amendment is part of a comprehensive implementation of a new or
substantially revised Zoning Ordinance until specifically repealed. The conditions,
however, may be repealed, amended, or varied by written instrument recorded in the
Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, and
executed by the record owner of the Property at the time of recordation of such
instrument, provided that said instrument is consented to by the Grantee in writing
as evidenced by a certified copy of an ordinance or a resolution adopted by the
governing body of the Grantee, after a public hearing before the Grantee which was
advertised pursuant to the provisions of Section 15.2-2204 of the Code of Virginia,
1950, as amended. Said ordinance or resolution shall be recorded along with said
instrument as conclusive evidence of such consent, and if not so recorded, said
instrument shall be void.
The Grantor covenants and agrees that.
(1) The Zoning Administrator of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, shall
be vested with all necessary authority, on behalf of the governing body of the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, to administer and enforce the foregoing conditions and
restrictions, including the authority (a) to order, in writing, that any noncompliance
with such conditions be remedied; and (b) to bring legal action or suit to insure
compliance with such conditions, including mandatory or prohibitory injunction,
abatement, damages, or other appropriate action, suit, or proceeding;
(2) The failure to meet all conditions and restrictions shall constitute cause
to deny the issuance of any of the required building or occupancy permits as may be
appropriate,
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(3) If aggrieved by any decision of the Zoning Administrator, made
pursuant to these provisions, the Grantor shall petition the governing body for the
review thereof prior to instituting proceedings in court; and
(4) The Zoning Map may show by an appropriate symbol on the map the
existence of conditions attaching to the zoning of the Property, and the ordinances
and the conditions may be made readily available and accessible for public
inspection in the office of the Zoning Administrator and in the Planning Department,
and they shall be recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, and indexed in the name of the Grantor and the Grantee.
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`A AHERN, & LEVY P C
WITNESS the following signature and seal:
GRANTOR:
THE ESTATE OF MARY HENLEY BARNES
By: !_3�'� 1 - '? j %L(SEAL)
Wesle vJ. Barnes, Executor
STATE OF VIRGINIA
CITY/COUNTY OF CL,�1 f` d"�40-wit:
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The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this day of
tA ' 2003, by Wesley J. Barnes, Executor of The Estate of Mary Henley
Barnes.
Notary Public
My Commission Expires:
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GRANTOR.
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Clifford C - Collings
STATE OF VIRGINIA
CITY/ COUNTY OF VIP- DINT A REACH , to -wit.
The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this 30 TH day of
May , 2003, by Clifford C Collings., by Philip A. Liebman, his agent and
attmrney in fact.
My Commission Expires:
January 31, 2004
PREPARED BY
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&M AHERN & LEVY. P C
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WITNESS the following signature and seal:
STATE OF VIRGINIA
CITY/COUNTY OF _
GRANTOR.
VIRGINIA BEACH
(SEAL)
Phillip A. Liebman
, to -wit:
The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this 30th day of May,
2003, by Phillip A. Liebman.
My Commission Expires:
January 31, 2004
PREPARED BY
112 SYKES. POURDON,
Nil A11£01 c& LEVY PC
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WITNESS the following signature and seal:
GRANTOR:
HOME ASSOCIATES OF VIRGINIA, INC.,
a Virginia corporation
James/M � Arnhold, Chairman
STATE OF VIRGINIA
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, to -wit:
The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this Zq day of May,
2003, by James M. Arnhold, Chairman of Home Associates of Virginia, Inc., a
Virginia corporation. rr, _ I . .. 1
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EXHIBIT "A"
PARCEL 1:
ALL THAT certain tract, piece or parcel of land, with the buildings and improvements
thereon and the appurtenances thereunto, situate, lying and being in the Princess
Anne District of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, and being more particularly
designated as tract "Parcel 5, 2.164 AC." on that certain plat entitled, "Survey of
Property of Mary H. Barnes, D.B. 653 P 397 Princess Anne Borough Virginia Beach,
Va.", which said plat is duly recorded in the aforesaid Clerk's Office in Map Book
170, at Page 27; reference to which plat is hereby made for a more particular
description of the tract.
PARCEL 2:
ALL of that certain tract, piece or parcel of land, with the buildings and
improvements thereon and the appurtenances thereunto appertaining, situate, lying
and being in the Princess Anne District of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, and
being more particularly designated as tract "Parcel 6, 0.536 AC " on that certain plat
entitled, "Survey of Part of Property of Mrs. W. O. Gilbert Princess Anne Borough
Virginia Beach, Va.", which plat is duly recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit
Court of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, in Map Book 69, at Page 4; reference to
said plat being made for a more particular description and location of the
aforementioned property.
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PARCEL 3:
ALL THAT certain tract, piece or parcel of land, with the buildings and improvements
thereon and the appurtenances thereunto appertaining, situate, lying and being in
the Princess Anne District of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, and being more
particularly designated as tract "Parcel 7, 2.363 AC,", on that certain plat entitled,
"Survey of Part of Property of Mrs. W. O. Gilbert Princess Anne Borough Virginia
Beach, Va.", which plat is duly recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of
the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, in Map Book 69, at Page 4; reference to said plat
is hereby made for a more particular description of the aforementioned property.
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Conditional Rezoning
ZONING HISTORY
1. 6-18-63: Rezoning (R-S3 Residence Suburban to L-Cl Limited
Commercial) —Approved
7-8-85: Conditional Use Permit (Multiple -family dwellings) — Denied
2. 6-18-63: Rezoning (R-S3 Residence Suburban to C-G1 General
Commercial) — Approved
1-3-66: Conditional Use Permit (Gasoline Station) — Approved
11-27-90: Conditional Use Permit (tire installation) - Approved
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CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: Near Post, L.L.C. — Change of Zoning District Classification (H-1 Hotel
District, B-2 Business District, B-1 Business District and R-40 Residential District
to Conditional A-36 Apartment District)
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
An Ordinance upon Application of Near Post, L.L C for a Change of Zoning
District Classification from H-1 Hotel District, B-2 Business District, B-1 Business
District and R-40 Residential District to Conditional A-36 Apartment District on
property located at 1020 and 1040 Laskin Road and a portion of Parcel A, Oriole
Drive (GPINS 2418613236, 2418616228, 2418246584, and a portion of
2418517557) DISTRICT 5 — LYNNHAVEN
The applicant is proposing the consolidation of three parcels to develop 90 luxury
condominium units, parking and associated recreational amenities
■ Considerations:
Currently the Seashire Motel, a Hardees restaurant and a small portion of the
Cavalier Golf Course occupy the property
The submitted conceptual site plan depicts ten buildings, landscaped areas, a
pool and recreational building Five buildings front along Laskin Road, with four
buildings located along the rear of the property A building also fronts on Oriole
Drive Single entrances from Laskin Road and from Oriole Drive are depicted on
the plan, however, several existing entrances from Laskin Road will be
eliminated Ornamental fencing is shown along Laskin Road and Oriole Drive as
part of the landscaping The building heights along Laskin Road and Oriole Drive
are varied to create visual relief and to lessen the `wall' effect that large buildings
can establish along roadways The proposed landscaping and ornamental
fencing along the roadways will soften the eye level vision of the proposed
buildings.
The proposed development represents a dramatic reduction in the number of
units compared to what could be built by -right on the site with the existing H-1
Hotel zoning (90 units under this proffered rezoning versus up to 264 under the
H-1 zoning) This is significant considering the fact that the site is situated within
the 70 to 75 dB AICUZ and Accident Potential Zone 11
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Since the Planning Commission hearing, the applicant submitted an additional
proffer containing provisions requested by the United States Navy This new
proffer, Number 10, reads as follows
The Grantor agrees to insert in the Sales Contracts between Grantor and
the Purchasers of the units within the Pines at Birdneck the following
notices
(a) The Property is located within the 70 to 75 dB Ldn Noise Zone and the
Aircraft Accident Potential Zone (APZ) II for the_NAS Oceana Air Base
During flight trials, there is the potential for direct overflies of the
Property
(b) The preceding facts are subject to change and potential buyers are
urged to contact the Community Planning Liaison Officer at NAS
Oceana.
Staff recommended approval There was opposition to the request
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 10-0 to
approve this request as proffered
■ Attachments:
Staff Review
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Recommended Action: Staff recommends approval Planning Commission recommends
approval
Submitting Department/Agency: Planning Department
City Manager: �
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General Information:
APPLICATION
NUMBER: L06-215-CRZ-2003
REQUEST: Change of Zoning District Classification from H-1 Hotel District, B-2
Community Business District, B-1 Business District and R-40
Residential District to Conditional A-36 Apartment District
ADDRESS: Property located at 1020 and 1040 Laskin Road and a portion of
Parcel A located on Oriole Drive
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ELECTION
DISTRICT: 5 - LYNNHAVEN
SITE SIZE 5 9 acres
STAFF
PLANNER: Faith Christie
PURPOSE: To rezone the site from H-1 Hotel District, B-2 Community Business
District, B-1 Business District and R-40 Residential District to
Conditional A-36 Apartment District and develop 90 multiple -family
dwelling units, parking and associated recreational amenities.
APPLICATION This request was deferred at the August Planning Commission hearing
HISTORY: to provide time to address several outstanding issues. The request
was deferred at the September hearing due to an advertising error
Major Issues:
• Compatibility with the surrounding uses.
• Consistency with the recommendations of the Comprehensive Plan
Land Use, Zoning, and Site
Characteristics:
Existina Land Use and Zonina
Currently the Seashire Motel, a Hardees
restaurant and a small portion of the Cavalier
Golf Course occupy the property The
property is zoned H-1 Hotel, B-1 and B-2
Business and R-40 Residential
Surroundinq Land Use and Zoning
North: • Cavalier Golf Course / R-40 Residential
South: • Laskin Road
• Across Laskin Road are restaurants, small
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service businesses, condominiums and
offices / B-2 Business and A-18 Apartment
East: • Merchants Tire Company / B-2 Business
West: • Offices / 0-2 Office
Zoning and Land Use Statistics
With Existing Within the H-1 Hotel District portion of the site, all of the
Zoning: uses permitted in H-1 such as hotels, parks and public
buildings and recreational and amusement facilities. If
the site were redeveloped with a hotel / motel the
allowed density would be 264 units.
Within the B-1 and B-2 Business District portion of the
site, all of the uses permitted in the B-1 and B-2 such
as offices, retail, restaurants, public buildings, and
automotive sales and service
Within the R-40 Residential District portion of the site,
all of the uses permitted in the R-40 such as single-
family dwellings, golf courses, churches and public
grounds and buildings.
With Ninety multiple -family dwelling units, associated
Proposed parking and recreational area. (If the site was rezoned
Zoning: to A-36 Apartment without a proffered restriction on the
number of units, the allowed density would be 212
units).
Zoning History
A portion of the proposed site was rezoned from R-S 3 Residence Suburban to L-C 1
Limited Commercial in 1963 Until 1973, the balance of the proposed site was zoned R-
S 3 Residence Suburban with a T-1 Supplement. With the adoption of the
Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance in 1973 the sites were zoned H-1 Hotel, B-1 and B-2
Business respectively The Seashire Inn was constructed in 1952 as an accessory to
the golf course. The Hardees Restaurant was constructed in 1969
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Air Installation Compatible Use Zone (AICUZ)
The site is in an AICUZ of 70 to 75dB Ldn and an Aircraft Accident Potential Zone (APZ)
II surrounding NAS Oceana. The United States Navy comments that "residential land
use is not compatible" within the 70 to 75 dB Ldn AICUZ zone The United States Navy
"would view residential development of this site as an encroachment upon operations at
Naval Air Station Oceana"
Public Facilities and Services
Water and Sewer
The site has an existing water meter that may be used or upgraded with the
development. The site is connected to city sewer Sewer pump station analysis for
Pump Station 107 will be required during detailed site plan review to determine if the
proposed flows can be accommodated.
Transportation
Master Transportation Plan (MTP) / Capital Improvement Program (CIP):
Laskin Road in front of this site is a major urban arterial facility. It is identified on the
MTP for a 150-foot right-of-way However, CIP Project 2-165 Laskin Road Phase II,
which implements the recommendation of the MTP, proposes the widening of Laskin
Road to six lanes (divided) and a bikeway. Currently the Virginia Department of
Transportation (VDOT) is designing a plan for this section of Laskin Road The
ultimate right-of-way shown on those plans is less than 150 feet and indicates that
minor (one to two feet) right-of-way reservations may be required along the Laskin
Road frontage to accommodate the new roadway The applicant has been given
copies of the proposed alignments and is aware that right-of-way may be required
during detailed site plan review With the minor nature of the reservation, the
applicant will still be able to meet setback requirements from the right-of-way as
required by the City Zoning Ordinance
The Department of Public Works / Traffic Engineering Division notes that the
entrance on Oriole Drive will not be allowed unless sufficient sight distance can be
provided for the traffic exiting the site This will be further examined during the site
plan review process.
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Traffic Calculations:
Street Name
Present
Present
Generated Traffic
Volume
Capacity
Existing Land Use —1,400
Laskin Road
ADT4
311700 ADT'
3
Proposed Land Use - 97
Average Daily Trips
2 as defined by the existing hotel and restaurant
3 as defined by 88 luxury condominiums
Schools
School
Current
Capacity
Generation'
Change 2
Enrollment
Linkhorn Park
647
702
6
6
Elementary
Virginia Beach
841
1,43
3
3
Middle
Cox High
12,040
12,018
14
14
i "generation" represents the number of students that the development will add to the school
2 "change" represents the difference between generated students under the existing zoning and
under the proposed zoning The number can be positive (additional students) or negative (fewer
students)
Public Safety
Police: The applicant is encouraged to contact and work with the
Crime Prevention Office within the Police Department for crime
prevention techniques and Crime Prevention Through
Environmental Design (CPTED) concepts and strategies as
they pertain to this site
A site lighting plan will be required during detailed site plan
review.
Fire and Private fire hydrants must be maintained annually. Fire
Rescue: hydrants must be within 500 foot of residential multi -family
structures
On -street parking should be located on only one side of the
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streets in the complex in order to ensure access to the
buildings by fire and rescue vehicles Fire lanes will be
required. The minimum fire lane width should not be less than
18 feet, and under some conditions, a greater width may be
required. These issues will be addressed during detailed site
plan review.
Gated sites should provide for Fire Department access using
the Knox or Supra key system. Electrically operated gates
must have a failsafe operation in the event of a power failure
Security for ingress and egress must be approved by the Fire
Marshal so that the fire department access is not obstructed.
Gas grills, charcoal grills or similar devices will not be allowed
on combustible balconies or within 10 feet of combustible
construction A certificate of occupancy must be obtained from
the Building Official before occupancy of the structures
Comprehensive Plan
The Comprehensive Plan Map designates this area as suitable for retail, office, and
other compatible uses within commercial centers serving surrounding neighborhoods
and communities However the Oceanfront Resort Area Concept Plan (ORACP), a
component of the Comprehensive Plan, recognizes the Laskin Road Corridor as the
northernmost east/west roadway accessing the resort. This gateway provides many
visitors with their first impression of the resort area The ORACP states that this
gateway will establish the kind of quality that one may expect throughout the Oceanfront
Resort Area The Concept Plan also recommends that development in this area be in
compliance with the principles established for the Oceanfront Resort Area. These
principles emphasize the following issues
1 Laskin Road must be able to move high volumes of traffic destined for the
oceanfront resort;
2. Improvements along this corridor must exhibit exceptional design quality
(page B.15)
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Summary of Proposal
Proposal
• The applicant is proposing the consolidation of three parcels to develop a
luxury condominium project. The request is to rezone the three parcels from
H-1 Hotel District, B-2 Community Business District, B-1 Business District and
R-40 Residential District to Conditional A-36 Apartment District and to
develop 90 multiple -family dwelling units, parking and associated recreational
amenities.
Site Design
• The submitted conceptual site plan depicts ten buildings, landscaped areas, a
pool and recreational building Five buildings front along Laskin Road, with
four buildings located along the rear of the property A larger building fronts
on Oriole Drive Single entrances from Laskin Road and from Oriole Drive are
also depicted on the plan. Ornamental fencing is shown along Laskin Road
and Oriole Drive as part of the landscaping
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Vehicular and Pedestrian Access
• Currently, there are four entrances to the sites from Laskin Road and Oriole
Drive Single entrances from Laskin Road and from Oriole Drive are proposed
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with the project.
• Sidewalks along the right-of-ways will be required as part of the detailed site
plan review
• Staff will recommend during detailed site plan review that internal sidewalks
to the entrance of the buildings and to the recreation area be installed.
Architectural Design
• The buildings are a modified transitional style, with varying heights of 2
stories to 6 stories. The varying building heights provide visual relief and
lessen the "walled" effect some condominium projects project from the
roadways. Two units per floor are proposed for the buildings.
• The exterior of the buildings are to be constructed of high quality cementitious
clap board siding, colored off-white, and brick veneer, complementary in color
to the siding The siding will be installed horizontally on the first 3 to 4 floors
and vertically on the top floors to provide visual relief in the building walls.
• Partially gridded double -sash windows with transoms above are proposed
The windows will be vinyl wrapped wood.
• The proposed hip roof will be dark green standing seam metal. Gabled end
details provide visual relief along the rooflines.
• Covered decks with storm shutter systems provide views of the golf course
and waterways
• Each unit will have its own garage, and most will have a double car garage.
Additional surface parking will also be provided.
Landscape and Open Space
• The A-36 Apartment District limits the lot coverage to 75 percent of the lot
area The submitted plan depicts 69 percent lot coverage, leaving 1.8 acres of
green area. The applicant is proposing to retain as many of the existing trees
as possible on the site The buildings are situated on the site to take
advantage of the expansive views of the golf course and waterways.
• The submitted conceptual plan depicts the required street frontage,
foundation and buffer landscaping
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Proffers
PROFFER # 1 The property shall be developed and landscaped
substantially as shown on the exhibit entitled "Concept Site
Layout and Landscape Plan of the Pines at Birdneck"
prepared by MSA, P.0 and dated 7-24-03 (hereinafter the
"Site Plan").
Staff Evaluation: The proffer is acceptable as it insures that the site will be
developed in accordance with the submitted preliminary
site layout plans The submitted preliminary site plan
depicts a coordinated development of the site in terms of
design, parking layout and traffic control and circulation
within the site.
PROFFER # 2 The total number of dwelling units on the Property shall not
exceed ninety (90)
Staff Evaluation: The proffer is acceptable as it limits the total number of
dwelling units that may be constructed on the site /f not
limited, the total number of units allowed would be 212
PROFFER # 3 Access to the Property shall be provided from Laskin Road
and Oriole Drive and no vehicular access shall be provided
from Tanager Trail.
Staff Evaluation: The proffer is acceptable as it limits access to the site from
Laskin Road and Onole Dnve and prohibits any access
from Tanager Trail Tanager Trail serves only the residents
located on the southern side of the street This proffer
protects the residents from intrusion of additional traffic
from the condominium As previously noted in the
Transportation section of this report, the access on Onole
Dnve must provide adequate sight distance
PROFFER # 4 When developed, the existing three curb cuts located on
Laskin Road shall be closed and the only access to the
Property from Laskin Road shall be restricted to one
location as shown on the Site Plan.
Staff Evaluation: The proffer is acceptable as it eliminates curb cuts along
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Laskin Road and restricts access to the site to a single
entrance on Laskin Road.
PROFFER # 5 The architectural design and exterior building materials
utilized on the dwelling units shall be substantially as
shown on the exhibit entitled: "The Pines at Birdneck"
prepared by Sampson and Associates, P.0 and dated
July 24, 2003
Staff Evaluation: The proffer is acceptable /t ►nsures that the structures win
be constructed ►n accordance with the submitted
elevations, which depict attractive buildings and high
quality materials
PROFFER # 6 The recreational facility shown on the Site Plan shall be
constructed with the same architectural style and building
materials as the primary structures on Property
Staff Evaluation: The proffer is acceptable /t insures that the recreational
facility and area will be developed with high quality building
materials ►n a design complementary to the condominiums
PROFFER # 7 An architectural fence shall be constructed along portions
of the perimeter of the Property as depicted on the Site
Plan The design, materials and height of the fence shall
be as depicted as shown on the exhibit entitled.
"Architectural Fence Detail" prepared by Sampson and
Associates, P C and dated July 24, 2003
Staff Evaluation: The proffer is acceptable. The decorative fencing adds
visual appeal to the site, in addition to defining the
perimeter
PROFFER # 8 An enclosed one or two -car garage shall be provided for
each dwelling unit.
Staff Evaluation: The proffer ►s acceptable.
PROFFER # 9 The Grantor shall dedicate a twenty -foot public utility
easement for maintenance and repair of the five -inch
water line located at the southern edge of the Tanager
Trail cul-de-sac, and along the northern boundary of the
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property, or shall relocate the water line subject to the
approval of the Department of Public Utilities
Staff Evaluation: The proffer is acceptable It insures that the existing five -
inch water line running along the northern boundary of the
property will be relocated subject to the approval of Public
Utilities or an easement for maintenance and repair
recorded.
City Attorney's The City Attorney's Office has reviewed the proffer
Office: agreement dated July 25, 2003, and found it to be legally
sufficient and in acceptable legal form.
Evaluation of Request
The request to rezone the site from H-1 Hotel District, B-2 Community Business District,
B-1 Business District and R-40 Residential District to Conditional A-36 Apartment
District and to develop 90 condominium units, associated parking and recreational area
is recommended for approval as proffered
The proposed development represents a dramatic reduction in the number of units
compared to what could be built by -right on the site with the existing H-1 Hotel zoning
(90 units under this proffered rezoning versus up to 264 under the H-1 zoning). This is
significant considering the fact that the site is situated within the 70 to 75 dB AICUZ and
Accident Potential Zone II
The applicant worked with staff to produce a project that furthers the upscale vision for
the Laskin Road Corridor The building heights along Laskin Road and Oriole Drive are
varied to create visual relief and to lessen the `wall' effect that large buildings can
establish along roadways The proposed landscaping and ornamental fencing along the
roadways will soften the eye level vision of the proposed buildings The proposed
building materials are of high quality and are complementary of one another. The
buildings are situated on the site to take advantage of the expansive views of the golf
course and waterways. Several existing entrances from Laskin Road will be eliminated.
The redevelopment of the site will present a positive image for the surrounding area and
this gateway to the Oceanfront Resort Area. Therefore, staff recommends approval of
the request as proffered.
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NOTE: Further conditions may be required during the
administration of applicable City Ordinances. Plans
submitted with this rezoning application may require
revision during detailed site plan review to meet all
applicable City Codes.
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DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
Applicant's Name- Near Post. LLC. a Virginia limited liability company
List AU Current
Property Owners: International Investors, a Virginia partnership
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the applicant is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
If the applicant is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below. (Attach list
if necessary)
John C White. Manacina Member
❑ Check here if the applicant is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
If the applicant is not the current owner of the property, conW iete the Property Owner section
below:
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below- (Attach list
if necessary) See attached Exhibit for list of Partners
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization
CERTIFICATION- l certify that the information contained herein is true
and accuratf.
Sign
Rezoning Application
Page 10 of 15
Print Name
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777
DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
Applicant's Name►: Near Post. LLC, a Virginia !untied Itability_M2nny
List All Current
Property Owners: International Investors, a ilirairtiartnership
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the applicant is a CORPORATION, lest all officers of ttv Corporation below:
(Attach list it necessary)
If the applicant is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach Imt
if necessary)
John C. White, Mannino member
13 Check here 4 the applicant is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
9 the aMMewt Is not tka cuawt oww r of dw pn*w1y, c omple[e do Propewty Owner siatbn
ha%w.
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in tho organization below: (Attach list
if necessary See $ttached Exhlbit for list of Partners
0 Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation. partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
CERTIFICATION: l cerIffy that the information contained herein is true
andaccurate.
SIgnat4re` Print Name
Rezoning Application
Page 10 of 14
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DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
Applicant's Name: Near Post, LLC, a Virginia limited liability company
List All Current
Property Owners' BNE Restaurant Group 11, LLC, a Delaware limited liability company
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the applicant is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
If the applicant is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach list
if necessary)
John C White, Managing Member
❑ Check here if the applicant is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
If the applicant is not the current owner of the property, complete the Property Owner section
below.
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach list
if necessary)
See attached Exhibit for list of Members
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization
CERTIFICATION. I certify that the information contained herein is true
and accurate.
See Attached Signature Page for BNE Restaurant Group II
Signature Print Name
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Signature Page of
BNE Restaurant Group, II, L.L.0
A Virginia limited liability company
Property Owners to
Conditional Rezoning Application
Property Owner Disclosure
BNE RESTAURANT GROUP. il, L.L.0
A Delaware limited liability company
By* BNE Restaurant Corp
A Delaware corporation,
Managing Member
By:
Name. vet• c.ra.'
Title: v z u pre Atr.�
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DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
Applicant's Name. Near Post, LLC,, a 1/irginia limited liability company
List All Current
Property Owners: Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club, a Virginia corporation
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the applicant is a CORPORATION, last all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
If the applicant is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZEATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach list
if necessary)
John C White, Managing Member
❑ Check here if the applicant is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
if the applicant is not the current owner of the properfyi complete the Property owner section
below.
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below -
(Attach list if necessary)
See attached Exhibit for list of Officers
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below. (Attach list
if necessary)
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
CERTIFICATION: I cerfify that the information contained herein is true
and accurate.
Signatur Print Name
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Signature Page of
Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club
A Virginia corporation
Property Owners to
Conditional Rezoning Application
(Page 9of14)
CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB,
A Virginia corporation
By -
me' Jam¢ � +�� � . �o►�un�
Title: President
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International Investors
A Virginia partnership
1072 Laskin Road
Suite 105-C
Virginia Beach, Virginia 23451
Telephone. (757) 422-2020
BNE Restaurant Group Il, LLC
A Delaware limited liability company
1021 Noel Lane
Rocky Mount, NC 27804
BNE Restaurant Corp.,
a Delaware corporation
Managing Member
Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club
A Virginia corporation
1052 Cardinal Road
Virginia Beach, Virginia 23451
(757) 428-3131
Exhibit
Partners.
Lloyd Tarbutton
Kenton L Tarbutton
C Todd Woolston
Gregory A Tarbutton
William L Boodie, President
W. Craig Worthy, Vice President
Debra Baker -White, Vice President
Michael Hancock, Vice President
of Property Management
David W. Schmitt, Vice President
Debra Baker -White, Treasurer
Kimberly L. Webb, Assistant Secretary
Angeline Meredith, Assistant Secretary
Officers:
Delbert M. Corurn, President
Ronald J Foresta, Vice President
Joseph H Robins, Treasurer
Robert L Young, Secretary
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DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY
NAVAL AIR STATION OCEANA
:750 TOMCAT BOULEVARD
VIRGINIABI=ACH VIRGINIA23+4r60-2168
IN REP_Y RE=EiR TO
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June 5, 2003
Ms. Faits Christie
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As you know, this application was deferred from the Planning Commission's September
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Dunng that time period, we had occasion to meet with the Cove Point Condominium
Association Board of Directors and their attorney. One of the principal concerns raised by the
residents of Cove Point was that with one of our proposed access ways to our project on
S Oriole Drive While the Department of Public Works has not yet approved the location of that
access way, the concern raised by the residents of Cove Point was that the vehicles entering my
client's property from S Oriole might back up traffic on S. Oriole to the point where the
residents of Cove Point might not be able to get into their condominium project. While we
advised them that my client's application would substantially reduce the projected traffic on S
Oriole and Laskin Road from that allowed under existing zonings, we agreed that we would seek
permission from the City to add a left turn lane into our site on S Oriole Drive Consistent with
this, my client is willing to move Building #9 further west approximately 10' to 12' and to
dedicate that area to the City and construct the left turn stack lane on S Oriole Drive
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Change of Zoning District Classification
1020-1040 Laskin Road and portion of Parcel A, Oriole Drive
District 5
Lynnhaven
October 8, 2003
REGULAR
Robert Miller: The next item is Item #25, Near Post, L L C.
R.J. Nutter Mr. Ripley, members of the Commission. I want to thank you.
Ronald Ripley: It's tough when you get deferred. You get deferred and you get called to
the back.
R.J. Nutter: I bet the group that you called up earlier, and they've seen that application,
and they ought to be thanking you right now. At any rate I want to thank you, not for
only hearing it, but for not taking a break.
Donald Horsley: I agree Mr. Chairman.
Eugene Crabtree: Can we have a 15-minute recess?
R.J. Nutter: I can imagine you're tired. First of all, let me introduce myself. My name is
R.J. Nutter. I'm an attorney. For the record, I represent the applicant Near Post. This is
Dan Sampson He is the architect for this project, who has done a terrific job. In
addition to that is David Miller. David is an attorney representing the Cavalier Yacht and
Country Club, who has the street closure for this application, who is in the front row as
well. While I am at it, Mike Nuckols is here. Mike is representing the Cove Point
Condominium Association with whom we met with recently, and I think have come to
accord. Having said all those things and introductions let me try and briefly go through
this application with you. It was on your last month's agenda. It's actually been on your
agenda on two prior occasions. While this is the first time you've had the opportunity to
hear it, it is probably the third time you've been briefed on it by your staff, so I will try to
be very brief Mr. Ripley. First let me tell you that I think the highlight of this application
is in fact it is 5.9 acres. The property consists of portions that are zoned H-1, B-2, B-1
and R-40. It's current zoning would allow for an intensity use far in excess of what is on
the property today, and what is being proposed in this application. It is located at the
entrance to City's Gateway Project, which is recognized in the Comprehensive Plan and
amendment to the Comprehensive Plan, and recognized in the new Comprehensive Plan,
which is under consideration today So, this property plays an important role in what
happens in this area of the city. We recognize that, and as a result we have paid a lot of
attention to the quality levels that the city is looking for, for a project in the Gateway
center of the city. As I indicated to you the property is currently zoned H-1 and would
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allow 260 some units on the property by right. The existing hotel facility that's there
today is probably most kindly referred as an area that this is somewhat at risk. I would
tell you all the comments from the residents of the neighborhoods around it, Birdneck
Point and others, they would tell you some horror stones about what has gone on at that
hotel over the course of the years. It is frankly an area that needed some serious
redevelopment, and that is what this project brings to you. To give you an idea of the
financial degree of that development you can look at this a many number of ways. If you
look at it from a zoning context it's a substantial reduction in the densities, traffic impacts
and other things that could affect the property and the area around it. If you look at it at a
context of the zoning restrictions, which most are H-1, B-2, and B-1, they are all
unrestricted. They're not conditional. Any use can go there without review by the city
outside subdivision and site plan ordinance. What we bring to the table then is a
redevelopment that makes it fully conditional. It restricts the density down well under
what is there today. Frankly, it brings a stunning project right to the Gateway of the city
As I indicated to you as another way of measuring it as a financial way, and right now the
estimated value, and this is being very kind of the improvements on the project, is
somewhere just under five million dollars. The estimated value of this property after
development will be in excess of 50 million dollars. So, it is a ten -fold increase in public
benefit, if you are a taxpayer, while all the time putting conditions on it and reducing the
intensity of the development. The development consists of really a series of individual
buildings that house a total of 90 condominium units. The units range in size from about
--� 2,000-3,000 square feet. The beginning sales price of these units will be about $385,000,
and they'll go up to about $750,000 and that is without extras. I think the reality is that
they will go from $400-800 thousand dollars and up. This property enjoys a vista of the
golf course, Cavalier, that is unrecognized to many of us because we are used to driving
by and seeing the hotel What you realize is once you remove the hotel that you have a
dynamic view down that golf course and even a view of over the water, which is the same
view that is enjoyed by the Cove Point Condominium Association, which is right on the
water. So, our concerns of this project were therefore then how to design this to meet the
quality levels and the capability levels, and we think we've accomplished that. Now, first
as I told you, the series of buildings are depicted on the site plan, and I want to pay
particular attention to a couple of details. In working with staff, Bob and his office on a
number of occasions, we agreed to reduce the height of the structures along Birdneck
Road I'm sorry, along Laskin Road to five story structures and the rear portion of those
same structures would be six stones. Conversely, we get the same exact thing on the golf
course as five stones along the golf course and six stones on the interior. The building
has drawn a lot of attention, and I want to point this out to you and that is the building
over here on South Oriole Drive. This building, and we have a rendering of that, and if I
could go perhaps to the next one. This particular elevation depicts the location. Laskin
Road would be here and South Oriole would be here. This is the Merchant's Tire and
Auto on the corner. This is the building that I'm speaking about and I've pointed these
things out to you in the record because I promised Mr. Nuckols and the Cove Point
Condominium Association that I would make a particular reference of these features.
This is a structure that really goes from two to three to five and six stones. It is designed
to be two stories here because it is adjacent to structures across the street that are two
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stories and in some cases three story structures So, we had to pay particular attention to
that, and this is all part of the proffered plan that is submitted to staff and apparently this
particular rendering did not make the staff s web page so we told them that we would
make a particular point of pointing it out to them in the presentation that this would be
the building, that is in fact intended for the property and proffered for the property. The
other nice components of this are that we brought this application to not only with staff
comments for review and their recommendation but we also presented this proposal to
the Resort Advisory Commission as a request to the Resort Advisory Commission. They
also have recommended approval of the application. We have met with the Birdneck
Point Civic League and the Birdneck Point Civic League has also voted to recommend
approval. I have a letter from them and in fact, I'll be happy to pass out to you Most
recently, we've met with Cove Point and they asked us to address several issues and I
want to take a little time to do that. One I've already addressed with you, namely the
building that's adjacent to the entrance to their property. The other issues they were
concerned principally had to do with, and I could go back to the perhaps the plan of entry
zoning map Ashby. Their access way is right here off of South Oriole Drive. They were
concerned about traffic stacking up entering this property because we have an access way
proposed back here and our principal entrance is here, but as you all know there's a
median that goes along here with no median break. If you're coming from a westerly
direction traveling east then when you come to this light you have several ways of
entering the property. You can go up to the Birdneck Point entrance and go down the
-1 feeder and come in that way. You can go down Laskin Road to Oriole and either do a u-
turn, which is rather tight quite frankly, do a u-turn here and come in that way, or you can
go down to Oriole and enter the property in that direction. So, there was concern that
there would be increased traffic on Oriole and Oriole is only 30-foot wide nght-of-way.
Although we showed them and they didn't deny that with this reduction in density, and as
your staff report points out we are reducing the amount of traffic per day from 1,400 to
about 97 vehicle trips per day. They acknowledged all that. What we agreed to do in
short, and we submitted a letter to Faith that says we would agree to move this first
building which is right here further to this direction by 10-12 feet so we could dedicate
about a 10 foot area along here so we could install a turn lane for stacking into our site.
We have no objection to that whatsoever. The staff would have to agree to that during
site plan approval, but we have proffered that. I shouldn't say that but we have written to
staff requesting to be able to do that. We urge the civic league to work with us to make
that happen. We hope to work with the district representative on Council to pull that in,
and again we would be making those improvements. I see the light is coming so I'll try
to wrap up briefly.
Ronald Ripley: The light has come and gone.
R.J. Nutter: Come and gone? I would like to pass this letter out to you, and I'll probably
respond if I could to any questions.
Ronald Ripley: I'm sure you'll find ways of getting your points out.
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R.J. Nutter: You are all very good about letting us add to and address questions because
they are questions here. I want to make sure that we got those points out to the civic
league.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Thank you very much. We have a John Milleson to give support
of this. Do you wish to speak?
John Milleson: Hi. I'm John Milleson. I'm the General Manager of Cavalier Golf and
Yacht Club. I'm here on behalf of the Board of Directors, who are unanimously
supporting this project. We believe it will add greatly to the entire neighborhood of
Birdneck Point, and it's a very suitable part of what we see as beneficial to the city at
large. Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you very much. Are there any questions? Is there anybody else
to speak in favor of the application? In opposition is a Mike Nuckols, an attorney with
Fraggert and Frieden Is this who you are representing, the Cove Point Condominium
Association?
Mike Nuckols: That's correct.
Ronald Ripley: Okay.
Mike Nuckols: I thank you for hearing me. I wasn't sure to sign up in opposition or in
favor. You don't have a box that's in between, and that's where I am right now with the
Association
Ronald Ripley: Okay.
Mike Nuckols: We have met with representatives of the applicant, Mr Nutter, and we've
been able to work through a number of issues and concerns that we have had initially and
quite frankly, the Association would really like to support this project 100 percent. They
think it's an excellent project. It has a lot of ment to it. There is one major issue
however that concerns the Association and the residents of Cove Point, which is that
intersection at Oriole Drive and Laskin Road Currently, I am told that there are times
when residents try to exist the condominium have to sit through two or three light cycles
just to get on Laskin Road. The reason for that is because the road is so narrow that
unless people pull over far enough to make a double lane, you can't make a right turn to
exit on to the feeder road. There is also quite a bit of traffic there and so it's a concern
We also realize that it's one that this developer doesn't really have any real direct control
over, but it is something that the city has some control or ability to control. We want to
employ the city to look at this intersection and to take an affirmative action to make the
improvements that really are needed for this intersection. There are a couple of projects
on the other side of Laskin Road that are currently underway as I understand it that would
also empty into this intersection creating additional traffic back up and tie ups. Unless
something is done soon it's going to be a major problem for everybody worse than it is
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now What really brought this to our attention is the fact that there really will be no
median break for this project. As R.J pointed out, if you want to enter into the main
entrance you either have to get on that feeder road at the Birdneck light or you will have
to come to Oriole and make u-turn either onto Laskin or on to the feeder road, which
further ties up traffic trying to exit or turn right coming out of Onole and go west on
Laskin Road. It's the sense of the Association that people who are trying east on Laskin
who want to enter this project are not going to bother with that u-turn and are not going to
turn onto Birdneck Road, they're going to come to Oriole, make a left and go down and
turn into the entrance that's projected and proposed off of Oriole. The applicant has
addressed that issue by offering to establish a center turn lane going into the project and
that helps in that direction but it doesn't help exiting onto Laskin. When you add these
new developments into the mix it's really going to create a headache and some potential
problems that quite frankly are already there in many ways. The feeder roads are difficult
to negotiate in any event. I don't know if you ever tried to make a turn at that
intersection at all but I have. I used to work down there back in the mid to late 80's, just
down the road at the Birdneck intersection. Even at that time, entering on to that feeder
road was a problem. I know it's only gotten worse since that time As I say, the
Association would really like to support the project because they think it is an excellent
use, but we also would like the Planning Commission and the City Council to add to their
agenda a project that would take care of the issues and problems and traffic congestion
that currently exists and is only going to be made worse by these additional projects
entering into the intersection. I'll be happy to answer any questions.
Ronald Ripley: Mr. White, can I ask you something?
Stephen White. Sir.
Ronald Ripley: With the Laskin Road improvements, we got one side of Laskin Road
that is going to be improved up to about Birdneck, just a little bit beyond and the second
one all the way to the Oceanfront. Are there preliminary plans out showing how Laskin
Road will be treated in this area, which might alleviate some of the concerns of Mr.
Nuckols?
Stephen White: For this section of Laskin Road, those plans are currently under design.
We looked at the conceptual, and my feeling is that some of these issues, if not all of
them, will be resolved by those plans and what's being done with that. However, I've got
to tell you that those plans are conceptual at this point. They are not final. The other
thing that is noted in staff report is there are still issues with that access point on Oriole,
and that is an issue that would have to be addressed during site plan review. Traffic
Engineering itself is not comfortable with that access on Oriole, as of yet, and that access
may not even be there. There are still some issues to resolve as far as turn lanes and
those kinds of things.
Ronald Ripley: Even going a step further though, I think they can take into harp with
what Mr. Nuckols says here, and take those notes back to traffic to explain the concerns
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of those of the Association as they go a long ways if you fit it into the plan.
Stephen White: Absolutely.
Ronald Ripley: If you all would do that we would appreciate it.
Stephen White: We'll be glad to.
Mike Nuckols: The biggest problem with the Laskin Road project is waiting on it,
because there is no real time frame as I understand it. That's where the Association is
coming from. They really do like the project, but this intersection is trouble now, and it
is only going to get worse.
Ronald Ripley: Your comments will bring focus to it I'm sure.
Mike Nuckols: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you very much. We have Ray Firenze from Oceana.
Ray Firenze: Good afternoon. My name is Ray Firenze. I'm representing the Navy at
Oceana, and I'm here today in opposition to the proposed. Before I start I'd like to tell
w-, you, Mr. Nutter, I've met with him and his staff, his architect and all the concerns that
I'm going to lay out for you here I shared with him a week ago. This project is two and
half miles northeast of Oceana in a 70-75 decibel day/night average noise zone. It's in
accident potential zone number two It's directly aligned to our runway two three, which
accounted for 47 percent of 218,000 annual flight operations in 2002. That is about
102,000 operations. What you see there is one straight line coming off the ocean, but that
actually represents five different flight tracks. For example, there are two flight tracks
that I analyze, two radar type approaches between September 2002 and August 2003. We
over flew that area 4,891 times, and that's just two of the tracks. So what does that
mean? It's two and half miles, at about five miles at 1500 feet the airplane starts final
descent into the runway At 300 feet a mile the rate of descent we're going to be over the
top of that complex at 800 feet. So what does mean? It means that were going to over
fly that place quite frankly and at night, no doubt. Using metric caught sound exposure
level and what the sound exposure level does is it measures the impact of the noise
duration, the maximum and minimal db levels, so what they can expect is an F-18 right
now, Hornet, at a 1,000 feet is 109 decibels and a Super Hornet, which we are getting.
Now the last time I was up here that decision hadn't been made. It's going to be 114
decibels, but if you want to compare some decibel levels, normal conversation is 60 db
and a rock concert is a 110 db. So you will have 100,000 rock concerts flying over year.
It's not only about jet noise. It's also a safety issue about putting this complex in an
accident potential zone. Oceana and Fentress are 24-hour facilities. We ask that you
consider our concerns on your way to a final decision and like our letter stated from Capt.
Keeley, that we view further development in this area as incompatible and an
encroachment upon operations at Oceana. That's it. Thank you
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Ronald Ripley: Are there questions of Ray?
Ray Firenze: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Yes, Mr. Nutter, please.
R.J. Nutter: Thank you. I want to thank Ray and the gentleman that he brought with him
and I keep forgetting his name. Forgive me.
Ray Firenze: Bobby Roundtree.
R.J. Nutter: Bobby Roundtree. Thank you very much. We appreciate the opportunity to
meet with them We shared with them quite a bit of information about this project and
now Just what we showed you but a lot of the construction details. I shared a little bit of
that with you. This is not a normal stick and brick construction. When you go to six
stones in height and five stones in height these buildings are all constructed out of
concrete and steel. They have the heaviest of installation and windows So from the
sound effect, they are built to standards that, quite frankly that most residential buildings
in this area don't meet at all, well in excessive. Secondly, we've tried to point out and I
think and they don't deny. This is a little different then other applications that have taken
a more public stand on where the zoning is not in place and where you have a situation
---, where the existing zoning allows a degree of intense development far and excess of
what's being proposed. In fact, this is definitely a reduction in the number of people
living, working, and being in and around that same exact area with this application.
That's the one point that I think I can almost leave with you, because there is no other
way to reduce the potential impact on what can be built on that property other than a
rezoning application and otherwise you can go 267 units plus B-1 and B-2 properties in
additional to that, unconditional. As you may know H-1 district does not have height
limit. We have a height here in this case of 85 feet at the highest point. If there were no
zoning there, I would have a difficult time making this presentation But the fact is that
we're reducing what's there and that's an improvement in terms of what the potential
problems are here. Secondly, we're building this to standards that far exceed residential
normal standard. Third, let me tell you that the normal buyer and what we're finding is
that the buyers for these properties are interested in the properties as staying there for
only months a year. Most of these are second homes for them. This is what we shared
with the other condominium owners at Cove Point as well. The other is, quite frankly is
that many of them live right in and around this area today and at Cove Point, we've
talked with them and we've talked with and we've met in their room, which is Just right
across the street. They know it very well and several of them expressed some interest in
it. I just want to tell you that people, who live, work and play in this area no this issue.
They like the Navy they think they are an asset. They use the ability to live on that
property as an asset. This is the only thing that I can tell you that we'll actually reduce
the concerns that the Navy might have by reducing the densities or by right can be built
on the property. That is how we tried to address their concerns. That is why we think this
distinguishes us from other cases that they have taken a public position on. Mr. Ripley,
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thank you for the opportunity to respond and rebut, and I'll be happy to answer any
questions. We've got everybody here and if you have any questions whatsoever.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any questions of Mr. Nutter?
Barry Knight- R.J., two questions. Is any person who buys the condominium unit going
to have a disclosure?
R.J Nutter: Yes sir.
Barry Knight- I mean, Oceana was here first. They need to understand that, nght9
You're signing this document, and I'm sure that Ray will probably and hopefully won't
get any complaints, but they were put on notice when they bought this condo unit.
R.J. Nutter- That's correct. In fact, we've suggested in this case, and in fact Ray asked
us if we would consider what he called a "sight specific" warning. Not just what is
required in the ordinance but one that identifies the particulars are there and the number
of fights that apply. We certainly have no objection to that.
Barry Knight: Number two. I noticed that in the 70-75 decibel range and course that is
outside. If someone was in their house what type of reduction do you get on decibel
rating by being inside by the way you're going to construct this building?
R.J. Nutter I would have to ask Dan. I know it's a big one because this is so much
better than my home. My home is built with sticks and basically with lumber. I don't
have concrete doors and steel construction. I apologize. If it held up during the
hurricane, I guess I'm okay. It is not the normal wood frame construction. Dan, if you
can try to address that.
Dan Sampson Again, I'm Dan Sampson with Sampson and Associates Architects
We're the design architects for the project. The city ordinance requires and establishes a
minimum a STC rating for the exterior walls within each of the different sound zones
We certainly anticipate and will anticipate exceeding those requirements. I think the STC
rating in that area has to be at least 56, which translates to essentially six inches of steel
planks with installation, a couple of layers on either side. There will be siding on the
outside. The roof also has similar sound attenuation requirements and in addition to our
efforts we will be employing an engineer will be involved in the design of the building
and also give us the opportunity to ensure that our construction is going to deal with the
sound issues that are there, if we don't it is not going to sell. So, we haven't done
anything for our client unless we do provide that level of construction. Overall, the
building is planning on being a steel structure with pre -cast concrete planks. The central
core will be a masonry structure inside the building.
Barry Knight: Can you give me a number as far as decibel reduction? If it's 75 sound on
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your porch, can you give me a number what you will think it will be inside with the
windows closed?
Dan Sampson: No. Other than that it will be definitely what the ordinance requires and
probably greater than that.
Barry Knight. Hopefully greater than that.
Dan Sampson: Certainly greater.
Barry Knight: I'm sure you're going to exceed the minimums, I would think.
Dan Sampson: To give you a specific number, I would risk the probability of being
wrong. That's not something I'm involved in. I'm telling you that our staff will include
or the team that's designing will include acoustics as well
Barry Knight: When Ray told us 60 decibels for normal conversation, I've got a
benchmark on that. You said you couldn't, and I understand that but I'd like to ask this
question, and I'll ask it again if you come before us again and you want a different
project. I'd like to know how much it would lower, because if it lowers it to 65 decibels,
Ray isn't going to get to many phone calls, but if only lowers it two or three decibels, he
might receive a phone call or two.
Dan Sampson: Certainly. They put out a little pamphlet that explains that the minimum
requirements for the sound zones.
Eugene Crabtree- Ray said the Super Hornets dbs are 114 dbs. I think what Barry wants
to say is because 114 dbs that's coming over there at 800 foot, what is the dbs going to be
inside one of these apartments?
Dan Sampson: I can't answer that, other than to tell you that the ordinance will be
complied with.
Eugene Crabtree- Noise doesn't bother me as much as crashes. I don't care how much
steel you put there it's not going to stop one of those Super Hornets if it goes into the side
of that building, and it's going to have 102,000 flights a year right over there. That to me
is a major concern, and I want to know if the people who are going to buy those things, if
they are going to be aware and fully aware of this as well as they are the noise because
ten years from now I don't want somebody suing the United States Government for 60
million dollars because one of those went into one of those buildings.
Dan Sampson: Certainly
Eugene Crabtree. Or the noise Either one.
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Dan Sampson: I mean, life has risks
Eugene Crabtree: I understand that.
Dan Sampson: As long as you're informed.
Eugene Crabtree: The Navy knows it, but are your clients going to know it?
Dan Sampson: The answer is yes.
Eugene Crabtree: As you know, I am torn between this, in fact that you can build a hotel
there and have a lot more people there and have tourist there, or you can build it this way
and have a reduction. You're darned if you do and you're damed if you don't type thing.
R.J. Nutter I think it makes it more plausible for you because quite frankly you are able,
and we've worked with instances before, with the Navy where we've had higher density
possibilities and lower them and those were about two years ago. I don't know how to
equate that today.
Eugene Crabtree: I'm more concerned with the accident potential.
—� R.J Nutter- I understand. That's why I think that what this does and this is the only
opportunity you have on this property to reduce the accident potential problems that
could exist. That's the best way I know how to put it. It's going down to 90 units from
264 plus B-2 and B-1. That's a big, big reduction. We acknowledge the issue and
thought there was a way as to building it the right way and put people on notice to what's
going on We feel like no one knows this. If you go down on Birdneck Road where all
those people live and work at Birdneck Point, this is no strange subject to them. When
we sat at Cove Point we had several flyovers at that time. They know it very well.
You're right, not many leave it. They would love it. They would absolutely love it. You
can see the ocean, go to the country club and play golf, and they're perfectly happy.
They were happy to see these units would be built and probably raised the fair market
value.
Dan Sampson: I can also add that without having advertised the owners have informed
us that they already have 23 reservations. That's not a purchase, but it's got that kind of
interest, and they haven't even tned to advertise it yet.
Ronald Ripley: Are there other comments? Yes, Kathy.
Kathy Katsias. This is a wonderful improvement to this location. I was wondering about
Merchant's Tire.
R.J Nutter: We've had a lot of questions about that. Let me tell you the situation.
We've talked to the property owners Right now, this property is covered by a lease, and
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it has about five years left on its term. This property we built is in phases, in that it's
starting from the west and moving east. It's our hope that as we get closer to that time
period and the closest to the termination of that lease that we might be able to work
arrangements with them at that time. That's the most asked question that we've had from
Birdneck Point, Cove Point and other residents that we've spoken with. We are trying to
negotiate with them if at all possible.
Kathy Katsias. Thank you.
R J Nutter- Yes ma'am.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Thank you very much.
R.J Nutter- My pleasure Mr. Ripley.
Ronald Ripley: Is there any discussion amongst the Commissioners? Charlie.
Charlie Salle': This is a project that I want to support. I do want to make a comment as
far as what the people from Oceana had to say, and that although I support the project, I
do take what they have to say very seriously. I think it's an area where we do have a
potential for the development, and I think that's what is better in the long run. I think that
--� as much as I'm concerned with the noise and more so then the crash potential, I think we
have to look at the reality of the situation, and we understand that neither the Navy or the
city is going to condemn and prevent any development within the areas that are colored
on that map. So, absence that commitment there's going to be development, and there's
no way we can deny that, and so I think what we have to do is try and control the
development in the best possible way I think this project does that for that property. As
I say, absent wiping out all developing and buying that land up by either the city or the
Navy, which never will happen, we have to deal with reality that something is going to
happen there and try to manage it the best way we can.
Ronald Ripley- Gene
Eugene Crabtree: I tend to agree with Charlie. Everybody knows that I support the
military and the Navy thoroughly in this, but unfortunately, I think we're going to have to
go with this because it's the less of two evils. If we don't go with this and something else
goes there, I think we might have more potential for something far more dangerous.
Therefore, I think this is the lesser of the things that we might decide to do. Even though
it sort of goes different in my brain, I'm going to support this application, I think
Ronald Ripley: Are there other comments? Yes, Jan.
Janice Anderson: I just want to say that I think it is a quality product. It is a gateway in
to the resort area, being Laskin Road, and that it could spread improvement and that
follows the Comprehensive Plan and what they have to improve the gateways. They
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have support of the neighbors, and I think that is a good. There is concern for I believe
Public Works can improve the work on with the street problem. With comment said by
the Planning Commissioners, I'd make a motion to approve
Ronald Ripley: We have a motion to approve by Jan Anderson, seconded by Kathy
Katsias. Is there any more discussion? I want to make a comment to and I'll try not to be
redundant. The project is a beautiful project. It's absolutely perfect for the city,
however, I think the location relative to the crash zone, and I think Charlie probably
expressed it well, and I think those people up here understand that, and that is the zoning
is in place and by-nght is a far more intense development that could occur, and this what
one point that I had to wrestle with the application. All other things in the application
were absolutely outstanding. So, we take it to heart, but we're kind of between a rock
and a hard spot unlike the last application Anyway, I'm going to support it also. Are
there any other comments9 Let's call for the question.
AYE 10 NAY 0
ANDERSON
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Ronald Ripley: By a vote of 10-0, the motion carries.
ABSENT
FORM NO P S 16
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City Of Virgiriia Beach
In Reply Refer To Our File No DF-5764
TO: Leslie L. Lilley
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FROM: B. Kay Wilso
INTER -OFFICE CORRESPONDENCE
RE: Conditional Zoning Application
Near Post, LLC, et als
DATE: October 16, 2003
DEPT: City Attorney
DEPT: City Attorney
The above -referenced conditional zoning application is scheduled to be heard by the
City Council on October 28, 2003. I have reviewed the subject proffer agreement, dated
July 25, 2003, and have determined it to be legally sufficient and in proper legal form. A
copy of the agreement is attached.
Please feel free to call me if you have any questions or wish to discuss this matter
further.
BKW
Enclosure
Document Prepared By:
Troutman Sanders LLP
222 Central Park Avenue
Suite 2000
Virginia Beach, Virginia 23462
Phone: (757) 687-7500
Facsimile: (757) 687-7510
AGREEMENT
THIS AGREEMENT (the "Agreement") is made this 25th day of July, 2003 by and
between NEAR POST, LLC, a Virginia lirruted liability company (hereinafter referred to as
"Grantor"), the contract purchaser of certain parcels of property generally located on the north
side of Laskin Road, west of Oriole Drive in Virginia Beach, Virginia, which property is more
fully described on Exhibit A attached hereto (hereinafter the "Property"), INTERNATIONAL
INVESTORS, a Virginia general partnership, BNE RESTAURANT GROUP II, L.L.C., a
Delaware limited liability company, and CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB, a Virginia
corporation (hereinafter collectively referred to as "Grantor") and the CITY OF VIRGINIA
BEACH, a municipal corporation of the Commonwealth of Virginia (hereinafter referred to as
"Grantee").
WITNESSETH:
WHEREAS, the Grantor has initiated an amendment to the Zoning Map of the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, by petition addressed to the Grantee, so as to change the classification
from H1, B 1, B2 and R40 to A-36 Conditional on the Property, and
WHEREAS, the Grantee's policy is to provide only for the orderly development of land
for various purposes, including mixed use purposes, through zoning and other land development
legislation; and
GPIN NOS.: 2418-61-3236-0000
2418-61-6228-0000
2418-24-6584-0000
2418-51-7557-0000
WHEREAS, the Grantor acknowledges that the competing and sometimes incompatible
uses conflict, and that in order to permit differing uses on and in the area of the subject Property
and at the same time to recognize the effects of the change and the need for various types of uses,
certain reasonable conditions governing the use of the Property for the protection of the
community that are not generally applicable to land similarly zoned A-36 are needed to cope with
the situation to which the Grantor's rezoning application gives rise; and
WHEREAS, the Grantor has voluntarily proffered in writing in advance of and prior to
the public hearing before the Grantee, as part of the proposed conditional amendment to the
Zoning Map, in addition to the regulations provided for in the existing A-36 zoning district by
the existing City's Zoning Ordinance (CZO), the following reasonable conditions related to the
physical development, operation and use of the Property to be adopted as a part of said
amendment to the new Zoning Map relative to the Property, all of which have a reasonable
relation to the rezoning and the need for which is generated by the rezoning; and
WHEREAS, said conditions having been proffered by the Grantor and allowed and
accepted by the Grantee as part of the amendment to the Zoning Ordinance, such conditions shall
continue in full force and effect until a subsequent amendment changes the zoning on the
Property covered by such conditions; provided, however, that such conditions shall continue
despite a subsequent amendment if the subsequent amendment is part of the comprehensive
implementation of a new or substantially revised zoning ordinance, unless, notwithstanding the
foregoing, these conditions are amended or vaned by written instrument recorded in the Clerk's
Office of the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia and executed by the record
owner of the subject Property at the time of recordation of such instrument; provided, further,
that said instrument is consented to by the Grantee in writing as evidenced by a certified copy of
ordinance or resolution adopted by the governing body of the Grantee, after a public hearing
before the Grantee advertised pursuant to the provisions of the Code of Virginia, Section 15.2-
2204, which said ordinance or resolution shall be recorded along with said instrument as
conclusive evidence of such consent.
NOW THEREFORE, the Grantor, for itself, its successors, assigns, grantees, and other
successors in title or interest, voluntarily and without any requirement by or exaction from the
Grantee or its governing body and without any element of compulsion of quid pro I quo for
zoning, rezoning, site plan, building permit or subdivision approval, hereby make the following
declaration of conditions and restrictions which shall restrict and govern the physical
development, operation and use of the Property and hereby covenant and agree that these proffers
(collectively, the "Proffers") shall constitute covenants running with the said Property, which
shall be binding upon the Property and upon all parties and persons claiming under or through
the Grantor, it's heirs, personal representatives, assigns, grantees and other successors in interest
or title, namely:
1. The Property shall be developed and landscaped substantially as shown on the
exhibit entitled "Conceptual Site Layout and Landscape Plan of The Pines at
Birdneck" prepared by MSA, P.C. and dated 7/24/03 (hereinafter the "Site Plan").
2. The total number of dwelling units on the Property shall not exceed ninety (90).
3. Access to the Property shall be provided from Laskin Road and Oriole Drive and
no vehicular access shall be provided to the Property from Tanager Trail.
4. When developed, the existing three curb cuts located on Laskin Road shall be
closed and the only access to the Property from Laskin Road shall be restricted to
one location as shown on the Site Plan.
5. The architectural design and exterior building materials utilized on the dwelling
units shall be substantially as shown on the exhibit entitled. "The Pines at
Birdneck" prepared by Sampson and Associates, P.C. and dated July 24, 2003.
6. The recreational facility shown on the Site Plan shall be constructed with the same
architectural style and building materials as the primary structures on Property.
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7. An architectural fence shall be constructed along portions of the perimeter of the
Property as depicted on the Site Plan. The design, materials and height of the
fence shall be depicted as shown on the exhibit entitled "Architectural Fence
Detail" prepared by Sampson and Associates, P.C. and dated July 24, 2003.
8. An enclosed one or two car garage shall be provided for each dwelling unit.
9. The Grantor shall dedicate a twenty foot public utility easement for maintenance
and repair of the five inch water line located at the southern edge of the Tanager
Trail cul-de-sac, and along the northern boundary of the Property, or shall relocate
the water line subject to the approval of the Department of Public Utilities.
10. The Grantor agrees to insert in the Sales Contracts between Grantor and the
Purchasers of the units within the Pines at Birdneck the following notices:
(a) The Property is located within the 70 to 75 Db Ldn Noise Zone and the
Aircraft Accident Potential Zone (APZ) H for the NAS Oceana Air Base.
During flight trials, there is the potential for direct overflies of the Property;
(b) The preceding facts are subject to change and potential buyers are urged to
contact the Community Planning Liaison Officer at NAS Oceana.
Further conditions mandated by applicable development ordinances may be required by
the Grantee during detailed Site Plan and/or subdivision review and administration of applicable
City Codes by all cognizant City agencies and departments to meet all applicable City Code
requirements
All references hereinabove to zoning districts and to regulations applicable thereto, refer
to the City Zoning Ordinance of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, in force as of the date the
conditional zoning amendment is approved by the Grantee.
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The Grantor covenant and agree that (1) the Zoning Administrator of the City of Virginia
Beach, Virginia shall be vested with all necessary authority on behalf of the governing body of
the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia to administer and enforce the foregoing conditions,
including (i) the ordering in writing of the remedying of any noncompliance with such
conditions, and (ii) the bringing of legal action or suit to ensure compliance with such conditions,
including mandatory or prohibitory injunction, abatement, damages or other appropriate action,
suit or proceedings; (2) the failure to meet all conditions shall constitute cause to deny the
issuance of any of the required building or occupancy permits as may be appropriate; (3) if
aggrieved by any decision of the Zoning Administrator made pursuant to the provisions of the
City Code, the CZO or this Agreement, the Grantor shall petition the governing body for the
review thereof prior to instituting proceedings in court; and (4) the Zoning Map shall show by an
appropriate symbol on the map the existence of conditions attaching to the zoning of the subject
Property on the map and that the ordinance and the conditions may be made readily available and
accessible for public inspection in the office of the Zoning Administrator and in the Planning
Department and that they shall be recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City
of Virginia Beach, Virginia and indexed in the name of the Grantor and Grantee.
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Signature Page of
Near Post, LLC
To Proffer Agreement
Dated � �,-�%OZ 2 _4 2003
NEAR POST, LLC
A Virginia limited liability company
By �-
Jack C WhCte
Managing Member
COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGR' IA
CITY OF CL ac� , to -wit
The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this 2 day of • s i
20031P by John C White, personally known to me to be the Managing Member of ear ost, LLC,
a Virginia limited liability company, on behalf of the Company
Notary Public
My Commission Expires ( A&t0_'4
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Signature Page of
International Investors
To Proffer Agreement
Dated 4 , 2003
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INTERNATIONAL INVESTORS
A Virginia general partnership
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STATE OF
CITY/COUNTY OF ZI,060V�� , to -wit
The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this C�� day of
003, by i ,6 //P%— , personally known to me to'be the
n e/a4 Q rr/AU e✓ of International Investors, a Virginia general partnership, on behalf of the
Partnership
Notary Public
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Signature Page of
BNE Restaurant Group, II, LLC
To Proffer Agreement
Dated j,,ly 29 , 2003
BNE RESTAURANT GROUP, II, L.L.C.
A Delaware limited liability company
By: BNE Restaurant Corp.,
A Delaware corporation, '
Managing Member
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Name:
Title:
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STATE OF (A/IPiK�
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2 03 b personally known to me to be th
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of BNE Restaurant Corp., a Delaware corporation, Managing Member of BNE
Restaurant Group II, LLC, a Delaware limited liability company, on behalf of the Company.
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Signature Page of
Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club
To Proffer Agreement
Dated 2.5 FG Ja , 2003
CAVALIER GOLF & YACHT CLUB
A Virginia corporation
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COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA
CITY OF �� �� , to -wit -
The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this Z day of
2003, by S&hn 6 1h, %/e6U)-� , personally known to me to be the resident of
Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club, a Virginia corporation, on behalf of the Corporation
Notary Public
My Commission Expires `MD V' A fir; 940
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EXHIBIT A
Parcel 1:
(GPIN No 2418-61-3236-0000)
Parcel One: ALL THAT certain lot, piece or parcel of land with the buildings and improvements
thereon, situate in the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, and more particularly known, numbered
and designated as Site 14, as shown on the plat entitled "CLUB SECTION, BIRDNECK POINT"
which said plat is duly recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia
Beach, Virginia in Map Book 7, Page 2, at Page 192.
Parcel Two: ALL THOSE certain lots, pieces or parcels of land with the buildings and
improvements thereon, situate, lying and being in the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia and being
known, numbered and designated as Sites 12 and 13, "CLUB SECTION, BIRDNECK POINT,"
made by John M. Baldwin, C.E., and recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the
City of Virginia Beach, Virginia in Map Book 7, Part 2, at Page 192.
TOGETHER WITH that certain tract of land lying between Sites 12 and 13, "CLUB SECTION
AND LASKIN BOULEVARD," and more particularly bounded and described as follows, to -wit -
BEGINNING at a point which is the northwest corner of Site 12 of "CLUB
SECTION, BIRDNECK POINT" and in the southern line of Tanager Trail, as
shown on the plat of "CLUB SECTION, BIRDNECK POINT" and from said
point of beginning running along the southern line of Tanager Trail in an easterly
direction along the arc of a circle the radius of which is 1,686.4 feet a distance of
200 feet to a pin in the dividing line of Sites 12 and 13 on the plat of "CLUB
SECTION, BIRDNECK POINT;" thence continuing in an easterly direction along
the southern line of Tanager Trail as shown on the plat "CLUB SECTION,
BIRDNECK POINT" and along a curve the radius of which is 1,686.4 feet a
distance of 200 feet to a pin in the northeast corner of Site 13, plat of "CLUB
SECTION, BIRDNECK POINT" thence turning and running S. 30 degrees 15'
30" E. along the eastern line of said Site 13 a distance of 150 feet to a pin; thence
running S. 30 degrees 50' 30" E. a distance of 165 feet to the northern line of
Laskin Boulevard; thence turning and running westerly along a curve, the radius
of which is 1,371.4 feet a distance of 325.28 feet along the northern line of Laskin
Boulevard to a pin, thence turning and running N. 44 degrees 34' 39" W. a
distance of 165 feet to a pin the southwest corner of Site 12, plat of "CLUB
SECTION, BIRDNECK POINT," thence running along the western line of Site
12 a distance of 150 feet to the point of beginning
LESS SAVE AND EXCEPT that portion of the property conveyed to the Commonwealth of
Virginia adjacent to Laskin Boulevard consisting of approximately .33 acres, more of less, by
deed duly recorded in the aforesaid Clerk's Office in Deed Book 305, at Page 441, and more
particularly shown in Highway Plat Book 1, at Page 446.
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IT BEING the same property conveyed to International Investors, a Virginia general partnership,
by Deed of General Warranty from Clark Enterprises, a Virginia general partnership, a successor,
by merger to Birdsong & Clark, a Virginia general partnership, dated February 11, 1984 and
recorded in the aforesaid Clerk's Office in Deed Book 23247 at Page 397.
TOGETHER WITH that portion of a closed street and cul-de-sac, formerly known as Tanager
Trail, which is 30' wide and abuts the northern boundary of Lots 12, 13 and 14 (otherwise known
as The Seashire Inn, 1040 Laskin Road), together with any portion of said Tanager Trail
extending to the southern boundary of Oriole Drive, reference being made to a certain plat
entitled "MAP OF BIRDNECK POINT, CLUB SECTION," property of Birdneck Realty
Corporation dated June 1926, in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court Virginia Beach, Virginia
in Map Book 7, Part 2, at Page 192
LESS SAVE AND EXCEPT that portion of the property conveyed to the Cavalier Golf & Yacht
Club, a Virginia corporation, consisting of approximately 0.041 acres, more of less, by Deed of
Exchange duly recorded in the aforesaid Clerk's Office as Instrument No. 200303040833046.
TOGETHER WITH that portion of the property conveyed to International Investors, a Virginia
general partnership, from the Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club, a Virginia corporation, consisting of
approximately 0.041 acres, more of less, by Deed of Exchange duly recorded in the aforesaid
Clerk's Office as Instrument No. 200303040833046.
Parcel 2:
(GPIN No. 2418-61-6228-0000)
ALL THAT certain lot, piece or parcel of land with the buildings and improvements thereon,
situate, lying and being in the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, and being known, numbered and
designated as Parcel B-1-A, as shown on that certain plat entitled, "RESUBDIVISION OF
PARCEL A, PARCEL B-1, LOT 15, AND LOT 16, AS SHOWN ON PLAT ENTITLED
`SUBDIVISION OF PARCEL `B' PROPERTY OF PAUL W. ACKISS AND FRANK W.
HANCOCK, JR. AND PARCEL 5 AS SHOWN ON BOUNDARY SURVEY FOR CAVALIER
BIRDNECK LAND CORPORATION" dated December 6, 1999 and made by Horton & Dodd,
P.C., Surveyors -Engineers -Planners, Chesapeake, Virginia and duly recorded in the Clerk's
Office of the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia in Map Book 283, at page 15.
IT BEING a part of the same property conveyed to BNE Restaurant Group Two, L.L C., a
Delaware limited liability company by Special Warranty Deed from Boddie-Noell Enterprises,
Inc, a North Carolina corporation, dated March 25, 1997 and recorded in the aforesaid Clerk's
Office in Deed Book 3727, at page 1178.
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Parcel 3:
(Part of GPIN No. 2418-24-6584-0000; 2418-51-7557-0000)
ALL THAT certain piece or parcel of land situate, lying and being in the City of Virginia Beach,
Virginia, and being more particularly described as follows:
BEGINNING at an iron pin located in the northeasternmost corner of the property
now or formerly owned by BNE RESTAURANT GROUP H, L.L.C., a Delaware
limited liability company, and shown and described as "Parcel B-1-A" on that
certain plat titled "RESUBDIVISION OF PARCEL A, PARCEL B-1, LOT 15,
AND LOT 16, AS SHOWN ON PLAT ENTITLED "SUBDIVISION OF
PARCEL `B' PROPERTY OF PAUL C ACKISS & FRANK W. HANCOCK, Jr
AND PARCEL 5 AS SHOWN ON BOUNDARY SURVEY FOR CAVALIER
BIRDNECK LAND CORPORATION" dated December 6, 1999, made by Horton
& Dodd, P.C., and recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City
of Virginia Beach, Virginia in Map Book 283, at page 16 (the "Point of
Beginning"); thence N 65°58'36" W, a distance of 108.64 feet to a point; thence
N 25059'20" W, a distance of 82.98 feet to a point; thence N 76028' 13" E a
distance of 101.86 feet to a point; thence N 13005'43"E a distance of 187.12 feet
to a point; thence S 76°54' 17"E, 170.40 feet to a point; thence along a curve to
the right, having a radius of 84.26', a distance of 100.92 feet to a point; thence S
08016'56"E, a distance of 101.62 feet to a point; thence S75040' 15"W, a distance
of 36.14 feet to a point; thence along a curve to the left having a radius of
1536.651, a distance of 206.70 feet to a point; thence N22°55'40"W, a distance of
50.00 feet, to the Point of Beginning.
IT BEING a portion of the that certain piece of land, lying, situate and being in the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia and being known, numbered and designated as a portion of
"RESUBDIVISION OF PARCEL A, PARCEL "B-1, LOT 15, AND LOT 16 AS SHOWN ON
PLAT ENTITLED "SUBDIVISION OF PARCEL "B" PROPERTY OF PAUL W. ACKISS &
FRANK W. HANCOCK, JR., AND PARCEL 5 AS SHOWN ON THE BOUNDARY SURVEY
FOR CAVALIER-BIRDNECK LAND CORPORATION", dated December 6, 1999 made by
Horton & Dodd, P.C., and duly recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia in Map Book 283, at page 16.
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ZONING HISTORY
AT.('AR T.T.'
1. 9/26/00 - REZONING — from AG-1/AG-2 Agricultural District to R-10
Residential District and CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for Open Space
Promotion — Denied
2. 8/10/99 — REZONING — from AGA/AG-2 Agricultural District to R-10
Residential District and CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for Open Space
Promotion — Granted
3. 3/19/84 — REZONING — from AGA Agricultural District to R-5 Residential
District — Granted
4. 3/19/84 — REZONING — from AGA Agricultural District to R-8 Residential
District — Granted
5. 5/28/83 — REZONING — from AGA Agricultural District to R-8 Residential
District — Granted
6. 4/25/88 — REZONING — from R-10(Open Space) Residential District to
PDH2 Planned Development — Withdrawn
7. 1/28/97 — REZONING — from AG-1/AG-2 Agricultural District to R-7.5
Residential District - Granted
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CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: ALCAR, L.L.C. — Change of Zoning District Classification (AG-1 & AG-2
Agricultural Districts to Conditional R-10 Residential
District)
Conditional Use Permit (Open Space Promotion)
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
(a) An Ordinance upon Application of ALCAR, L.L.C. for a Change of Zoning
District Classification from AG-1 and AG-2 Agricultural Districts to Conditional
R-10 Residential District on the north side of Nimmo Parkway (unimproved),
approximately 910 feet west of Rockingchair Lane (GPIN 2404573796;
2404564943; 2404371633). DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE
(b) An Ordinance upon Application of ALCAR, L.L.C. for a Conditional Use
Permit for Open Space Promotion on the north side of Nimmo Parkway
(unimproved), approximately 910 feet west of Rockingchair Lane (GPIN
2404573796; 2404564943, 2404371633). DISTRICT 7 —PRINCESS ANNE
The purpose of the requests is to develop a neighborhood of 132 single-family
homes on 7,500 square foot lots utilizing the Open Space Promotion option.
■ Considerations:
The property is currently vacant. Extensive areas of floodplain and wetlands are
interspersed throughout the site. More than half of the site, or 62.2 acres, is
below the elevation of the 100-year flood level of 6.25 feet. There are three
general categories of wetlands present on this site. The first is tidal wetlands as
defined in the City Zoning Ordinance These wetlands are immediately adjacent
to the floodway of West Neck Creek. The second category is nontidal wetlands
as defined by the Southern Watersheds Management Ordinance and the City
Zoning Ordinance. These wetlands are present on the site for a distance of
approximately 800 feet eastward of the floodway of West Neck Creek and also
along the edge of the stream that traverses through the southeast portion of the
site. The third category is nontidal wetlands under the jurisdiction of the Army
Corps of Engineers and identified as "Isolated/Headwater Wetlands" (IIH
wetlands). Most of these areas are at the edge of the floodplain and on the
higher ground proposed for home lots.
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The subject site has a total area of 112.3 acres. This total area can be broken up
into three categories.
Conservation Area- The Conservation Area consists of 39.5 acres. All
land within this area is below the 100-year floodplain level of 6.25 feet with
the exception of a small knoll where the proposed entrance to the
subdivision is located. There are some tidal and nontidal wetlands
present in this area. This area is to be dedicated to the City for inclusion
in the West Neck Creek linear park.
Open Space Area — The Open Space Area consists of 22.7 acres. The
majority of the land within this area is below the 100-year floodplain level
of 6.25 feet and contains some areas of nontidal wetlands under the
jurisdiction of the Army Corps of Engineers. The Open Space Area
contains four identified park sites, the largest being 37,500 square feet
and the smallest being 15,000 square feet.
Housing Area — The Housing Area consists of approximately 50 acres.
This includes the streets and home lots shown on the conceptual plan.
Most of this area is above the 100 year floodplain level of 6.25 feet. There
are some pockets of I/H wetlands that will be impacted by home
construction. This area can best be described as three islands of high
ground connected by roadways that traverse the lower floodplain and
wetland areas.
The density for this project is calculated on the combined areas of the Open
Space and Housing, which is a total of 72.7 acres. 132 units divided by 72.7
acres equals 1.8 units to the acre. The Comprehensive Plan identifies this area
for residential use at a density of 3.5 units to the acre or less.
The applicant has coordinated access to and from the site with the adjacent
Capital Improvement Program (CIP) roadway project (Nimmo Parkway),
proffering to construct two lanes of that roadway from its current terminus at the
Princess Anne Recreation Center to the subject site. The applicant has also
limited the proposed floodplain fill to the roadways and edges of the lots. In sum,
the applicant has proffered a plan that minimally meets the intent of the various
development ordinances of the City It must be stressed, however, that this site is
identified in the Comprehensive Plan as a Natural Resource/Conservation Area
overlay. The Comprehensive Plan indicates that such areas are more suited for a
low intensity use such as a plant nursery or wetlands bank. The significant land
disturbance associated with a conventional single-family subdivision will no doubt
impact these areas even with the best measures employed in an attempt not to.
It is likely the applicant will encounter significant issues during review of site
plans regarding stormwater drainage. The proffered plan may need adjustment
and the number of lots may decrease in order to provide an adequate stormwater
system that not only serves this site but also integrates well with surrounding
sites The applicant is aware of this possibility.
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Staff recommended approval. There was opposition to the proposal.
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 10-0 to
approve this request as proffered.
■ Attachments:
Staff Review
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Recommended Action: Staff recommends approval. Planning Commission recommends
approval
Submitting Department/Agency: Planning Department
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General Information:
APPLICATION J11-210-CRZ-2002
NUMBER: J 11-210-C U P-2003
REQUEST: 19)Change of Zoning District Classification from AG-1/AG-2 Agricultural
District to Conditional R-10 Residential District
20)Conditional Use Permit for Open Space Promotion
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DISTRICT: 7 - PRINCESS ANNE
SITE SIZE: 112.3 acres
PURPOSE: To rezone the property in order to develop a neighborhood of 132 single-
family homes on 7,500 square foot lots utilizing the Open Space
Promotion option
APPLICATION These requests were deferred at the August 13, 2003 Planning
HISTORY: Commission hearing at the request of the applicant.
Major Issues:
• More than half of the land on the site, or 62.2 acres, is below the elevation of
the 100 year floodplain level of 6.25 feet Land disturbance and fill are
restricted in this area by the City's development ordinances
• Consistency of the proposal with the land use recommendations of the
Comprehensive Plan.
There are two roadway projects planned for roads adjacent to this site,
Nimmo Parkway Phase V-A (CIP 2-121) and Seaboard Road (CIP 2-107).
Coordination and impacts on the
roadway projects are concerns
Land Use, Zoning, and Site
Characteristics:
Existing Land Use and Zoning
The property is currently vacant and is zoned
AG-1 and AG-2 Agricultural District
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Extensive areas of floodplain and wetlands are interspersed throughout the site. More
than half of the site, or 62.2 acres, is below the elevation of the 100-year flood level of
6 25 feet. There are three general categories of wetlands present on this site. The first
is tidal wetlands as defined in the City Zoning Ordinance These wetlands are
immediately adjacent to the floodway of West Neck Creek. The second category is
nontidal wetlands as defined by the Southern Watersheds Management Ordinance and
the City Zoning Ordinance. These wetlands are present on the site for a distance of
approximately 800 feet eastward of the floodway of West Neck Creek and also along
the edge of the stream that traverses through the southeast portion of the site The
third category is nontidal wetlands under the jurisdiction of the Army Corps of Engineers
and identified as "Isolated/Headwater Wetlands" (I/H wetlands). Most of these areas
are at the edge of the floodplain and on the higher ground proposed for home lots.
The site was recently logged in 2000/2001 The mature trees were removed from the
majority of the site Some mature trees were left remaining in the I/H wetland areas,
areas bordering West Neck Creek and a forty to fifty foot area of trees bordering the
neighborhoods of Castleton and Pine Ridge, along the northern boundary of the site
The native vegetation that is currently growing on the site has an average height of 4 to
5 feet at this time
Surrounding Land Use and Zoning
North: • Single-family homes / R-10 (OP) Residential
District
South: • Proposed Nimmo Parkway right-of-way
East: • Single-family homes / R-5D Residential District
West: . West Neck Creek / AG-1 Agricultural District
Zoninq and Land Use Statistics
With Existing Uses consistent with the underlying agricultural zoning
Zoning: on this site, such as a plant nursery or wetlands bank.
With Approximately 132 single-family homes as shown on
Proposed the proffered conceptual subdivision plan associated
Zoning: with this request The number of homes is
approximate and may be less than 132 when the
subdivision plan is reviewed in detail for stormwater
management, utility services, etc
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Zoninq History
The neighborhoods to the west of this site, Pine Ridge and Hunt Club Forest, were
zoned and developed for residential use during the 1970s and 1980s The
neighborhood of Castleton north of the site was developed for residential use more
recently during the 1990s The most recent residential rezoning in this area occurred
south of the site, on the west side of Seaboard Road in 1999 This neighborhood is
known as Princess Anne Woods
On the subject site, a rezoning from AG-1 and AG-2 to R-10 Residential District and a
Conditional Use Permit for Open Space Promotion for 255 single family homes was
denied by City Council on September 26, 2000. The subject request is similar to the
2000 request, except that the number of home sites has been reduced to 132 and there
is far less fill and disturbance of the floodplain on the present plan.
Air Installation Compatible Use Zone (AICUZ)
The northern portion of the subject site is in an AICUZ of 70 to 75dB Ldn surrounding
NAS Oceana. The southern portion of the site is in an AICUZ of 65 to 70 dB Ldn
surrounding NAS Oceana The Navy has reviewed this proposal and does not support
the requested rezoning. A copy of a letter noting the Navy's position on this rezoning is
provided at the end of this report
Public Facilities and Services
Water and Sewer
There is a 30-inch force main in the Nimmo Parkway right-of-way fronting the southeast
portion of the property There is a 16-inch water main in the Nimmo Parkway right-of-
way fronting the southeast portion of the property. This subdivision must connect to
City water Hydraulic analysis, fire demand requirements, and plans and bonds are
required for the construction of the water system
City gravity sewer is not available to this development. Plans and bonds are required
for the construction of a new pump station (off -site) and sewer system.
Transportation
Master Transportation Plan (MTP) / Capital Improvement Program (CIP):
The subject site does not have access to an improved public right-of-way at this
time Proposed Nimmo Parkway borders the site on the south and the applicant has
proffered to construct two lanes of this roadway from its current terminus near the
Fire Station/Library/Recreation Center complex to the east and ending at the new
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subdivision entrance Public Works has reviewed the Traffic Impact Study regarding
this proposal and concurs that this is the most prudent way for this subdivision to
gain access to surrounding roadways.
There are two roadway projects in the vicinity of this subdivision as noted below.
NIMMO PARKWAY PHASE V-A CIP 2-121 —
This project is for construction of a four -lane divided roadway on a six -lane right-of-
way, with a bikepath, from Holland Road at Kellam High School to that part of
Nimmo Parkway Phase V previously constructed to provide access to the Princess
Anne Community Recreation Center from General Booth Boulevard. The estimated
start of construction is July 2006 and estimated completion date is July 2008.
SEABOARD ROAD CIP 2-107 -
This project is for the construction of a three -lane undivided highway from Princess
Anne Road to Nimmo Parkway, a distance of approximately 3,200 feet. This project
will also include an upgrade of the intersection of Princess Anne Road and
Seaboard Road to include a new traffic signal. Additional funding was added for the
interim cost participation project to realign the intersection at Princess Anne Road
The estimated start of construction is July 2006 and the completion date is
November 2007
Traffic Calculations:
This development is expected to generate 1,366 vehicle trips per day.
Schools
The chart below indicates that Kellam High School is currently over capacity. The
information provided below does not take into account the potential impacts of other
proposals pending or under construction that could affect the same schools
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Princess Anne
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generation" represents the number of students that the development will add to the school
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"change" represents the difference between generated students under the existing zoning and under
the proposed zoning The number can be positive (additional students) or negative (fewer students)
Public Safety
Police: The applicant is encouraged to contact and work with the
Crime Prevention Office within the Police Department for crime
prevention techniques and Crime Prevention Through
Environmental Design (OPTED) concepts and strategies as
they pertain to this site.
Fire and No comments at this time Fire requirements will be reviewed
Rescue: during detailed subdivision construction plan review.
Comprehensive Plan
The Comprehensive Plan Map indicates that this property falls under the following two
Planned Land Use Categories. One category is suburban low density that states that
this area should be planned for residential uses below 3.5 dwelling units per acre The
other category is Natural Resource/Conservation that states that the land disturbance in
the area consisting of tidal and nontidal wetlands, sensitive soils, and other natural
features should be avoided, mitigated, or under certain circumstances prohibited
Summary of Proposal
Proposal
• The subject site has a total area of 112 3 acres. This total area can be broken up
into three categories
• Conservation Area- The Conservation Area consists of 39.5 acres. All land
within this area is below the 100-year floodplain level of 6.25 feet with the
exception of a small knoll where the proposed entrance to the subdivision is
located There are some tidal and nontidal wetlands present in this area. This
area is to be dedicated to the City for inclusion in the West Neck Creek linear
park
• Open Space Area — The Open Space Area consists of 22.7 acres. The majority
of the land within this area is below the 100-year floodplain level of 6.25 feet and
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contains some areas of nontsdal wetlands under the jurisdiction of the Army
Corps of Engineers. The Open Space Area contains four identified park sites,
the largest being 37,500 square feet and the smallest being 15,000 square feet.
• Housing Area — The Housing Area consists of approximately 50 acres. This
includes the streets and home lots shown on the conceptual plan Most of this
area is above the 100 year floodplain level of 6 25 feet. There are some pockets
of I/H wetlands that will be impacted by home construction. This area can best
be described as three islands of high ground connected by roadways that
traverse the lower floodplain and wetland areas
• The density for this project is calculated on the combined areas of the Open Space
and Housing, which is a total of 72.7 acres 132 units z- 72 7 acres = 1 8 units to the
acre
Site Design
• The conceptual subdivision plan shows one main entrance to the subdivision from
Nimmo Parkway. The roadway extends northward, crosses a stream, enters the
Housing Area and then comes to an intersection, where the road splits to the east
and northwest
• The southeast portion of the site, where the stream is located, is designated as a
Conservation Area The roadway travels through this Conservation Area for a
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distance of 900 feet before it reaches the Housing Area
• The roadway crosses the floodplain/wetland areas in four locations At each of
these locations, the construction of the roadway will require fill within the floodplain.
• There is also some fill proposed within the floodplain along the edges of some of the
home lots
• The applicant has submitted a conceptual floodplain fill plan to the Development
Services Center (DSC). It has been determined by the DSC that this project falls
under the criteria for administrative review of fill. A conceptual floodplain mitigation
plan was also submitted and reviewed in accordance with the same criteria. The
final approval for fill within the floodplain will depend on detailed engineering design
New information and facts may alter the expectations of the developer and may
ultimately reduce the number of home sites allowed.
• The minimum size for the home lots is shown as 7,500 square feet. Most of the lots
on the plan are uniform; there is not a lot of variation from this minimum lot size
• Most of the home lots back up to the Open Space Area or stormwater management
ponds, except for those along the northern boundary of the site These home lots
are directly adjacent to existing home lots in Castleton and Pine Ridge.
Vehicular and Pedestrian Access
• Currently, the subject site has no direct access to an improved public right-of-way
There is a dirt road on the south side of proposed Nimmo Parkway that connects to
Seaboard Road and travels through this site
• A traffic impact study was submitted by the applicant and reviewed by Public Works
The Department of Public Works concurs with the study's recommendation that
access to the subdivision be provided by Nimmo Parkway. The applicant is
proffering to construct two lanes of Nimmo Parkway within the existing public right-
of-way for a distance of approximately 2,500 feet. The roadway would be built from
the subdivision entrance east to the current terminus of the roadway near the
Princess Anne Recreation Center.
• The section of Nimmo Parkway to be built by the developer would not connect to
Seaboard Road The Department of Public Works does not recommend subdivision
access to Seaboard Road until the planned roadway improvements are constructed
along Seaboard Road to Princess Anne Road with CIP 2-107 (described earlier in
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this report)
• When the two lanes of Nimmo Parkway are built, there will be a new intersection
created at Rockingchair Lane, approximately 910 feet to the east of the new
subdivision's entrance improvements and traffic movement control will be required
for this intersection Residents of Southgate and Hunt Club Forest will have access
to the new two-lane section of Nimmo Parkway in addition to the residents of the
proposed subdivision.
• The proposed subdivision roadway connection to existing Nimmo Parkway will
impact the traffic signal operation and timings at the intersection of Nimmo Parkway
and General Booth Boulevard, and the developer will be responsible for working out
new traffic signal timings.
• A temporary emergency fire station traffic signal may be required in front of the
General Booth Fire Station on Nimmo Parkway. The developer will be responsible
for working with the City regarding design, construction and costs associated with
the installation of this signal.
• The subdivision entrance road has been located to accommodate the preliminary
designs for Seaboard Road and Nimmo Parkway. Additional coordination with these
two CIP projects will be necessary during the detailed engineering phases of the
projects.
• It should be noted that the proposed subdivision will have only one access point and
will not have any connections to neighboring properties.
Architectural Design
• A mixture of one-story and two-story dwellings is planned. The applicant has
proffered four architectural styles and a minimum square footage for the homes. In
addition, it has been proffered that all homes will have a two car garage.
Landscape and Open Space
• The conceptual subdivision plan shows a 39 5 acre Conservation Area to be
dedicated to the City as part of the West Neck Creek linear park. The subdivision
entrance road traverses this Conservation Area in the southeastern portion of the
site It should also be noted that preliminary design plans for the Seaboard Road
and Nimmo Parkway CIP projects show drainage outfalls at the stream located in
the southeastern portion of the Conservation Area. It is likely that the proposed
subdivision will also have drainage outfalls in this area, although no detailed
engineering for stormwater management for the proposed subdivision has been
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conducted
• The conceptual subdivision plan shows the Open Space Area to be dedicated and
maintained by the Homeowner's Association This area is below the 100-year
floodplain elevation of 6 25 feet and contains pockets of nontidal wetlands regulated
by the Army Corps of Engineers.
• The applicant has submitted an application for a permit from the Army Corps of
Engineers for the impacted I/H wetlands associated with this project This
application is currently under review by the Army Corps of Engineers. The permit
application shows that there will be some on -site mitigation to create new nontidal
wetland areas for those being impacted by the roadway and home construction.
These areas of new wetlands are identified as "wetland mitigation" on the conceptual
subdivision plan
• The Open Space Area contains four designated park sites totaling 2 4 acres Three
of the four park sites can be accessed from the main roadway The fourth park site,
adjacent to the northern boundary of the property in the western portion of the site is
not accessible as shown on the conceptual plan due to the fact that it is surrounded
by I/H wetlands that are designated to remain.
Proffers
PROFFER # 1 When development takes place upon that portion of the
Property which is to be developed, it shall be as a single
family residential community substantially in conformance
with the Exhibit entitled "CONCEPTUAL SUBDIVISION
PLAN OF NIMMOS QUAY, VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA",
dated December 12, 2002, prepared by Clark-Nexsen,
which has been exhibited to the Virginia Beach City
Council and is on file with the Virginia Beach Department
of Planning ("Concept Plan")
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable The Concept Plan shows a
conventional single-family subdivision This type of
development, with long winding collector streets and
numerous cul-de-sacs, will, however, result In substantial
land disturbance and alteration of the land within an area
designated as Natural Resource/Conservation by the
Comprehensive Plan The plan does little above the
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minimum required to protect and preserve the highly
vulnerable natural resources on this site The Concept
Plan does though technically meet the minimum
requirements for development It should be noted that one
particularly valuable aesthetic natural resource that is
being eliminated with the current proposal is the existing
forty -fifty foot wooded buffer along the northern boundary
of the site, adjacent to the neighborhoods of Castleton and
Pine Ridge
PROFFER # 2 When the Property is developed, approximately 22.7 acres
of parklands, lakes and recreation areas designated "Open
Space" on the Concept Plan shall be dedicated to and
maintained by the Property Owners Association. When
the Property is developed, playground equipment and
neighborhood park improvements meeting the City's
Department of Parks and Recreation Standards shall be
installed in the four (4) areas designated "PARK" on the
Concept Plan.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer ►s acceptable with the following caveats
Although the Open Space Area contains more acreage
than required, there are some concerns with the area The
Open Space Area shown on the Concept Plan is below the
100-year floodplain elevation of 6 25 feet and contains
several areas of nont1dal wetlands regulated by the Army
Corps of Engineers This area was logged two years ago
and there is only scattered mature vegetation remaining
The average height of the remaining vegetation is four to
five feet and there is not much aesthetic value to this area
The absence of mature vegetation makes the condition of
this open space less than ideal In addition, the
conceptual subdivision plan shows that there will be areas
of nontidal wetlands to remain and new areas of nontidal
wetlands to be created directly adjacent to and/or between
home lots to mitigate for the impacts on existing wetlands
on the site If a permit from the Army Corps of Engineers is
issued for this project as proposed, the ultimate conditions
that will be placed on the permit for the remaining and new
wetland areas may preclude certain maintenance options
for the homeowners association Typically, homeowners
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associations are not versed ►n wetlands regulations.
The four park sites within the Open Space Area possess
some limitations as proffered by the applicant Two of the
four park sites are below the 100-year floodpla►n elevation
The other two park sites do contain some higher ground,
but the applicant has shown that these higher park areas
will be used for floodpla►n mitigation purposes, actually
lowenng the ground elevation on these sites. Although the
subdivision ordinance allows recreation sites to be
dedicated within floodpla►n areas, those sites are best
suited for passive recreation The Parks and Recreation
Department recommends that active play areas be on
high, dry ground that can be well drained
PROFFER # 3 When the Property is developed, approximately 39.5 acres
of land designated as "Conservation Area" on the Concept
Plan shall be dedicated to the City of Virginia Beach for
inclusion in the West Neck Creek Linear Park.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable The dedication of this area is
consistent with the land dedications along West Neck
Creek that have occurred as part of the development of
other subdivisions to the north, west and south of this site
PROFFER # 4 When the Property is subdivided, it shall be subject to a
recorded Declaration of Protective Covenants, Conditions
and Restrictions ("Deed Restrictions") administered by a
Homeowners Association, which shall, among other
things, maintain the Open Space areas
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable It clearly defines the entity
responsible for maintenance of the open space However,
there are concerns that the condition of the open space is
not ideal and may cause maintenance problems for the
homeowners association over the long run
PROFFER # 5 All residential dwellings constructed on the Property shall
incorporate architectural features, design elements and
high quality building materials substantially similar in
quality to those depicted on the four (4) photographs
labeled "Typical Home Elevations at NIMMOS QUAY"
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dated December 12, 2002 which have been exhibited to
the Virginia Beach City Council and are on file with the
Virginia Beach Department of Planning. Any one story
dwelling shall contain no less than 2500 square feet of
enclosed living area excluding garage area and any two-
story dwelling shall contain no less than 2600 square feet
of enclosed living area excluding garage area. The front
yards of all homes shall be sodded The Deed
Restrictions shall require each dwelling to have, at a
minimum, at two (2) car garage.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable It ensures that the quality of
homes is comparable to those in surrounding
neighborhoods.
PROFFER # 6 When the Property is developed, the party of the First Part
shall construct a two lane section of Nimmo Parkway
Phase V-A CIP 2-121 in accordance with the Virginia
Department of Transportation's engineering standards for
the roadway, within the existing Nimmo parkway public
right-of-way extending east approximately 2,560 feet from
the entrance to the subdivision to connect with the existing
improved Nimmo Parkway section.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable The property does not currently
have access to an improved public right-of-way The
Nimmo Parkway Phase V-A CIP project is currently in the
design phase and the applicant will need to build the two
lanes proffered using the current VDOT plans for the CIP
project This scenano assumes that the subdivision will be
ready for occupancy pnor to the CIP project for Nimmo
Parkway Phase V-A being completed.
There is an alternate scenano that is conceivable given
that the construction completion date for Nimmo Parkway
Phase V-A and the subdivision build -out date are both
within the next five years (2008) If the completion of the
CIP project for Nimmo Parkway and occupancy of the
subdivision occur concurrently, it is not clear with this
proffer whether the applicant would share in any of the
roadway cost
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PROFFER # 7 When the Property is developed, the party of the first part
shall extend public utilities, to serve the subdivision,
including the possible construction of an off -site sewage
pump station.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer ►s acceptable It should be noted that an off -
site pump station is a major expense and that the
developer will be required to find and purchase a suitable
property for the pump station and also pay to construct the
station solely at his expense
PROFFER # 8 Further conditions may be required by the Grantee during
detailed Site plan and/or Subdivision review and
administration of applicable City codes by all cognizant city
agencies and departments to meet all applicable City code
requirements. Any references hereinabove to the R-10
Zoning District and to the requirements and regulations
applicable thereto refer to the Zoning Ordinance and
Subdivision Ordinance of the City of Virginia Beach,
Virginia, in force as of the date of approval of this
Agreement by City Council, which are by this reference
incorporated herein.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is a standard condition and is acceptable In
this particular case, this proffer may mean that the number
of lots shown on the conceptual plan may have to be
reduced in order to comply with requirements associated
with floodpla►n fill/mitigation, stormwater management and
sanitary sewer design.
City Attorney's The City Attorney's Office has reviewed the proffer
Office: agreement dated December 12, 2002, and found it to be
legally sufficient and in acceptable legal form
Evaluation of Request
The request for a rezoning from AG-1 and AG-2 Agricultural District to Conditional R-10
Residential District and a Conditional Use Permit for Open Space Promotion is
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acceptable, but with a caveat Staff notes that Comprehensive Plan identifies this area
for residential use at a density of 3.5 units to the acre or less and that applicant has
coordinated the access plan with the adjacent roadway projects and has limited the
proposed floodplain fill to the roadways and edges of the lots In sum, the applicant has
proffered a plan that minimally meets the intent of the various development ordinances
of the City It must be stressed, however, that this site is identified in the
Comprehensive Plan as a Natural Resource/Conservation Area overlay, the Plan
indicates that such areas are more -suited for a low intensity use such as a plant nursery
or wetlands bank. More than half of the site is below the 100-year floodplain elevation
of 6 25 feet and there are extensive areas of nontidal wetlands on the site The
significant land disturbance associated with a conventional single-family subdivision will
impact these areas even with the best measures employed in an attempt not to.
Staff can support this request; however, the low elevation of the overall site combined
with its natural resource characteristics, as described above, are pause for concern,
particularly regarding the subject of stormwater drainage. The applicant will, no doubt,
encounter significant issues during review of plans for stormwater drainage. It is likely
that the proffered plan may need adjustment and the number of lots may decrease in
order to provide an adequate stormwater system that not only serves this site but also
integrates well with surrounding sites.
NOTE: Further conditions may be required during the
administration of applicable City Ordinances. Plans
submitted with this rezoning application may require
revision during detailed site plan review to meet all
applicable City Codes.
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une 5, 2003
Ms. Barbara Duke
Planning Department
City of Virginia Beach
Building 2, Room 100
2405 Courthouse Drive
Virginia Beach, VA 23456
Dear Ms. Duke:
Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the rezoning
request by ALCAR LLC, for the proposed construction of 138
homes. The site is located in the. 65-70 decibel (dB) day -night
average (Ldn) noise zone. The Navy's Air Installations
Compatible Use Zones Program states that residential land use is
incompatible in this zone.
The Navy acknowledges the landowner's desire to develop
their property, but I urge you to deny their request. We would
view residential development at this site as an encroachment
upon operations at Naval Air Station Oceana. If you have any
questions, please contact my Community Planning Liaison Officer,
Mr. Ray Firenze at (757) 433-3158.
Sincerely and very respectfully,
T. KE
Ca , U Navy
Comm din Officer
Copy to:
COMNAVREG MIDLANT
Mayor Meyera Oberndorf
Virginia Beach City Council
Virginia Beach Planning Commission
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
ALCAR LLC / # 19 & 20
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DISCLOSURE STATEMENT 11
AppIicant's Name. ALCAR1_L.L.C.
List All Current
Property Owners False Cape Associates, L.P.
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below (Attach list
if necessary)
Cameron Munden, Gerald Shulman and Douglas Talbot
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
If the applicant is not the current owner of the property, complete the Applicant Disclosure
section below:
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach list
if necessary)
Man S . Resh , Member
Carmen Pasapia, Member
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
CERTIFICATION- ! certify that the information contained herein is true
and a
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Signature
Conditional Rezoning Application
Page 10 of 14
Alan S. Resh. Member
Print Name
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
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DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
Applicant's Name ALCAR, L.L.C. ------ - - -__-
List All Current
Property Owners _ False Capes Assq iares, L.P.
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below. (Attach list
if necessary)
Cameron 1qnc+en_,_ G 1_ _ huLman_and-I?gu las Talbor-_--_-_
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization
If the applicant is not the current owner of the property, complete the Applicant Disclosure
section below:
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach hst
if necessary)
Co rmc n t'a s ap i a , Member —------------------- ------------
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
CERTIFICATION- I certify that the information contained herein is true
andiccurate.
Falsf Llpe Assogia>t
Signature J
Conditional Rezoning Application
Page 10 of 14
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Print Name
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
ALCAR LLC / # 19 & 20
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DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
Applicant's Name-I_t,_C.
List All Current
Property Owners _ `one fost�ler� Trustee and Barbara C._Most iler�T�ry
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below.
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners to the organization below: (Attach list
if necessary)
©.Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
If the applicant is not the current owner of the property, complete the Applicant Disclosure
section below
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, fist all members or partners in the organization below. (Attach fist
if necessary)
Alan S _ Resh,_Member
--Carmen Pasapzs.-Member __---__-_-_____----------_.___-__._._____------
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization
CERTIFICATION. I certify that the information contained herein is trite
and accurate.
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Signature
Conditional Rezoning Application
Paae 10 of 14
Print Name
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
ALCAR LLC / # 19 & 20
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Item # 19 & 20
Alcar, L.L.C.
Change of Zoning District Classification
Conditional Use Permit
North side of Nimmo Parkway
District 7
Princess Anne
September 10, 2003
REGULAR
Robert Miller: The next item is Item #19 & 205 Alcar, L.L.C.
Eddie Bourdon: Sorry to block your views.
Ronald Ripley: We get signals from staff. I'm just kidding.
Eddie Bourdon: This one is going to be flipped over. For the record, my name is Eddie
Bourdon and it is my pleasure to come before you this afternoon representing the
application of Nimmos Quay. Mr. Resh is here as well as Joe Bushey, from Clark
Nexsen who are the engineers working on this project. Mr. Resh and I have been
working on this project now for about a year. My history with this particular property
goes back to 1997, which I'll get into in a few minutes. We've had a very positive
process that we've gone through with staff. I want to thank Barbara Duke who I
understand is sick. I think someone gave her some bad food on her birthday but she
worked very hard with us as with the rest of the staff including the folks in Traffic
Engineering This is a proposal on a 112-acre parcel of which approximately 73 acres are
developable acres. To create a very high end subdivision of 132 lots, probably a few less
than that. These houses, we proffered the type of houses that will be built. They will be
very attractive homes that will be priced between $350,000 and up. I think the quality is
very clear and very evident. The property is located south of Castleton and south of a
section of Pine Ridge and west of Hunt Club and west of the section of South Gate.
We're surrounded both on the north and on east by residential development. To our
south is the, I guess Nimmo Parkway Phase V, I believe. I may be wrong on the phase
number. And below Nimmo Parkway is the Princess Anne Woods subdivision. The
property, because of the way Castleton developed, and I guess the best place to look is up
here on the pinpoint. The property was supposed to be accessed via this roadway here
through Castleton but for reasons I won't discuss, and there are a lot of reasons, and
that's not going to happen and that can't happen and as a consequence, the property must
be accessed by Nimmo Parkway and one of the things that we've done with this
application is we've done a Traffic Impact Study, presented to the City, and this applicant
will be constructing two lanes on Nimmo Parkway to meet the standards for Nimmo
Parkway at a cost of approximately $900,000, and that will be extended from the fire
station to the property The property itself is a series of clustered lot configurations that
are for the most part surrounded by open space. We are with this proposal only utilizing
26 percent of the land for roads and houses. Of the developable land, we're using less
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than 40 percent for roads and houses. In other words, 74 percent of the site is going to
remain as open space. Over 60 percent of the developable land will be open space. And
over 100 homes will be backing up to open space. And, ladies and gentlemen, this is not
in the Transition Area. It sure as heck looks like it is a plan in the Transition Area. Now,
the reason that I put this map up here is to show you that there is a little bit of history
behind this piece of property. Back in 1997, Taylor Farm Associates had most of the
property under contract as shown over here and they brought forth a plan to develop 230
lots on this piece of property. The property that I'm talking about is the property here.
Not every bit of what I'm talking about in this application. That application was
recommended for approval by the staff consistent by the Comprehensive Plan's
recommendation of 3.5 units per acre. The rezoning was R-10 open space and it was
recommended unanimously by the Planning Commission for approval. The Courthouse
Coalition of Civic Leagues was supporting the application, as was the Pine Ridge Civic
League, which I met with on a number of occasions at that time. And, between Planning
Commission and City Council, the applicant deferred the application. He was working
with the Corps of Engineers and was developing Castleton at the time wanted to get all
this wetlands permits from the Corps of Engineers, which he in fact did receive and the
property is the subject of an approved wetlands disturbance permit from the Corps of
Engineers. But during that process some contractual issues arose and other things
occurred really having nothing to do with the prospects of the application being approved
at that time but the contracts fell through and so the deal at that point died. It never went
to City Council, but it was recommended for approval, by the staff and by the Planning
Commission unanimously for 230 lots. At that time the floodplain ordinance is not what
it is today. The floodplain ordinance that exists in the northern part of the city today
applied to all the city at that point and that development plan would have impacted about
30 percent of the floodplain on this site. That's flood fringe. We can talk about
floodplain if you all want but floodplain is not wet area. It's just area that stores a little
bit of water at a 100 year storm event, but it's not wetlands. It's not swamp. It's just
high land that's not high enough that is outside the floodplain. It gets wet when there's a
100-year storm event. Anyway, later in the year 2000, this property was assembled by
Clark Whitehill, and they brought forward an application for 255 units on this piece of
property, and that's what shown here. And what this is also to show is that all the ground
here are residential lots that surround this property, developed residential subdivisions
that surround this property. And, what you see here is the plan that was submitted in
2000. And, their timing was certainly not good. That's when we were dealing with the
flooding issue that existed in Castleton or were trumped up in Castleton and mainly they
were because of construction problems and blockage in lines but it was an issue at that
time. They had some major storm events. We also had the Lotus Creek situation going
and so floodplains were a hot button item. This 255-unit subdivision, was recommended
for approval by the Planning Commission. Staff did not recommend approval. They
thought it was too great an impact on floodplains and on wetlands and it was more
significant in terms of development than the previous application of Taylor Farm
Associates So that application was actually denied. Now we have an application where
this applicant has done everything that he was asked to do. He went in and said okay,
I'm not going to ask for a floodplain variance to impact the floodplain more than is
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permitted. There is a small amount that is permitted under our new floodplain ordinance
that only applies to this part of the city and I'm going to go and have gone to the Corps of
Engineers to modify the existing permits on this property to reduce the impact to isolated
non -tidal upland wetlands by 40 percent over what is already permitted on this property
by the Corps permit with this application. And, thus we have an application before you
for a plan that instead of looking like this plan, it looks like the one you see there, which
when you put that to everything around it, you see a few lots surrounded by a lot of green
space up against residential development all around. There are 65 lots in the adjacent
neighborhoods that abut this piece of property. Our development plan has a total of 18
lots that abut some of those lots. As a matter of fact, they abut 16 of those lots. And,
what we have done when this property was logged, and it was logged a few years ago, we
retained on the site, because knowing eventually it would be developed residentially,
believing that would be the case because that is what our Comprehensive Plan
recommends, we left a wooded buffer on the back of the property. Some of that wooded
buffer is also on the 65 lots that adjoin our piece of property. There's a 30-foot easement
between our property and that would remain. And, we intend to keep on our property
those trees that are in that buffer. Now, there may be a tree or two towards the southern
part of the property that we have to take out for drainage purposes but that's why those
trees were left. It is our intent to keep those trees on the property. I see that light blinking
and I don't know whether you all want me to. I have a lot of things to talk about on this,
but if you want to ask some questions.
Ronald Ripley: Can we handle those in questions and answers?
Eddie Bourdon: I'll try to. I'm happy to do that.
Ronald Ripley: I'm sure there are a lot of questions about this application.
Eddie Bourdon: I just don't know if you want me to do it that way or address them as I
go forward.
Ronald Ripley: Technically, I think that would be the appropriate way of handling it.
Eddie Bourdon: You all want to ask me some questions, I'm happy.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any questions of Mr. Bourdon?
Eddie Bourdon: No questions. That's good.
Ronald Ripley: No, we got questions. Mr. Miller.
Robert Miller: Obviously, I'm very familiar with this piece of land and have walked it.
Having had it timbered, it does bring some issues with regard to perhaps how that open
space is going to be handled, the part that hasn't been timbered. I don't know if that is
part of the parcel. I assume that the timbering just wasn't in these lots because it is hard
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to tell exactly where it was but in that open space area is where the timbering occurred.
How is that handled? Also the other thing that I would like to have addressed is the
extension of the road, two lanes of that road I heard how expensive it is. I also looked at
Seaboard Road and wondered if that was a point of discussion as the extension too.
Eddie Bourdon: I'll start with the last question first. It certainly was a point of
discussion, the extension of Seaboard Road. That is a project that is actually under
design and will be done by the City. The Nimmo Parkway proposal, that road is a VDOT
project. And, the Traffic Impact Study, and frankly everyone, and I don't think there is
any disagreement at all it is that the best way to access this property, is to build two lanes
of Nimmo Parkway, which is far more expensive then extending Seaboard Road. And
the time frame of this development will be two years before these lots will be sold. The
extension of this roadway made more sense than dumping the traffic on Seaboard Road to
come into this section of Princess Anne Road that currently is under some stress, which
will go away with Nimmo Parkway or be significantly alleviated with Nimmo Parkway,
which has been held up for quite some time. But is now going forward and will be going
forward in 2008, which is the date that it's intended to be open. So, putting the traffic
onto Nimmo coming out to General Booth was clearly the best way to deal with the
subdivision. But what will happen is there will be an intersection at Seaboard Road when
Seaboard Road is punched through to it, which will be happening also by the course of
the next five years. But that project is actually in the works but it will not happen
overnight. The open space areas when the property was logged those areas that were
accessible. There is obviously open space area almost 40-acres being given to the City
on West Neck Creek, part of what the Comprehensive Plan requires, asks for, not
requires in that area that is truly low area was not logged. The other area there is some
vegetation that is growing on trees but those open space areas will generally be passive
open space areas but there are parts that are designated and those parts are all on areas
that are either outside the floodplains and some are in it but again, floodplain does not
mean that it is swamp or wet. There is a problem with perception and it's even in this
write up. There's one place where it kind of talks like these are little islands of high land
around low land. Folks, everything you see around this, all these houses, all these lots,
those are houses and lots that were built in the same floodplain. Same floodplain was
mitigated, and in this case there's minimal impact at all in any floodplain. We stayed
essentially out of the floodplain except for the roadway sections that we're mitigating 100
percent. On this case, we're talking about a total of 2.1 acres of floodplain that isn't
impacted at all, and we're mitigating with 5.1 acres of mitigation and again, with
previous plans, the one Clark Whitehill had, 36 percent impact and the one that was
before that was over 30 percent impact. So, we're totally staying out of any impacts on
floodplains even though floodplains are developable land and floodplain is land that is
frankly ideal for recreation. Down at Munden Point Park most of that park is in
floodplain. Significant amount of parks, Red Wing Park, is in floodplain. There are lots
of parks in the city that have area within the floodplain. It's not the flood way. It's not
water flying through there, it's just that what you have is during a major storm event
there might be an inch or two of water that's there for a period of a few hours while they
drain. That's what a floodfringe and floodplain are. Our recreational areas will generally
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be passive with some trails but there isn't an intention to put equipment into the park sites
for people who live in the community. And, that is not a problem. It's not going to float
away when there's a 100-year storm event and you have an inch or two of water around
playground equipment. That's my answer.
Ronald Ripley: Charlie Salle'.
Charlie Salle': Eddie, I think you alluded to it and there is some comment in the staff
report about the storm water drainage for the area and the need to address it both here and
in the surrounding area. Can you tell us how you have done that?
Eddie Bourdon: We understand completely what the challenges are and that's why this
development will meet those challenges. But, frankly, there are problems that are very
long ago. Lake Placid had some problems, as did Pine Ridge because they used the
wrong flood elevation. So, you got some historical issues there. The City's done a study
many years ago that recommends that there be a BMP in this area, a large one to handle.
There isn't anything at Oceana at all. All of the water flows south but the water that
flows south sheet flows through the ditches to the south. So we got a situation here
where there have been historically some problems in both Pine Ridge and Lake Placid
because back before of what our standards are today. And those are problems that with
this Castleton development and again, the biggest problem with Castleton really was
debris in the lines, because I would suggest it was well engineered, but with Castleton
there were some problems. I believe they have been totally solved. We had a very rainy
period this summer, and they haven't experienced flooding problems in Castleton. Our
stormwater does not go in that direction number one. Number two, it will all be handled
on site and then will be released using the BMPs that are now required using today's
standards. We will actually be helping the process is our opinion. And frankly back in
1997, when this was held up when the original application for Taylor Farm Associates
was going through the process, I got a number of calls during the hold up period wanting
to know why we weren't going forward because they viewed it, the people who were in
charge of the civic league at Pine Ridge, they viewed it as being a positive. It was going
to help drainage. Clearly things that have happened since then have been done to clear
the lines, to clear the canals and the drainage has been helped and so I'm not going to
suggest that this is going to be a panacea but it is clearly going to help drainage and not
going to hurt drainage and we're using everyone My client, our engineers, City, their
engineers, Mr. Block and everyone else are well aware of the situation that exists out
there and I think everyone is working towards solving it. I think it's been solved frankly,
but we're going to be under a microscope and we know that. We are also well aware that
there may be a few less lots than this in the end, but at this point and this is not a situation
that's been approved for a "X" number of lots. I had put in the proffers originally a
maximum of 132 lots. They asked me to take "maximum" out and I said fine because I
know we're not going up, we're only going down. If we go down, and I'm not saying
that we're going to, but I think that's a possibility. We recognize that. We are fully
aware of the challenges that this site presents, but in the big picture, and I don't want this
to be overstated, the challenges are that we're not developing like everything around us
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-- on similar properties have developed in the past. We met and we believe totally
exceeded the requirements that the challenges that are presented to us. Ad in the end, you
also went up to a higher end product because of all the open space that you have behind
the lots. You don't have lots that back up to each other.
Ronald Ripley: Mr. Bourdon, you're not asking for any variance to create any more
buildable land.
Eddie Bourdon: That's correct.
Ronald Ripley: You're staying on the high land that exists that's receiving water now
running into the floodplain and of course you have retention that's controlling some of
that. Is that correct?
Eddie Bourdon: That's absolute. Our BMP's are on high land. You can't put a BMP in
the floodplains. So all of our storm water retention is on high land. None of our homes
are built on anything but high land. There is a total of about 10,000 square feet of area of
floodplain on this entire project that will be filled a few inches on the corners of some
lots. That is it. No houses are built anywhere in the floodplain. And, the City's
floodplain ordinance in this part of the city allows up to five percent impact and we're
about half of that, and of that, it's almost off of roads in the subdivision. I'll also tell you
on Nimmo Parkway, the amount of floodplain impact there is more than 10 times the
floodplain impact that we have and ours is minimal.
Ronald Ripley: The number that you used for improving Nimmo, is that also include the
pump station?
Eddie Bourdon: No. That's the cost of the road.
Ronald Ripley: So you have a road and a pump station?
Eddie Bourdon: The pump station will likely be on site too. We put it in the proffers
again just because we just wanted. Staff said they want to be aware. It might be offsite.
We're confident that it will be onsite, but that's in addition to the pump station.
Ronald Ripley: Will that relieve any sewage issues in the area or is it just for this
property and future properties?
Eddie Bourdon: I'm not aware of any sewage problem or any capacity problems. I think
it's just a service this property. There really isn't anything else out there that's
developable.
Ronald Ripley- Yes. Barry Knight
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Barry Knight: I have a couple of observations. You talk about the 100-year floodplain.
That 100-year floodplain could happen back to back, but the average occurrence of this
happening is going to be once every 100 years. The floodplain elevation in that area is
6.3 feet. So, if you have 6.2 feet you're in the floodplain inches. If you have 6.4 inches,
a difference of 2 inches, you're out of it. So, I understand from where I live, and farming
all of our land down here is a whole lower than this but it is a floodplain but a floodplain
is not wet area. It's area that could wet in this 100-year storm event. I kind of want to
help you clarify that. And on the number of houses, you have 132 homes. You're asking
for a permit for 132 homes, but it's possible that when you go in for site review and
stormwater management, you could possibly end up with less than 132 homes. Would
you think that 132 homes isn't set in stone. That it could possibly be less than that,
because of those, but maybe is there any thought you may consolidate some of these lots?
Eddie Bourdon: That's a possibility. As this process goes forward, and because of the
microscope that this site is under because of the issues we talked about, we recognize that
there may be both to make sure that we more than adequately deal with these stormwater
issues and again, that's correcting other problems. We have considered that there may be
some consolidation of some of the lots. So, there's no question in our mind that 132
represents the maximum, and the likelihood is that it will be somewhat less than that
before it's over with. And, your point about the floodplain is 6.25 feet but it's absolutely
correct. So, all we're talking about is a couple of inches of storage capacity. Not swamp
land. There are some isolated non -tidal wetlands, that are already permitted to be
impacted and were reducing that by 40 percent over that which is already permitted to be
impacted.
Ronald Ripley: Well, the biggest issue that I heard in the first application that came
through here, and the biggest concern that I think that everybody had was the drainage
that was coming out of Castleton and the adjoining neighborhoods. And, we're going to
hear from some folks out there and I'm sure that they'll testify some way or the other
about what has happened here. It is my understanding that's been greatly improved with
some retention and the system being cleaned out and some of the things you've said.
That's a real important point because it was a real big point then, if I recall, and it may
still be a big point. I'm not crossing over this. But we do have some other people to
speak.
Eddie Bourdon: In conclusion, half the density essentially of what the Comprehensive
Plan recommends for this area. Thank you very much for your time.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you. Mr. Miller.
Robert Miller: Other speakers that have signed up. Irene Duffy.
Irene Duffy- Good afternoon I'm going to pass around two pictures to look at while I
speak. Just to clarify this is the area in question.
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Ronald Ripley: Ms. Duffy?
Irene Duffy: What?
Ronald Ripley: You need to speak at the podium.
Irene Duffy: Oh, sorry. This is the area in question right here. This would be where a
part of Nimmo Quay would be to the south of Buckingham and Castleton. And this is
one of our retention ponds; our only retention pond in Buckingham. There are others in
Castleton. This is Buckingham.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you.
Irene Duffy: As I said, my name is Irene Duffy, and I'm on the Board of Directors for
Buckingham of Castleton and President of Castleton. I'm here representing Buckingham
today, which is a village adjacent to the proposed Nimmo Quay. Thank you for this
opportunity to speak this afternoon. The Village of Buckingham is opposed to the
development of this kind on the attractive land in question for the same reason you've
opposed to it approximately two half years ago. At that time, City Council heard and
understood our concerns regarding drainage and flooding, and turned down the requested
proposal. In addition, in a former case, the Planning Staff s recommendation to the
Commission was to deny the request. We find ourselves in the same position today. Last
month, when this application for rezoning was deferred, the Planning staffs
recommendation was for the request to be denied. We wholeheartedly agree with that
decision for the following reasons. The neighborhood we live in borders West Neck
Creek and that is our storm drainage outlet. The proposed development, Nimmo Quay,
will be directing their storm drainage water into the same creek. We are a very wet
neighborhood. In fact, city engineers, to their credit, are still trying to workout the kinks
for the dry BMP that was proposed and dug to alleviate drainage problems that had been
overlooked by the developer. The BMP was created this past winter. The attention was
to have a dry BMP that filled up only during large events such as tropical storms or
hurricanes or otherwise. It was to be maintained by the City in the fashion of a meadow
were fescue would grow, and it would be mowed and maintained by the City. Since its
creation, it has not been mowed once for good reason. If a lawn mower were to go in
there it would never come out. It would sink into three feet of water that currently stands
where the tall wetland weeds have established themselves. It is turning into a wetland.
One might argue, well this has been a really wet year and this will never happen again.
To this person I would say we had a real wet year not more than two to three years ago
and that's 50 percent of the time that I have lived here. If we were to have a serious
storm or hurricane now, as it stands, we would have some serious flooding problems.
One might argue well, this developer is different. They would do it differently. They
really know how to mitigate their rainwater. They won't make any mistakes because
they have smarter engineers. To this person, I would say all the prior engineers were
reputable and confident. None of them started out saying we really aren't able to do this
but let's do it anyway, knowing that things would go wrong. Otherwise, they would have
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_ designed the drainage differently or not built here at all. It is foolhardy to ignore what
other professionals have experienced. All that we are asking is that the Commission pay
very close attention to where they are proposing to build and how much fill would be
brought in and where they intend the water to go. The property can be built on can be
encompassed as wetlands and floodplain. There is a huge amount of standing water on
that land. There is not two to three inches, and I invite you to go back there and look.
There are two to three feet of standing water at any given time back there in that area
where they want to build. If the water was redirected or displaced it might flood an
already existing, saturated community. Can we be certain that more development directly
abutting and adjacent to our home will not increase our propensity to flood during a
minor or major rainfall. I would like to read a quote that I found on the website
belonging to the Virginia Beach Planning Department under the heading of Flood
Control. "Wetlands provide flood control by acting as a giant sponge absorbing and
holding water during storms. Fast moving water is slowed by vegetation and temporarily
stored in wetlands. The gradual release of water released creates erosion potential and
possible property damage. When wetlands are filled, areas designed by nature to control
floodwaters from Nor'easter extreme high tides, etc, are lost." We believe it is the City's
responsibility to put the safety and welfare of its citizens above the interest of private
enterprises seeking personal profit and gain. We are asking that the Commission give
strong consideration to the recommendation given by the City's Planning staff last
month, which brings me to a question that I need to ask. What change was made in the
application request that would warrant the change in the staff s recommendation? Since
the deferral last month, there has been a change in the recommendation made by the
Planning staff; so, I'm wondering if the development plans were redesigned or adjusted
to avoid disturbance in this environmentally sensitive area. This land is marginal at best
and building here not only threatens existing homes but is irresponsible business practice
regarding the new home owners of Nimmo Quay. And to Mr. Bourdon, I would say,
please tell my sump pump under the house that the water in the cinder block voids are
trumped up drainage problems. I thank you very much.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you very much. Are there any questions of Ms. Duffy?
William Din: I got a question.
Ronald Ripley: Yes.
William Din: The two pictures that you passed around shows a dry BMP. Obviously a
dry BMP is only dry in dry weather but is intended to collect water.
Irene Duffy: Well, the dry BMP intention was to be wet during large events. It was not
supposed to be a retention pond and it was not supposed to be a retention lake. We have
one of those already.
William Din: What is your intention, and I don't understand why you're showing us a
picture of a dry BMP with water in it when it is supposed to collect water.
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Irene Duffy: Well, its supposed to be dry most of the time I would assume, if it's a dry
BMP, but it has not been dry since it was done. My point is that the purpose of the dry
BMP was to retain water that was supposed to go in to the permanent retention pond. It
was supposed to be an over fill and it was supposed to happen only during large events
such as hurricanes. My point was that it is wet all the time. We have not had a hurricane
as of yet, and it already has wetland plants growing in it and it has not been maintained
by the city, because we can't grow grass. It doesn't survive because it's too wet. What
I'm saying is that if a hurricane was to happen now, or we were to have a large storm, it
would flood because that is the last action for us, that dry BMP.
William Din: And the retention pond is suppose to have water in it? Right?
Irene Duffy: Exactly.
William Din: And you're showing us that it does have water in it?
Irene Duffy: I'm showing you that it is full and that it is at the top of the drainpipe and
that is how it sits most of the time because West Neck Creek is where the outfall is for
our retention pond so when it doesn't flow it ends up backing up.
William Din: Are you having flooding in your area on the streets?
Irene Duffy: No. It's much better now. It's much better now, than it was in the
beginning. We had a lot of flooding due to, as was mentioned, the BMP system and we
haven't had a large event either so I think we're maxed out.
William Din: We've had some rain events here but during the rainy events what kind of
flooding do you encounter there?
Irene Duffy: We don't have flooding in the streets anymore. Not since they've fixed the
drainage. We do have water in our yards and in my crawl space. I use a sump pump to
get the water out of the cinder block voids that are there periodically.
William Din: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you very much.
Robert Miller: JoAnn Massey.
JoAnn Massey: Good afternoon. I am here to present a petition from the Chartwell of
Castleton and Buckingham of Castleton homeowners in opposition of the rezoning. We
oppose this rezoning based on our neighborhoods flooding problems and remedies by the
City of Virginia Beach that Ms. Duffy spoke to about earlier Castleton as a whole has
always been indated with drainage and flooding issues We do not think it would be
prudent for the Commission to approve this rezoning and ultimate subdivision
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development of the above referenced property on Items #19 & 20. The flooding and
drainage issues of Castleton, we feel would escalate as a new development in that
location would permit considerably more drainage into our already overburdened and
troublesome dry BMP and drainage system. I do have additional photos of the dry BMP,
which has never been dry ever. It's right behind my house. I've got pictures from the
very beginning up until a couple of weeks ago. It has never been dry. Here's the
petition.
Ronald Ripley: Is that a copy of the petition?
JoAnn Massey: It is original signatures.
Ronald Ripley: Do you have a copy of that?
JoAnn Massey: No, I don't.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. You may want to get a copy from staff later if you would like to
have a copy.
JoAnn Massey: Okay. Yes, I would. Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any questions of Ms. Massey? Thank you very much. Will,
has a question. I'm sorry.
William Din: It's the same question and you're quoting that there's flooding problems
and draining problems in your neighborhood.
JoAnn Massey: Drainage problems now. Flooding problems before. The drainage
problems being that the BMP and the retention pond flowing into the West Neck Creek
which this subdivision would be draining its into West Neck Creek. West Neck Creek
backs up, the retention ponds back up, the dry BMP backs up and the dry BMP has never
been dry.
William Din: Has the dry BMP every overflowed into the neighborhood?
JoAnn Massey: The pipe is a very large drainage pipe. It's gotten to be this close to the
top of the pipe. My house is right on the edge of that pipe and the water comes right up
to my backyard. And, no it has never flooded my backyard but if we were to ever have a
hurricane it may
Ronald Ripley: Thank you very much.
JoAnn Massey: Thank you.
Robert Miller: Christine Capozzohi. Forgive me if I mispronounced your last name.
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Christine Capozzohi: Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. I'm Christine Capozzohi. 1
live at 2408 Windy Pines Bend. My husband and I bought our house and property in
October 1987. Next month, it will be 16 years. We love the neighborhood. The first
thing that we noticed as we pulled into the entrance, this is a beautiful bird sanctuary.
We have signs there. We love being close enough to the ocean and yet still living in the
country with all the birds abutting our backyard. We used to have deer come up. In the
backyard, we throw out crumbs and whatever and other animals come up. We had no
problem. This was just absolutely beautiful. Now that I have brain surgery in 1997, I'm
a shut-in. I have vision problems. I have no peripheral vision whatsoever. I can't drive.
The only thing that I have daily is to look at the backyard or maybe once in a while be
able to cross the street if there's no traffic coming to walk one of my three dogs. When
this proposal first came out two years ago, you were talking about them building houses
in the woods. But before that we had drainage problems. I'm guessing about five years
ago the City came in to help with the drainage problems. There is about a 10 foot buffer
in the back of the property, which comes from the end of Windy Pines Bend to the other.
I guess I'm talking about maybe 15-18 houses and a brand new drainage system, which
helped us so much. I thank Castleton. First of all, while they were building Castleton
and they carve in and they logged all the woods behind us. They left us a few little
skinny trees.
Ronald Ripley: Ms. Capozzohi, you're starting to run out of time.
Christine Capozzohi: I'm sorry. I just want to say that my property is not of any use to
me if they're going to go in there and build and put more houses in. If this is passed by
this board'. I would like the owner of that property, or the builder to come and buy my
property from me and they can do whatever they want with that as long as I get a good
decent price for my house. I thank you all very much.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you all very much.
Robert Miller: Angela Snyder.
Angela Snyder: Hello. My name is Angela Snyder. I am a resident of Pine Ridge. This
application was deferred from the August 131h agenda, and I have the same question that
the first lady had and that I understand that from this morning staff s meeting that the
Commission now supports this application. But, what has changed since the
recommendation was for denial at the August 13th agenda? I am an adjacent property
owner and I would like to show you where my house is because it does effect this
development. We are right about here and the back of our house will be right behind the
new development. We have terrible flooding problems. Our backyard looks like a lake
just when it rains We're not talking about a significant event, just normal rainfall. So, I
can imagine that the new houses will have that problem as well. The Comprehensive
Plan does identify this area as a Conservation Area. It does contain tidal and non -tidal
wetlands. There will be no buffered trees for noise reduction and wildlife retention.
There will be a definite negative impact on schools and roads. It was noted in the
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recommendation of the staff, that Kellam High is currently over capacity by 286 students
and that does not take into account other developments that have already been approved
and are under construction. That's a real concern. The wetlands will be negatively
affected. I heard the lady mention what I was going to quote from your website, but I
believe she has already done that about the wetlands being a sponge. I just wanted to
stress about the flooding being an issue. The stormwater drainage is very poor. The US
Navy also opposed this request. They feel that it's an encroachment on their operations.
I have letters of opposition I think have been filed. We do have a petition, which has
already been submitted to you. There are 62 names on that. I do have a question of Mr.
Bourdon, and I'll be able to ask that?
Ronald Ripley: You can state it and we can ask him.
Angela Snyder- The question is I heard him say and point to this map which I could not
see from my location but there was going to be a row of buffered trees that I wondered
where that was going to be? We ask that you deny this request.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Thank you.
Angela Snyder. Thank you.
Robert Miller: John Snyder.
John Snyder: Hello. My name is John Snyder: I've lived on Windy Pines Bend for
probably since December. Just moved there. Right there would be my house. According
to your plans, these new lots would abut to my back property line. Behind my property
line there is a drainage system that the City had installed and I'm not sure when because I
just moved there. I have a constant problem with water running off the back of these
lands onto my yard because my water is trying to go towards that property to go away
from my house and my house is flooded. The way I see it with these property lines
connecting or abutting to each other as they are in this drawing, if they properly grade the
yards of these new homes, the backyard of that house is going to be flowing right towards
the back of mine and therefore, I'm going to have more problems. All that I wanted to
say about this drain that is back there is the drain sits so far high out of the ground
because the ground is so low that when the water does gather around towards the drain, it
doesn't get high enough to go into the drain. I've had several people come out from the
City, from Public Works, and they tell me they can't access it. So, how are they going to
access this when they have these property lines connecting to mine and not only is that
drain back there that should be absorbing some of the water and I've been trying for
months to try to get my water to go towards these drains so it would be out of my yard
and away from my house and it just doesn't do it. It just stands there and goes nowhere.
Also behind my fence line is the electrical box and everything else, and I just don't know
how with these property lines like this, if anything happens, how are they going to access
any of these public utilities. Those are a few of my concerns. Like I said, I'm just a new
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-- homeowner trying to keep my yard dry and at least get it running off my property and its
just running right back to my property from where it is now.
Ronald Ripley: Mr. Snyder, is there a ditch behind your property or is it a drainage pipe
that has a drop in?
John Snyder: A very large City drain with very big grates in it. I mean a small animal
can go through there. I've told my son not to mess around and get Ins foot caught in it or
something.
Ronald Ripley: Is it a grading issue you think to get the water to the pipe?
John Snyder: Yes. See, that is what I told the people who came out. If you all would
grade the land around there a little better, maybe it would flow into that drain. Also in
my backyard we have mature trees, very large mature trees. Earlier concept plans in past
years from looking through papers, City work, they left a nice buffer with those mature
trees between the neighborhoods and with the property lines connecting like that and the
utilities there and everything, I don't know how they're going to do that. It kind of
doesn't make any sense to me why they would want to connect the property lines. I
would think you would leave it zoned between there so you could access the public
utilities. I don't know whether they are planning on moving these public utilities.
Ronald Ripley: Typically, what you'll find is that there will be a City easement. You
have a City easement across the back of your property for which the City should be
maintaining that swale. It's their easement. This development will also have to dedicate
their City easements for the same reason. We'll have Mr. Bourdon address this.
John Snyder: I was just concerned on how they were going to access public utilities that
are behind my house and that's going to go between these two. I would also like to say
that we moved in there, my fourteen year old son was really looking forward to running
around through the woods back there and being a boy. He hadn't been able to go back
there. It's too muddy. He'll sink up to his knees. They ask me if I would allow them to
access that area through my yard. I said bring a tow truck because any heavy equipment
your taking through my yard is going to sink. My yard hasn't been dry since I've been
there. I have trouble just trying to mow the grass. Those are a few of my concerns.
Thank you very much for hearing them.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you for coming up.
Robert Miller: Jack Reich.
Jack Reich: How you doing? My name is Jack Reich. I live at Hunt Club Forest. My
property borders the proposed thing. When we get a rain and not even a heavy rain,
water comes up four feet. I had that creek and I guess it connects to West Neck Creek at
the edge of my backyard It comes up four feet up from that creek into my yard. I have
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an embankment. It comes up that embankment four feet. With just the rains that we've
had, I mean we haven't had, God forbid we have. It's a lot worse now since they
knocked all those trees down back there. I mean in the past, when I guess water would be
held in the woods back there. I didn't have that much of a problem other than in a
hurricane, of course you would expect it to come up. Now, with just heavy rains like
we've had. I mean I'm not exaggerating and we're talking four feet up on my property,
up the embankment. I cannot get flood insurance because the corner of my property is in
a flood zone. I won't have a house left. I have an above ground pool in my backyard. If
that water comes up any higher, it will end up taking my pool out. -I mean this is just
absolutely nuts. And, they're going to drain into West Neck. It can't handle what's there
now. I just can't understand any of this and I don't want to see my property destroyed. I
probably lost, and anybody can come out and look, I probably lost two feet of my
property in the last two years at the edge. The City doesn't maintain anything. I
maintain it. I do my best to keep it up. I keep the grass cut. I keep everything back there.
Clean up the garbage that flows from other people's houses down. Thank you
Ronald Ripley: Mr. Miller, has a question.
Robert Miller: When you bought the house. When do you buy your house?
Jack Reich- 1987.
Robert Miller: Wasn't there a drainage easement on your property then and that canal
was there at that time?
Jack Reich. Yes sir.
Robert Miller: Okay. Since you've live there, you're telling me that Public Works have
never been out there to maintain that canal?
Jack Reich. No.
Robert Miller: That's something we definitely have to have our staff investigate.
Jack Reich: I take care of it.
Robert Miller- No.
Jack Reich- I have never called up and complained.
Robert Miller: I believe what you're saying, and I think that could be part of the issue if
your having water rise four feet, perhaps it's blocked up somewhere and it's not properly
draining and it's something that Public Works can get out there and do something about
it.
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Jack Reich: Just since they've cleared those trees.
Robert Miller: I hear you. Thank you.
Jack Reich: You're welcome.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you very much.
Jack Reich: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Do we have anybody else?
Robert Miller: Jeff Trenton.
Jeff Trenton: I've got a couple of points. The first one is goes to the credibility of the
proposal. We've talked about this buffer area. On page 11, the Planning staff says, "it
should be noted that one particular valuable aesthetic natural resource is being eliminated
with the current proposal is the existing 40 to 50 foot wooded buffer along the northern
boundary of the site adjacent to the neighborhoods of Castleton and Pine Ridge." It kind
of contradicts what Mr. Bourdon says. I would assume the Planning Commission is
objective on this because it goes to the credibility of the proposal. The major issue I'd
like to address is has everybody seen the newspaper today? You see the newspaper
today, massive headlines "Super Hornets Coming to Virginia Beach." We got the
squadrons. Massive headline is going to be a lot louder. Headline basically today is
"Super Hornets coming to the Beach." It's big, the biggest story in this town for quite a
while. Let me suggest what tomorrow's headline can be if you make a mistake on this.
"City Council Approves Additional Residential Development Despite Navy Objections."
Navy says new development will encroach on air operations. That's your headline. I've
heard that sort of debate when I was on the Castleton Oceana Liaison Committee. The
Navy would always marvel that the city would continue to build even when the Navy was
saying that there are serious noise level issues and other issues concerning flight
operations. And they would marvel that the city could continue to do that. Now
especially today when they say we're going to get the Super Hornets. When they say
they're going to be much louder. When they say they're going to have training
operations with new aircraft, to have additional building to approve the next day,
additional residential construction when the Navy tells you that you shouldn't be doing it,
you're going against what the Navy says, and were saying that we're a Navy town and
were patriotic. However, we're going to go for the buck and do the building. That is
what it seems to me. I guess that is all that I'm going to say.
Robert Miller: Where do you live Jeff?
Jeff Trenton: I live right there in Castleton.
Robert Miller. Can you point to A9 There's a pointer right there on the table.
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Ronald Ripley: The little black thing.
Jeff Trenton: I'm right here.
Robert Miller: Okay. How's your quality of life there?
Jeff Trenton: It's nice to have the woods behind.
Robert Miller: A nice neighborhood?
Jeff Trenton: It's a nice neighborhood. The noise is an issue.
Robert Miller: Really.
Jeff Trenton: Especially the question of when the Super Hornets being louder. Because
we know Navy guys who fly and say yeah, the Super Hornets are going to be a lot louder.
Robert Miller: Every time you see one of those Navy guys making all that noise, why
don't you thank him for the freedoms you have. Thank you.
Jeff Trenton: The Navy is the one who's saying your encroaching on their operations.
Not me.
Robert Miller: Thank you.
Jeff Trenton: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Is there anybody else?
Robert Miller: No sir.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Mr. Bourdon.
Eddie Bourdon: Where do I begin. I think you already picked up on the fact that the
BMP that is holding water is a BMP that is working given the fact that we had a record
summer for rainfall and the first young lady who spoke on it, I'll be happy and be candid
and say that the flooding problems are corrected. They're not flooding. Frankly,
depending upon the size of a hurricane, if we have a hurricane, there are a lot of places in
the City of Virginia Beach, a whole lot of places that are going to have flooding on a
temporary basis and for the flat area coastal plain that we live in, that's an inevitability.
There's nothing anybody can do about that if we have a hurricane You can't design a
storm drainage system for a city based on a hurricane event. And, we haven't nor have
any other coastal cities that I'm aware of but we certainly in this case, being that we are
downstream of Castleton, we're not going to be putting water upstream. What we also
will be doing is as you all know, and as we've talked about, is our BMPs all have to be in
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= upland areas. They have to be designed and engineered so that we are in not any way
shape, or form increasing the rate of flow into that drainage system in a storm event.
And, again, Castleton is the latest development that had experienced some problems.
They developed, and a significant amount of their lots are in the floodplain. None of
these lots are in the floodplain. The other development, Pine Ridge specifically and Lake
Placid up the upstream, they have houses, many, many of them which were built in the
floodplain but the flood elevation used to calculate their height was too low, which is the
issue with the runoff. All of this is being addressed and has been addressed and we will
be addressing it so that we will not be adding in anyway to anybody's water problem and
that's what this plan represents, because it is such a minimal amount of development with
all of the sponge left unimpacted. With regard to Ms. Snyder, she brought up a number
of different things. The buffer behind here, first off all, behind their houses there is a 30-
foot easement between our lots and their lots that would be maintained. We also
maintain wooded area along the entirety property line with the neighboring properties and
of that entirety, there are 65 lots that adjoin us, this is one section.
Ronald Ripley: Mr. Bourdon, you're over your time. But you're answering our
questions.
Eddie Bourdon: I knew you were going to ask that question.
Ronald Ripley: So consider your questions and answers.
Eddie Bourdon: Okay. I'll consider mine questions and answers. We got this section
here where there is a wooded buffer because it's the wooded buffer that we maintain.
There are trees on the back of these lots. If you notice, these lots are larger lots than
those in the neighborhood. There are a number of trees on these lots. There are trees on
our property all the way around. Most of our boundary with the neighboring
subdivisions, all of these lots go directly to our property line. We have left a wooded
buffer and that buffer will remain. What the staff was commenting about is that in the
255 lot plan, our lots were not to the property line but we're still going to maintain on the
back of these lots. Not 50 feet although in the case of these seven lots here to the east,
there's already 30 foot buffer that will remain and that is an underground drainage
easement and we will be able to add another 15 to 20 feet to that. So basically, about a
40 to 50 foot buffer that will occur here. This area here the buffer will be less but these
lots that we adjoin here. We have 10 lots that adjoin a total of eight above us. We'll be
probably able to leave about 20 to 30 feet of trees on our property in addition to roughly
the same amount of trees that exist on the back of those lots Elsewhere, there is no
impact at all in terms that trees remain adjacent to the rest of the properties.
Ronald Ripley: While you're on that subject Mr Scott, it wouldn't be appropriate for this
applicant to size the drainage pipe along those adjacent property lines to service water
coming off of Castleton for example but it would be appropriate for the city, when
they're in there doing the development to get their grades right if the grades have gotten
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filled in or what not so that we get two drainage systems that are getting the water out of
there. Would that be appropriate to say?
Robert Scott: Really, you have to leave that up to the design engineer and what concept
they're going to use to drain it. It wouldn't be inappropriate to do.
Ronald Ripley: Would it be inappropriate to oversize it to take other water?
Robert Scott: It's not a question so much of oversizing as it is of grades. The problem is
the land is very low and very flat. The grading issues are most of the problems I believe.
I certainly don't want to rule anything out like that, but at some point, someone is going
to have to figure out how to drain this land and their concept might possibly include that.
Ronald Ripley: Okay.
Eddie Bourdon: You'll also notice and it's obvious to everyone, and I'm going to show
you, that there are lots all along here, lots all along here that come to our property line
and had our property line were a floodplain, what does that tell you? These lots were all
built in the floodplain. And, that's a reality. The houses of a lot of these people that
adjoin us were in the floodplain and that's not happening on our property. We're not
doing anything as far as building houses in the floodplain that exists around us. That's
the key to this whole situation is that we're not going to be creating any problems for
anybody else and our stormwater off of our impervious surfaces go into BMPs that we're
creating on our property to hold that water on our high land not in the floodplain. So
we're not affecting the flood storage capacity or the rate of flow in any way in the
floodplain.
Eugene Crabtree: I think you just answered my question. Your three stormwater
management facilities should actually improve the wetlands that is now draining to
people's property by holding it on your own property. What they say is running form the
woods now and having problems with that when you put these in that should correct
some of their problems because then it will not run there but will be held in your
stormwater management.
Eddie Bourdon: We fully believe and understand and appreciate the fact and it is a
reality given the history of these other developments that we are going to be looked upon
to not only make sure that we have no impact but to probably help to alleviate some of
the existing impacts and we are well aware of that and prepared to address that challenge.
Eugene Crabtree: That's what I was asking.
Ronald Ripley: Jan Anderson.
Janice Anderson: On the wooded buffer that you said you would leave there, that is a
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drainage easement also, is there any problem with keeping it wooded? You said that you
might have to take a tree or two but it's not going to be clearer
Eddie Bourdon: Those mature trees are the ones the owner left and didn't log when the
rest of the property was logged because they provide that buffer. The answer is I don't
believe, we hope there aren't any trees that have to be taken out. It is our desire to leave
that buffer, but maybe some that do, but they will be the ones farthest away from the
shared property line. They won't be on the shared property line. Again, unless for some
reason that we're not aware of dealing with the existing drainage improvements or the
City drainage improvements that would have to necessitate some removal. We're not
anticipating that will be the case.
Janice Anderson: Is there anywhere the proffers that you can make just say maintain the
wooded buffer. It wouldn't be specific.
Eddie Bourdon: We could between now and City Council we could put on the plans a
note about the wooded buffer that exists. That can certainly be done. In terms of the
proffers themselves, I'm not sure from what other developments such as wording that
anyone is really going to be comfortable with. Barbara is not here. Barbara Duke and I
have had discussion a lot lately. I think that she and I'll just quote her for the staff, I
think they're more comfortable with some type of a note on the plan itself as opposed to
trying to come up with words in a proffer to deal with that. I think that is an issue that we
could address by putting a note in to the proffer that trees in this area are to remain.
Janice Anderson: The wording in your proffers.
Eddie Bourdon: You're referring to the plan.
Janice Anderson: To the plan.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any other questions? Charlie Salle' and then Gene.
Eugene Crabtree: Mr. Bourdon, in reference to the gentleman that was complaining
about the aircraft, if I understand the position of this property, this property is not in the
actual major flight plan of take off or landing and the crash zone is just the noise zone.
So from a safety standpoint of view we don't have it in direct line of any of the major
runways and therefore the noise level is the only question? Am I correct?
Eddie Bourdon: That is correct.
Ronald Ripley: Charlie.
Eddie Bourdon: We left plenty of room for a jet to crash with all the open space on 74
percent of the property. I hope none ever do
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._ Eugene Crabtree: I just want to make sure that you're not in that direct crash zone.
Eddie Bourdon: No, were not even near a crash zone. We surrounded by residential
development at three half units per acre.
Eugene Crabtree: Just clarifying it that's all.
Charlie Salle': My experience with crash zones is when an airplane flies over your head
you're in a crash zone.
Eddie Bourdon: With all this conservation area we're setting aside, there is plenty of
room and God forbid if one every came down. We hope they wouldn't come down in
any of the neighborhoods that surround us but it doesn't exist.
Charlie Salle': I had a couple of questions and Jan explored part of that on the buffer
zone, I noticed that the wooded buffed areas is across the actual platted lots and I guess to
what extent is the subject lot owner bound to keep that area wooded?
Eddie Bourdon: There certainly is an ability to put in an easement on the property. It
could be a Homeowners Association that's going to own not only all the open space and
the vast majority of our property that abuts to 65 lots in a neighborhood would belong to
the association and so there is the ability to put an easement to allow the association to
enforce not only on their own property but on the back of the 18 lots that we have that
adjoin other lots.
Charlie Salle' • That might be one of the responsibilities.
Eddie Bourdon: I would agree Mr. Salle', and I don't think you would have any problem
with putting in a condition. The issue simply would be the depth of the easement on any
of the lots.
Charlie Salle'. And the other question deals with drainage. This project is downstream
from the areas that we had people had concerns about it. Is the system of drainage
connecting the existing drainage that's will be flowing down to your project?
Eddie Bourdon: There are some drainage ways that come through and it's natural
drainage that clearly comes through here. That's what all the floodplain in these areas
that we preserved that is directly adjacent to their lots that were created in the floodplain.
That's why it is important and critical and that's why we had stayed out of those areas
with our development, so that we're not impacting the natural drainage ways with regard
to the manmade drainage ways. Yes, they do also traverse our property, and we will be
enhancing those to some degree. Primarily, we're going to make sure that we have no
negative impact on those in terms of adding in any way to flow in those drainage ways in
a storm event. We're also providing a BMP for Nimmo Parkway on some of our high
land, right out here at the entrance. Right here were adding a BMP that will be used for
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Nimmo Parkway again, so there isn't any impact on the drain when that road is built. We
do have drainage that comes across the property. There's natural drainage that comes
across the property that we are not going to impact.
Ronald Ripley: Kathy and then Joe.
Kathy Katsias: Mr. Bourdon, are you and the developer is willing to reduce the amount
of lots depending on the storm water drainage system. Is there a number that would
make this economically not feasible by the production?
Eddie Bourdon: That whole issue Ms. Katsias is going to be dealt as we go through the
engineering, which is in this case and that really is the answer. I believe. I don't want to
speak for staff, but I think the staffs comfort level with this proposal was enhanced by
face to face meetings with our engineers and our clients, and we understand and have
bent over backwards already and will continue to do the same to make sure that there is
no impact on drainage on the property surrounding us. We walked into this knowing that
the problems that have existed and to some degrees still exist, although I think they have
been in a large part been solved, not totally, and we recognize that we may lose some lots
in that process. But, that's an expensive process. All that detailed engineering on
individual and grades and what have you, it's going to be a process that we're
recognizing is going to take some time. And, I said before, we don't expect any of these
houses on these lots to be on line or for sale for two years because we know that process
isn't going to be a quick one. As far as a number, no, there is no way we can sit here and
say it will be 120 versus a 132 and we're not in a position to know that at this point.
Ronald Ripley: Joe, did you have a question?
Joseph Strange: Yeah. Some of the opposition, they expressed concern that even though
your saying that these BMPs are going to be on high property that maybe this isn't going
to really work. Who do they go to and get assurances that your plan will work so they
could feel comfortable and not feel like when they walk out of here that this gets passed
that they're going to be protected.
Eddie Bourdon: I think they can walk out of here and walk out of the Council meeting,
because they will be hearing the same thing there, knowing that every engineer and
Public Works of the City is well aware, and they've been aware for a number of years
about the issues that have been brought forth and that these plans are going to be
checked, doubled checked, tripled check to make sure that they will in fact they will do
what in fact what we said they will do. They will not be adding to their burdens, so to
speak, that exist. And, the City has studied this area extensively. We're looking at
property that we are only developing on, essentially on the high land, and that's one
assurance that I would take out of here. Number two, the fact that everyone is going to
be scrutinizing it very carefully to make sure that we alleviate the problem. The
problems that have existed, have existed in large measure because of previous errors that
aren't going to be repeated again in terms of using incorrect information, in terms of what
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the floodplain was back in the 60's with Lake Placid. Our knowledge is so much greater
now then it was in the 1960s.
Joseph Strange: If you look under Public Facilities and Services it says, "city water is not
available to this development. Plans and bonds are required for the construction of a new
pump station off -site of the sewer system." And then if you look at Proffer #7, "when the
property is developed, the party of the first part shall extend public utilities, to service the
subdivision, including the possible construction of an off -site sewage pump station."
How do these two relate to each other? I don't quite understand it myself.
Eddie Bourdon: I believe they say the same thing. There is City water, and City water
will be extended to the site at our cost. City sewer same thing, will be extended to our
site at our cost. The only question there is whether the pump station will be on this site or
off —site, and we are now confident that it will be on site. Like I said, it will be at our
cost. There is no cost to the taxpayer at all. City water and City sewer have to be
extended at the developer's cost to the property and they're available to the property.
Joseph Strange: So what plans and bonds are required for the construction of the new
pump station? Does the City have to do that?
Eddie Bourdon: Yeah. When this gets to subdivision approval. It just lets somebody
know, if they're a developer and they're naive, that they're going to have bond what
they're going to have put that in.
Joseph Strange: So the City doesn't have anything to do with that.
Eddie Bourdon: No sir.
Joseph Strange: I didn't quite understand myself.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Are there any other questions? Mr. Bourdon, thank you very
much.
Eddie Bourdon: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Let's open this up for discussion. Mr. Miller.
Robert Miller: Well, since everybody else is a drainage engineer, I guess I can be one. A
couple of things that were said today that need to be clanfied. Number one is that West
Neck Creek is a creek that drains a large part of our city, but it is also connected to both,
ironically, the Chesapeake Bay and to Back Bay and it is effective in both directions. It's
very unique in that sense. It's a great waterway. It's a longitudinal to the park, as we all
know. It's a wonderful place to go and spend some time. There are some issues that
come up, and that is trying to maintain it and make sure that it stays clear of debris.
Public Works, I think, has done a very good job, but over the years, it's difficult to either
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stop a tree from growing, or if one fell down, to know that it fell and go out and clean that
tree up. I think that's been part of the issues that have dealt with West Neck Creek. The
creek, itself, carves a large amount of water during a rainfall event. The drainage in
Castleton, the drainage in this subdivision, to some extent, the drainage in Lake Placid
are being, what I called "detained" which means it's being slowed down and let lose after
the storm event has passed. That's the way things are engineered during computer
models, and I can assure you there have been any number of, literally hundreds of models
done on this particular creek to make sure that what is being done in this area is going to
be done correctly and done with conscience towards not only the development that's
going on but the other developments around it. Just saying that means that the storm
drainage systems have presented every confidence that the City engineers are going to
make sure and the developer's engineers together with those items that were talked about
today from yard drainage to canal system that's not quite working to worrying about how
it's going to flow into West Neck Creek. This water is already going into West Neck
Creek, and the water that will be drained from this property will not be in excess of
what's already going there. So, there's no net gain. That's part of the rules of the
development that has to occur. One lady mentioned, I think Ms. Duffy that there was
water under her house. I just want to make sure, and I think she knows this, but that is a
builder's problem. That's not related to the development. There are duct valves on the
Castleton outfall system at the primary outdoor fall for the Buckingham Village. A duct
valve actually opens when the water in the creek is lower and stays closed when the water
in the creek goes up. That was done supposedly to stop water from coming back into the
subdivision. If in fact, the water is staying in the subdivision in that storm water
management facility too long, then it may be that valve is not working. I would suggest
that Public Works get involved to make sure that they get that straight. The BMP that
was supposed to be dry, but remains wet and the month of May, I think we had 20 days
of rain. We've probably had the wettest summer we've had that I could remember. And,
even though the events may look like they are not that severe, the continual rain causes
the ground to be saturated and all of us, with any sense to my yard, to your yard to
anybody else's yard know that after this summer. That would also lead to the fact that
the BMP was built dry, otherwise it wouldn't have been built. It was built and it was dry.
So, it was dry at some point. And the last thing is the canal system, I would suggest that
is on the eastern part of this property next to the Hunt Club, and it goes across the
southern portion of the property. I have walked that canal and I know that canal is
heavily encumbered with existing trees and growth and other things. And maintenance
probably does need to be run on that; so, I would ask that Public Works do that. And
stating all of that, I think the developer has done a very unique job of backing off the
previous proposals that we've seen. I believe staff believes the same, and the proposed
development is one that I personally feel has achieved what all of us were asking for, and
that is the honoring of the environmental situation, the honoring of the drainage situation.
I do like the idea of putting in the additional condition of an easement for the buffered
trees. I think that assures the people that have been here that are worried about that. Let
me tell you that's a "Catch 22" when you talk about the drainage issues, because if we
save the trees you can't change the grade around the trees so that may be a little bit of a
drainage issue which needs to be balanced like Mr. Bourdon indicated I think with good
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engineering while we're environmentally sensitive to saving these trees. And, the last
thing I want to say is I personally very glad that the Navy put the additional F-18As here
and I hope they fly over my house everyday and every night. Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any other comments? Bob said it pretty well. I would like to
comment on the plan itself also because I was on the Commission when it carve through
the first time. When you flip that board over and you flip it over to this side, it's like a
world of difference. Looking at the density, and if you take the developable acres and
you divide it to what was proposed you probably get four to the acre. I think the original
plan got to three and a half because there was a lot of variances required in order to create
more land within the floodplain in order to achieve the number of the density. This case,
the developer is not asking for any variance. The variances that we're working with is
the land that's there for the most part with the exception of some of the roadways that
have to get through there, and I appreciate, quite frankly, this type of exhibit because you
get to see the whole floodplain in a much broader sense than some time the way it's
presented, which is very hard to see the whole picture. And this is a very helpful way to
view what's going on. I think Bob probably covered most everything that I was
interested in talking about probably and then some. I think the fact that the developer has
recognized the fact that in working with Mr. Scott, his department, there may be more
adjustments. That's very appreciative from the Planning Commission's point of view,
because I'm sure there's going to be some nips, picks and tucks, and once you get down
on the ground with the engineers and actually measure the inches you're going to find
some differences. You may just find, and hopefully that works out well for the
developer, if that's the case. But, when it comes down for a motion, I'm going to support
this. I think it's a good plan. I think it's very creative, and it as Mr. Miller said "it's
environmentally sensitive to this piece of land" and this land is a developable piece of
land and you have to recognize that. It's 72 acres. Is that correct? Yes Barry.
Barry Knight: I agree with what Ron and Bob both say. We have a unique waterway in
West Neck, and by being in the Southern Watershed Management Area, I would assume
that the largest majority of the water is towards Back Bay And with the trees over West
Neck Creek, we're subjected to a wind tide, which means when wind blows out of the
north, we get a low tide. When the wind blows out of the south, we get a high tide. And,
if you have a south wind, it backs the water up here, and then if you have a rain event,
which is usually associated with a south wind, then the water can't get away. So, I know
the residents may not have the exact answer that they're looking for but their voice was
heard today because Public Works will get a message that they need to go out there and
see about these trees that are over West Neck Creek or some of the tributaries of West
Neck to try and get them out of here so the water will flow out of this area a little better.
I have a good comfort level with that done that this site will actually improve the
drainage on the surrounding neighborhoods so I'll be supporting this project also. I
wouldn't mind putting that in a way of a motion also.
Ronald Ripley: Do you want to make that a motion at this point?
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Barry Knight: If you have more discussion.
Ronald Ripley: Okay.
William Din: I'd just like to make a comment also. I think this development is a
environmentally sensitive development, and I know the speakers that came up here in
opposition of this may feel that they don't see how this is being environmentally safe to
their area, but if you look at the map, the Castleton area, the Pine Ridge area is built right
up to the property line. If those areas were developed with the same environmental
concerns of these wetlands, you probably wouldn't have the houses butted right up
against this property level. A lot of these houses wouldn't be there, because they are built
in the flood areas or the wetlands that this development is trying to avoid. And, that's
why those areas are lower. You see the line. You see the development of Castleton and
Pine Ridge, come right up to that line. Well, wetlands just didn't stop there. And, so
there is a lot of thought to the environment and the concerns and how this development is
built around the wetland areas and I agree with the comments with the drainage. I think it
will improve the drainage overall in this area and I to will be supporting this.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any other comments? Mr. Scott.
Robert Scott: I feel compelled to say one thing. You have our staff report. My comment
has to do with tree preservation. Our staff has got a lot of experience in recent times by
dealing with very difficult issues like this. I must say that I would not encourage
anybody to very optimistic about tree preservation on this property for two reasons.
Number one, you have no tree preservation proffer. A note on the plat isn't going to do
any good. By the time this is put to record most of the trees will be gone anyway.
Number two, even with a tree preservation proffer, tree preservation and drainage are sort
of development opposites of one another. There's going to have to be some significant
adjustment to grades in this area, and to adjust grades, you've got to clear trees. I don't
want to labor the point by identifying properties for you that you've dealt with and we've
dealt with recently where we've had significant tree preservations proffers on them.
They're not that effective in preserving trees. The development will sometime
necessitate that the trees be cleared out, and this is a piece of property, with the size of the
lots that are there and with the necessity to put drainage as a top priority, same degree of
manipulation I suspect is going to have to take place. I think that I would not be that
optimistic about the ability to preserve trees. In the interest of fairness, I just need to say
that.
Ronald Ripley: I think that's a very practical statement.
Charlie Salle': I have a comment.
Ronald Ripley: Charlie.
Charlie Salle' • Bob, having brought that up, I often observed, that it seems to me that's
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actually what happens. You have to grade lots even where there's not even a particular
drainage problem, but you grade them to meet City standards even if the drainage is not
an issue, and as a result of that, the trees have to go. And, I often thought that as a
property owner that I would rather have the trees on the lot and drainage problems and
puddling on my property then see the trees go, but it seems to me that's just the opposite
than most people. We've heard a lot of comments about standing water on people's lots
and people just don't tolerate it. And, I think that message comes across so loudly for the
City that they set the standards so that you have to create these standards to deal with the
drainage. And, I think probably we're our worst enemy when it comes to these issues.
Ronald Ripley: I don't disagree. Okay, Barry, did you want to make a motion here.
Barry Knight: I'll make a motion on agenda Items #19 & 20, Alcar, LLC, that we
approve the application as proffered.
Ronald Ripley: We have a motion to approve. Do I have a second? Seconded by Kathy
Katsias. Is there any further discussion? Then, we would like to vote.
AYE 10 NAY 0
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Ronald Ripley: By a vote of 10-0, the motion carves.
ABSENT
We, the undersigned, homeowners of Chartwell of Castleton and Buckingham of
Castleton are petitioning in opposition of the proposed rezoning on the Planning;
Commission Agenda for September 10, 2003 items 19 and 20 for the following:
19 & 20.
ALCAR, L.L.C.
19. (# J 11-210-CRZ-2002) Change of Zoning District Classification from AG-1
and AG-2 Agricultural Districts to Conditional R-10 Residential District
on the north side of Nimmo Parkway (unimproved), approximately 910
feet west of Rockingchair Lane (GPIN 2404573796; 2404564943;
2404371633). The Comprehensive Plan recommends use of this parcel for
residential uses at or below 3.5 dwelling units per acre. The
Comprehensive Plan also identifies the site as a Conservation Area where
land -disturbing activities should be avoided, mitigated, or under certain
conditions prohibited. DISTRICT 7 - PRINCESS ANNE
20. (# J I 1-210-CUP-2002) Conditional Use Permit for Open Space Promotion on
the north side of Nimmo Parkway (unimproved), approximately 910 feet
west of Rockingchair Lane (GPIN 2404573796; 2404564943;
2404371633). DISTRICT 7 - PRINCESS ANNE
We oppose this rezoning based on our neighborhoods' flooding problems and remedies
thereof by the City of Virginia Beach. Castleton, as a whole, has always been inundated
with drainage and flooding issues. We do not think it would be prudent for the
Commission to approve this rezoning and ultimate subdivision development of the above
referenced property. The flooding and drainage issues of Castleton would escalate as a
new development in that location would permit considerably more drainage into our
already overburdened and troublesome "dry" BMP and drainage system.
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5cptember S, 2003
Cunent Planning Division
Municipal Center
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2405 Courthouse Dri%e
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Dear Planning Commission
We strongly oppose applications :'Jl 1-210-CRZ-2002 and=J11-210-CUP-2002 listed on the
September 10"' agenda
Anv additional floodplatn variance «ould further aggravate the eatensr�e flooding problems
experienced by the Pine Ridge, Castleton and Hunt Club neighborhoods In addition w ercrowdina
of schools, opposition from the united States \a%•y and disruption of the conservation area (as
mentioned in the staff recommendation) are , alid reasons for denying these applications
We respectfully request that the applications for rezoning from AG-1 & aG-2 to Residential (R-10)
be denied
Sincerely,
Joanne T Brooks
August 25, 2003
Current Planning Division
Municipal Center
Building 2, Room 115
2405 Courthouse Drive
N' irginia Beach, VA 23456-9040
Dear Planning Commission
V4 a understand that applications =J 11-210-CRZ-2002 and 'J 1 1-210-CL: P-2002, which appeared as items
four and fi,,e on the Planning Commission agenda for the August 13 2003, were deferred for thirty days
We would like to reiterate that we strongly oppose these requests, as disruption of the land would be
detrimental to the birds and wildlife li,,ing and nesting there In addition, other issues were brought to our
attention in the Commission's Staff Report (8/13/03) such as the flood plain variance, overcrowding of
schools, and the opposition from the united States Navy
We are not opposed to growth in surrounding areas of Virginia Beach as long as existing roads, schools and
public utilities are in place to support this growth As stated in the Commission's Staff Report (8/13/03),
Kellam High is already over capacity by 286 (which does NOT take into account other projects already
approved and under construction) Roads in our area (London Bridge Road, General Booth Bltid , etc) are
already congested, and we don't believe the current roads and schools are sufficient to support the growth
that we've seen here and else where in the area
We respectfully request that the applications be denied as further development of the land between the
neighborhoods of South Gate, Pine Ridge and Castleton would be a negative impact on the community and
the wetlands and wildlife contained therein
In the event that these applications are approved despite strong community and Government opposition, we
request that a fifty to seventy-five foot buffer, which contains mature trees and vegetation, be left between
the new development and the neighborhoods of Pine Ridge and Castleton If property lines are made to
connect to our property lines, drainage toward our properties will cause further flooding problems As it is
now, we have quite a problem keeping standing water away from our rear property lines
Thank you for your consideration
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Angela and John Snyder
2404 Windy Pines Bend
Va Beach, VA 23456
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City Of Virginia Beach
In Reply Refer To Our File No. DF-5676
TO: Leslie L. Lilley —\
FROM: B. Kay Wilso
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INTER -OFFICE CORRESPONDENCE
RE: Conditional Zoning Application
ALCAR, L.L.C., et als
DATE: October 16, 2003
DEPT: City Attorney
DEPT: City Attorney
The above -referenced conditional zoning application is scheduled to be heard by the
City Council on October 28, 2003. I have reviewed the subject proffer agreement, dated
December 12, 2002, and have determined it to be legally sufficient and in proper legal form.
A copy of the agreement is attached.
Please feel free to call me if you have any questions or wish to discuss this matter
further.
BKW
Enclosure
PREPARED BY
��: SYKES BOURDON,
li7L�! . ERN & LB Y. P C
ALCAR, L.L.C., a Virginia limited liability company
T. WAYNE MOSTILER and BARBARA C MOSTILER, Trustees
FALSE CAPE ASSOCIATES, a Virginia limited partnership
TO (PROFFERED COVENANTS, RESTRICTIONS AND CONDITIONS)
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, a municipal corporation of the Commonwealth of
Virginia
THIS AGREEMENT, made this 12th day of December, 2002, by and between
ALCAR, L.L.C., a Virginia limited liability company, Grantor, party of the first part;
T WAYNE MOSTILER and BARBARA C. MOSTILER, Trustees for the T. Wayne
Mostiler, D.D.S., Ltd. Employees Pension Plan and Trustees for the T. Wayne
Mostaler, D.D.S., Ltd. Employees Profit-Shanng Plan, Grantor, party of the second
part; FALSE CAPE ASSOCIATES, a Virginia limited partnership, Grantor, party of
the third part, and THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, a municipal corporation of the
Commonwealth of Virginia, Grantee, party of the fourth part.
WITNESSETH:
WHEREAS, the party of the second part is the owner of a certain parcel of
property located in the Princess Anne District of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia,
containing approximately 48.27 acres and described as "Parcel One" in Exhibit "A"
attached hereto and incorporated herein by this reference, which parcel, along with
Parcel "Two" and "Three" is herein referred to as the "Property", and
WHEREAS, the party of the third part is the owner of two (2) certain parcels of
property located in the Princess Anne District of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia,
containing approximately 64.05 acres and described as "Parcel Two" and "Parcel
Three" in Exhibit "A" attached hereto and incorporated herein by this reference,
which parcels, along with "Parcel One" is herein referred to as the "Property", and
GPIN• 2404-37-1633
2404-57-3796
2404-56-4943
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PREPARED BY
701H SUES. POURDON.
AHERN & LEVY. PC
WHEREAS, the party of the first part is the contract purchaser of the Property
and has initiated a conditional amendment to the Zoning Map of the City of Virginia
i Beach, Virginia, by petition addressed to the Grantee so as to change the Zoning
Classifications of the Property from AG-1 and AG-2 to Conditional R-10 Residential
j District with a Conditional Use Permit for Open Space Promotion; and
WHEREAS, the Grantee's policy is to provide only for the orderly development
of land for various purposes through zoning and other land development legislation,
and
WHEREAS, the Grantor acknowledges that the competing and sometimes
incompatible uses conflict and that in order to permit differing uses on and in the
area of the Property and at the same time to recognize the effects of change, and the
need for various types of uses, certain reasonable conditions governing the use of the
Property for the protection of the community that are not generally applicable to land
similarly zoned are needed to cope with the situation to which the Grantor's rezoning j
j application gives rise; and
WHEREAS, the Grantor has voluntarily proffered, in writing, in advance of
and prior to the public hearing before the Grantee, as a part of the proposed
amendment to the Zoning Map, in addition to the regulations provided for the R-10
j Zoning District by the existing overall Zoning Ordinance, the following reasonable
conditions related to the physical development, operation, and use of the Property to
be adopted as a part of said amendment to the Zoning Map relative and applicable to
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the Property, which has a reasonable relation to the rezoning and the need for which
is generated by the rezoning
NOW, THEREFORE, the Grantor, for itself, its successors, personal
representatives, assigns, grantees, and other successors in title or interest,
voluntarily and without any requirement by or exaction from the Grantee or its
governing body and without any element of compulsion or quid pro quo for zoning,
` rezoning, site plan, building permit, or subdivision approval, hereby makes the j
followingdeclaration of conditions and restriction which shall restrict and govern
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the physical development, operation, and use of the Property and hereby covenant
and agree that this declaration shall constitute covenants running with the Property,
j which shall be binding upon the Property and upon all parties and persons claiming
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under or through the Grantor, its successors, personal representatives, assigns,
grantee, and other successors in interest or title and which will not be required of the
Grantors until the Property is developed.
1. When development takes place upon that portion of the Property which
is to be developed, it shall be as a single family residential community substantially
in conformance with the Exhibit entitled "CONCEPTUAL SUBDIVISION PLAN OF
NIMMOS QUAY, VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA"', dated December 12, 2002, prepared
by Clark-Nexsen, which has been exhibited to the Virginia Beach City Council and is
on file with the Virginia Beach Department of Planning ("Concept Plan").
2. When the Property is developed, approximately 22.7 acres of parklands,
lakes and recreation areas designated "Open Space" on the Concept Plan shall be
dedicated to and maintained by the Property Owners Association. When the
Property is developed, playground equipment and neighborhood park improvements
meeting the City's Department of Parks and Recreation Standards shall be installed
in the four (4) areas designated "PARK" on the Concept Plan.
3. When the Property is developed, approximately 39.5 acres of land
designated as "Conservation Area" on the Concept Plan shall be dedicated to the City
of Virginia Beach for inclusion in the West Neck Creek Linear Park.
4. When the Property is subdivided, it shall be subject to a recorded
Declaration of Protective Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions ("Deed
Restrictions") administered by a Homeowners Association which shall, among other
things maintain the Open Space areas.
S. All residential dwellings constructed on the Property shall incorporate
architectural features, design elements and high quality building materials
substantially similar in quality to those depicted on the four (4) photographs labeled
"Typical Home Elevations AT NIMMOS QUAY" dated December 12, 2002 which have
been exhibited to the Virginia Beach City Council and are on file with the Virginia
Beach Department of Planning. Any one story dwelling shall contain no less than
2500 square feet of enclosed living area excluding garage area and any two-story
dwelling shall contain no less than 2600 square feet of enclosed living area excluding
garage area. The front yards of all homes shall be sodded. The Deed Restrictions
shall require each dwelling to have, at a minimum, a two (2) car garage.
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6. When the Property is developed, the party of the First Part shall
construct a two lane section of Nimmo Parkway Phase V-A CIP 2-121 in accordance
with the Virginia Department of Transportation's engineering standards for the
roadway, within the existing Nimmo Parkway public right of way extending east
approximately 2560± feet from the entrance to the subdivision to connect with the
existing improved Ninmo Parkway road section.
7. When the Property is developed, the party of the first part shall extend
public utilities, to serve the subdivision, including possible construction of an off -site
sewage pump station.
8. Further conditions may be required by the Grantee during detailed Site
Plan and/or Subdivision review and administration of applicable City codes by all
cognizant City agencies and departments to meet all applicable City code
requirements. Any references hereinabove to the R-10 Zoning District and to the
requirements and regulations applicable thereto refer to the Zoning Ordinance and
Subdivision Ordinance of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, in force as of the date
of approval of this Agreement by City Council, which are by this reference
incorporated herein.
The above conditions, having been proffered by the Grantor and allowed and
accepted by the Grantee as part of the amendment to the Zoning Ordinance, shall
continue in full force and effect until a subsequent amendment changes the zoning
of the Property and specifically repeals such conditions. Such conditions shall
continue despite a subsequent amendment to the Zoning Ordinance even if the
subsequent amendment is part of a comprehensive implementation of a new or
substantially revised Zoning Ordinance until specifically repealed. The conditions,
however, may be repealed, amended, or varied by written instrument recorded in the
Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, and
executed by the record owner of the Property at the time of recordation of such
instrument, provided that said instrument is consented to by the Grantee in writing
as evidenced by a certified copy of an ordinance or a resolution adopted by the
governing body of the Grantee, after a public hearing before the Grantee which was
advertised pursuant to the provisions of Section 15.2-2204 of the Code of Virginia,
1950, as amended. Said ordinance or resolution shall be recorded along with said
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instrument as conclusive evidence of such consent, and if not so recorded, said
instrument shall be void.
The Grantor covenants and agrees that:
(1) The Zoning Administrator of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, shall
be vested with all necessary authority, on behalf of the governing body of the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, to administer and enforce the foregoing conditions and
restrict -tons, including the authority (a) to order, in writing, that any noncompliance
with such conditions be remedied; and (b) to bring legal action or suit to insure
compliance with such conditions, including mandatory or prohibitory injunction,
abatement, damages, or other appropriate action, suit, or proceeding,
(2) The failure to meet all conditions and restrictions shall constitute cause
to deny the issuance of any of the required building or occupancy permits as may be
appropriate;
(3) If aggrieved by any decision of the Zoning Administrator, made
pursuant to these provisions, the Grantor shall petition the governing body for the
review thereof prior to instituting proceedings to court; and
(4) The Zoning Map may show by an appropriate symbol on the map the
existence of conditions attaching to the zoning of the Property, and the ordinances
and the conditions may be made readily available and accessible for public
inspection in the office of the Zoning Administrator and in the Planning Department,
and they shall be recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, and indexed in the names of the Grantor and the Grantee.
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WITNESS the following signature and seal:
j GRANTOR.
I
i ALCAR, L.L.C.,
a Virginia limited liability company
By: SEAL)
an S Resh, Member
STATE OF VIRGINIA
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, to -wit.
I
The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this 12th day of
December, 2002, by Alan S. Resh, Member of ALCAR, L.L.C., a Virginia limited
i liability company.
Notary Public
My Commission Expires: August 31, 2006
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WITNESS the following signature and seal:
GRANTOR:
V / (SEAL)
T. Wayn Mostiler, Trustee
SEAL)
Barbara C. Mostiler, Trustee
STATE OF VIRGINIA
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, to -wit -
The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this
ber, 2002, by T. Wayne Mostiler, Trustee.
Notary Public
1 My Commission Expires
STATE OF VIRGINIA
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, to -wit:
day of j
The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this _jr of
g g g Y
ber, 2002, by Barbara C. Mostiler, Trustee.
Zia&
Notary Publi
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SUIS. POURDON.
A149ZN & Lam'. PC
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WITNESS the following signature and seal
GRANTOR:
FALSE CAPE ASSOCIATES,
a Virgini limited partnership
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By: �� s:.L� %.�� �',. � (SEAL)
Dougla iTalbot, General Partner
STATE OF VIRGINIA
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, to -wit:
The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this 20th day of
December, 2002, by Douglas Talbot, General Partner of False Cape Associates, a
Virginia limited partnership.
4 "err
Notary Public
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EXHIBIT "A"
PARCEL ONE:
That certain tract or parcel of land containing 50.955 acres, more or less, being
bounded on the North by the property now or formerly belonging to the Marie E
Bratten Estate and T.C.C. Development Co., on the East by the property now or
formerly belonging to Harry L. Van Note and Mabel G. Van Note, and being bounded
j on the South by the property now or formerly belonging to Willis Brown and being
bounded on the West by the property now or formerly belonging to Maury F. Riganto
j and Grace T. Riganto, and being further described as follows
BEGINNING at a 21-inch cypress located at a common corner between the property
now or formerly belonging to the Mane E. Bratten Estate and Maury F. Riganto and
Grace T. Riganto, and running thence North 74 degrees 33 minutes 02 seconds East
293.92 feet to a pipe, North 74 degrees 37 minutes 41 seconds East 199.08 feet to
an iron pipe, North 74 degrees 17 minutes 28 seconds East 460.48 feet to an iron
pipe, North 74 degrees 17 minutes 40 seconds East 618.23 feet to a pipe, North 75
degrees 32 minutes 21 seconds East 1,900.72 feet to a pipe, and North 74 degrees
06 minutes 46 seconds East 135 60 feet to an iron pipe in the centerline of a ditch,
thence turning and running South 47 degrees 11 minutes 44 seconds East 86.92
feet to an iron pipe in the centerline of a ditch, thence South 05 degrees 54 minutes
06 seconds East 113.50 feet to an iron pipe in the centerline of a ditch, thence South
36 degrees 49 minutes 07 seconds West 131.95 feet, thence South 20 degrees 53
minutes 54 seconds West 91.11 feet to an iron pipe in the centerline of a ditch,
thence South 48 degrees 29 minutes 10 seconds West 223.72 feet to a point in the
Eastern edge of Brown Town Road, thence South 11 degrees 47 minutes 07 seconds
West 324.92 feet to an iron pipe in the centerline of a ditch located in the Eastern
edge of the Brown Town Road, thence turning and running South 75 degrees 23
minutes 42 seconds West 1,128 71 feet to an iron pipe in the centerline of a ditch,
thence South 74 degrees 39 minutes 03 seconds West 1,250 65 feet to an 18-inch
maple, thence turning and running North 59 degrees 18 minutes 31 seconds West
734.65 feet to a 7-inch cypress, thence North 39 degrees 06 minutes 41 seconds
West 37 22 feet to a 12-inch cypress, thence North 67 degrees 54 minutes 01 second
West 281.79 feet to a 21-inch cypress, the Point of Beginning.
GPIN: 2404-37-1633
PARCEL TWO:
All that certain tract, piece or parcel of land, lying, being and situate in Princess
Anne Borough (formerly Seaboard Magisterial District, Princess Anne County) City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, and bounded and described as follows -
Beginning at a pine located at the corner of property now or formerly belonging to
Brown, Roper and Wright's heirs and running thence N 11 3/4 degrees W. 2 64 chains
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to a pine stump; thence N 43 degrees W 1.10 chains to a pine; thence N 73 1/2
degrees W 2 87 chains to a pine stump; thence N 82 1/2 degrees W 2.45 chains to a
pine stump; thence N 73 degrees W 4 06 chains to a pine, thence N 62 1/2 degrees W
2.81 chains to a pine stump hole; thence N 31 1/2 degrees W 3 44 chains to a station
j on the south side of a ditch at the Browntown Bridge; thence N 56 degrees E 1 44
chains to a station on the south side of a lead ditch, thence N 70 3/4 degrees E 1 54
chains to an unmarked cypress on the south side of said lead ditch; thence N 79 1/2
degrees E 2.30 chains to a station on the south side of said lead ditch, thence N 57
1/2 degrees E 4.37 chains to a station on the south side of said lead ditch, thence N
55 1/2 degrees E 1.74 chains to a station on the south side of said lead ditch; thence
N 81 1/4 degrees E 3.53 chains to a station on the south side of said lead ditch;
thence N 67 3/4 degrees E 1.50 chains to a station on the south side of said lead
ditch; thence N 57 degrees E 1.16 chains to a station on the south side of said lead
ditch; thence S 72 1/2 degrees E 2 42 chains to a stone at the corner of property now
or formerly belonging to Roper's Rail Road and the property of Lamb in the line of
property now or formerly belonging to Brown; thence S 14 3/4 degrees W 3 22 chains
to a station in the line of said railroad, thence S 1/4 degree W 12 69 chains to a stone
in the line of said railroad at the corner of property belonging to Lamb, thence S 87
1/2 degrees W .47 chains to a sweet gum; thence S 87 1/2 degrees W 1 62 chains to
the point of beginning and containing 16 acres and 37 poles more or less
Excepting from the above is a parcel conveying by deed to the City of Virginia Beach,
Virginia from Harry L Van Note and Mabel G. Van Note, husband and wife, for a
roadway, said Deed being recorded in the aforesaid Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court
of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia in Deed Book 1098, at Page 545, containing
2.690 acres, more or less, known and designated as Parcel 008 (Courthouse -Indian
River Road Extended) .
GPIN: 2404-56-4943
PARCEL THREE:
All that certain tract, piece or parcel of land, lying in "Brown Town" in Princess Anne
Borough (formerly Seaboard Magisterial District) City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, and
being more particularly described as follows:
Beginning at a cypress at Brown Town Bridge, and running North 44 degrees W 2.33
chains to a pine; thence N 29 degrees W 2 67 chains to a post, thence N 10 degrees
W 1.89 chains to a pine; thence N 9 3/4 degrees W 2.19 chains to a pine stump;
thence 6 1/4 degrees W 4.61 chains to a pine; thence N 1 1/4 degrees E 2.06 chains to
a pine; thence N 34 degrees E 4.46 chains to a pine; thence N 38 1/4 degrees E 4.82
chains to an oak; thence N 58 degrees E 3.18 chains to a beech; thence N 46 1/2
degrees E 2.13 chains to a gum stump; thence N 86 3/4 degrees E 18.31 chains to a
post; thence S 6 3/4 degrees E 5.81 chains on line ditch; thence S 7 3/4 W 12.17
chains to a stone on line ditch; thence along said ditch S 73 1/4 degrees W 1.43
chains; thence S 47 degrees W 2.08 chains; thence N 78 1/2 degrees W 1.33 chains;
thence S 58 1/4 degrees W 1 23 chains; thence N 74 3/4 degrees W 2 01 chains,
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thence S 60 1/4 degrees W 2.06 chains; thence S 71 1/4 degrees W .76 chain; thence
S 89 degrees W 3.43 chains, thence S 55 degrees W 3.86 chains; thence S 63 1/4
degrees W 2.53 chains, thence S 81 degrees W 2.65 chains; thence S 70 degrees W
12.13 chains; thence S 57 degrees W 1.07 chains to beginning, containing fifty-six
acres and one rod, more or less and bounded by the lands now or formerly belonging
to Willis Brown, and Boston Brown and Jno L. Brown.
i GPIN: 2404-57-3796
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Item IV-12.c.
PUBLIC HEARING ITEM # 36742
PLANNING
Attorney R. Edward Bourdon, Pembroke One, Fifth Floor, represented the applicant
The following registered in OPPOSITION.
Glenn Tainter, 2140Kenwood Drive, Phone• 427=1929, represented the Courthouse/Sandbridge coalition
of Civic Organisations
Lou Pace, 1908 Hunts Neck Court, Phone. 468-0925
A motion was made by Councilman Dean, seconded by Councilman Moss to DENY Ordinances upon
application of EIGHT D CORP. for a Change of Zoning District Classification and a Conditional Use
Permit
Upon SUBSTITUTE MOTION by Councilman Branch, seconded by Councilman Lanteigne, City Council
ADOPTED Ordinances upon application of EIGHT D CORP. for a Change of Zoning District
Classification and a Conditional Use Permit
ORDINANCE UPONAPPLICATION OF EIGHT D CORP., A VIRGINIA
CORPORATION FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION FROM AG-2 TO B-2 Z04931385
BE IT HEREBY ORDAINED BY T UE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF 1,IRGINL4 BEACH, VIRGINIA
Ordinance upon application of Eight D Corp., a Ytrginia Corporation for
a Change of Zoning District Classification from AG-2 Agricultural
District to B-2 Community Business District on certain property located
at the northeast corner of General Booth Boulevard and Culver Lane.
The proposed zoning classification change to B-2 Community Business
District is for community -wide commercial land use. 77ze Comprehensive
Plan recommends use of this parcel for medium density single-family
residential land use at densities that are compatible with single-family
use ut accordance with other plan policies The Plan also allows for
neighborhood office land use if standards outlined in the Courthouse-
Sandbridge chapter of the Plan are adhered to Said parcel contains 2.2
acres PRINCESS ANNE BOROUGH
A ND,
ORDINANCES UPON APPLICATION OF EIGHT D CORP., A
VIRGEVM CORPORA77ON FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR
AN AUTOMOBILE SERVICE STATION R04931817
BE IT HEREBY ORDAINED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF VIRGINM BEACH, 11IRGINL4
Ordinance upon application of Eight D Corp., a Virgzn a Corporation for
a Conditional Use Permit for an automobile service station and car wash
on certain property located at the northeast corner of General Booth
boulevard and Culver Lane Said parcel contains 2.2 acres. PRINCESS
ANNE BOROUGH
The following condition shall be required.
1 Prior to detailed site plan approva4 the applicant shall meet
with the Design Advisory Group for consultation to ensure
architectural and aesthetical compatibility with the surrounding
community
April 27, 1993
Map L-ll
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Brothers Petroleum
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L013 A-18 /
Gpin 241,
ZONING HISTORY
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1. 11/28/00 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 Agricultural District to
Conditional B-1A Neighborhood Business District - Denied
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (Mini -Warehouses) — Denied
8/22/88 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 Agricultural District to B-2
Community Business District - Withdrawn
2. 7/5/00 — ZONING CHANGE from R-7.5 Residential District to B-1A
Limited Business District — Granted
3. 9/13/94 — RECONSIDERATION OF PROFFERS — Granted
4/27/93 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 Agricultural District to B-2
Community Business District — Granted
4/27/93 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (Automobile Service Station/Car
Wash)— Granted
9/24/91 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (Gas Sales and Store) — Denied
9/24/91 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 Agricultural District to B-2
Community Business District — Denied
12/19/88 — CONDITIONAL ZONING from AG-2 Agricultural District
to B-2 Community Business District — Denied
4 6/25/96 — MODIFICATION OF CONDITIONS — Granted
8/14/89 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 to B-2 — Granted
3/27/89 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 to B-2 — Withdrawn
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ITEM: Malbon Bros. Petroleum, L.L.C. — Change of Zoning District Classification
(AG-2 Agricultural District to Conditional B-2 Community Business District);
Conditional Use Permit (car wash); Modification of Conditions (Eight D Corp.)
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
(a) An Ordinance upon Application of Malbon Bros Petroleum, L L C for a
Change of Zoning District Classification from AG-2 Agricultural District to
Conditional B-2 Community Business District on property located on the
northeast corner of General Booth Boulevard and Culver Lane (GPIN
2415316485). DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE
(b) An Ordinance upon Application of Malbon Bros Petroleum, L L C for a
Conditional Use Permit for a car wash on property located on the northeast
corner of General Booth Boulevard and Culver Lane (GPIN 2415316485)
DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE
(c) An Ordinance upon Application of Malbon Bros. Petroleum, L L C for a
Modification of Conditions to applications of Eight D Corp for a Conditional
Rezoning and Conditional Use Permit approved by City Council on April 27,
1993 Property is located at 1896 General Booth Boulevard (GPIN
2415315378, 2415313399, 2415314208) DISTRICT 7 —PRINCESS ANNE
The purpose of the requests is for the development of an automated and self-
service car wash facility in conjunction with an existing convenience store, fuel,
and car wash business. The proposed changes would also add one fuel
dispenser to the existing operation and relocate and expand the existing car
wash The expansion is contained on the existing Conditional B-2 zoned parcel
and the AG-2 Agricultural zoned parcel to the north.
■ Considerations:
The existing convenience store and fuel pumps and canopy will remain, however,
one (1) additional fueling island is proposed One (1) fuel dispenser will be
added (providing two (2) more fuel stations) and the canopy above will also be
extended An additional trash dumpster and three (3) more parking spaces in
front of the convenience store are also proposed
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The existing single -vehicle automated car wash will be removed and replaced
with a dual -car wash In addition, the applicant is proposing eight (8) bays for
motor vehicle self-service washing. In an effort to reduce noise and eliminate any
potential negative impacts to the residential properties to the east, the automatic
car wash is proposed as close to General Booth Boulevard as possible. The
applicant has noted that all driers will be located within the structure
Staff recommends approval There was no opposition to the requests
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 9-0 to approve
the requests with the following conditions:
1 No more than eight (8) self -serve car wash bays and no more than two (2)
automated car wash bays shall be permitted on the site
2 An elevation of the proposed automated and self wash structure shall be
submitted to the Planning Department during final site plan review The
color of the metal standing seam roof, all visible interior supports and any
other accent features depicted as red
3 Streetscape landscaping shall be installed along the General Booth
Boulevard frontage for the parcel identified on the conceptual site plan as
GPIN 2415-31-6485. This landscaping shall utilize the same species as
that on the existing commercial site to the south
4 All interior property lines shall be vacated prior to the issuance of a
Certificate of Occupancy.
5 The final Landscape Plan shall include the species, caliper (measured a
breast height), number and location of all existing trees greater than 10
inches in diameter to remain as well as the species, caliper, number and
location of all proposed trees within the area identified as "wooded area
on the Conceptual Site Plan Trees within the wooded area shall be at
least 50 percent evergreen, 2 '/2 inches in caliper at the time of planting
and shall be of a species and at a spacing acceptable to the Planning
Department.
6 In addition to the plant material depicted on the site plan within the
"landscape area" to the west of the proposed car wash structure, Category
I landscaping shall be installed along the entire northern foundation of the
automated wash structure
7 A Lighting Plan and/or a Photometric Diagram Plan shall be submitted
during final site plan review Said plan shall include the location of all pole
mounted and building mounted lighting fixtures, direction of light, and the
listing of lamp type, wattage, and type of fixture. Where lighting fixtures
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are installed along streets, in parking areas, or on the building for
illumination purposes, all fixtures shall be of appropriate height and design
to prevent any direct reflection and/or glare toward adjacent uses and city
streets Said lighting fixtures shall be consistent with the recommendations
for the Design Standards for General Booth Boulevard as described in the
Comprehensive Plan and a depiction of the proposed fixtures shall be
included within the Lighting Plan. Lighting shall be directed down at the
ground, and not out horizontally or up in the air. Any lighting located on the
back of the building(s) must use appropriate shielding/screening in order
to direct light downward at the ground and not toward the adjacent
properties
■ Attachments:
Staff Review
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Recommended Action: Staff recommends approval Planning Commission recommends
approval
Submitting Department/Agency. Planning Department
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City Manager:
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MALBON BROS. PETRO, / # 219 229 & 23
September 10, 2003
General Information:
APPLICATION L11-212-CRZ-2003
NUMBER: L11-212-CUP-2003
L11-212-MOD-2003
REQUEST: 21) Change of Zoning District Classification from AG-2 Agricultural
Districts to Conditional B-2 Community Business District.
22) Conditional Use Permit for a car wash.
23) Modification of Existing Conditions on property Conditionally
Zoned B-2 Community Business District.
ADDRESS: Property located on the east side of General Booth Boulevard, north of
Culver Lane
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
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GPIN: 24153164850000; 24153153780000; 24153133990000;
24153142080000
ELECTION
DISTRICT: 7 - PRINCESS ANNE
SITE SIZE: 2.724 acres
STAFF
PLANNER: Carolyn A.K. Smith
PURPOSE: For the development of an automated and self-service car wash facility
in conjunction with an existing convenience store, fuel, and car wash
business. The proposed changes would also add one fuel dispenser to
the existing operation and relocate and expand the existing car wash.
APPLICATION This application was deferred at the August public hearing to provide
HISTORY: the applicant time to revise the submitted plans to address the
concerns of the Planning Commission.
Major Issues:
• Degree to which the proposed use can be situated on the site and adequately
screened so as to not adversely impact the surrounding properties,
particularly the existing dwellings to the east.
• Consistency with the
provisions of the
Comprehensive Plan,
particularly regarding the
General Booth Boulevard
Corridor.
Land Use, Zoning, and
Site Characteristics:
. �;: B&4C
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
MALBON BROS. PETRO. / # 219 229 & 23
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Existing Land Use and Zoning
The property under consideration for the rezoning and the new Conditional Use Permit
for the car wash is currently zoned AG-2 Agricultural District. There is an existing
single-family dwelling on this site that will be removed.
The remaining portions of the site are currently zoned Conditional B-2 with a recorded
Conditional Zoning Agreement that describes the permitted activity on the site. A
modification to that agreement is required as the applicant wishes to expand the fuel
sales and alter the approved configuration of the car wash structure.
Surrounding Land Use and Zoning
North: • Single-family dwelling / AG-2 Agricultural District
South: • Vacant lot / B-1 A Neighborhood Business District
• Culver Lane
• Single-family dwellings / R-7.5 Residential District,
AG-2 Agricultural District
East: • Single-family dwellings / R-7.5 Residential District
West: • General Booth Boulevard
• Corporate Landing Office Park / 1-1 Light Industrial
District
Zoning and Land Use Statistics
With Existing On the area zoned B-2, the current convenience store
Zoning: and fueling operation with the single automated car
wash could continue to operate as proffered. The
following uses are also allowed under this agreement:
business studios, offices and clinics; financial
institutions; greenhouses and plant nurseries; medical
and dental offices; public buildings and grounds.
The parcel zoned AG-2 Agricultural District could
continue to support any agricultural use allowed under
the provisions of the Zoning Ordinance, including the
existing single-family dwelling.
With
Under the new Conditional Zoning Agreement, which
Proposed
will replace the current Agreement, the existing
Zoning:
convenience store with fuel pumps will continue to
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
MALBON BROS. PETRO. / # 219 229 & 23
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operate with the addition of one (1) fuel dispenser. The
single automatic car wash will be relocated and
expanded to a double car wash. Lastly, eight (8) self-
service wash bays will be constructed on the northern
parcel in the same structure as the two (2) automatic
wash bays.
Zoning History
Pertinent activity on this site includes the following:
On B-2 zoned portion ----
12/19/88 — CONDITIONAL ZONING for several adjacent parcels (totaling 5.38
acres), from AG-2 Agricultural District to B-2 Community Business District,
including these lots, was denied in 1988.
9/24/91 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 Agricultural District to B-2
Community Business District and a CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for fuel sales
and a convenience store was denied.
4/27/93 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 Agricultural District to B-2
Community Business District and a CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for fuel sales,
convenience store, and car wash for the parcel at the corner of Culver Lane and
General Booth Boulevard was approved.
9/13/94 — RECONSIDERATION OF PROFFERS attached to the 1993 zoning
change was approved by the City Council.
On AG-2 zoned portion
11/28/00 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 Agricultural District to Conditional B-1A
Neighborhood Business District and a CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for mini -
warehouses was denied.
Air Installation Compatible Use Zone (AICUZ)
The site is in an AICUZ of 70 to 75dB Ldn surrounding NAS Oceana.
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
MALBON BROS. PETRO. / # 219 223 & 23
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Public Facilities and Services
Water and Sewer
There is a 20-inch City water line in General Booth Boulevard and a ten (10) inch City
water line in Culver Lane. If these requests are approved, the existing 5/8-inch meter
must be abandoned and a new connection made from the adjoining lot when the
parcels are merged.
There is an eight (8) inch City sanitary sewer in Culver Lane. There is no gravity sewer
in General Booth Boulevard If these requests are approved, the site must connect from
the adjoining lot when the parcels are combined. A sewer and pump station analysis of
Station 605 will be required to ensure adequate capacity to accommodate the new
flows.
Transportation
Master Transportation Plan (MTP) / Capital Improvement Program (CIP):
General Booth Boulevard in the vicinity of this application is a four (4) lane arterial
roadway. Culver Lane is a four (4) lane collector street. No improvements are
proposed to either of these roadways in the existing CIP.
Traffic Calculations:
Street Name
Present
Present
Generated Traffic
Volume
Capacity
General Booth Boulevard
35,008 ADT
27,400 ADT
Existing Land Use — 1,223 ADT
Proposed Land Use 3- 2,608 ADT
Culver Lane
10,580 ADT'
13,100 ADT'
'Average Daily Trips
2 as defined by fuel sales, convenience store and automated car wash
3 as defined by fuel sales, convenience store and 10 bay self-service car wash
Public Safety
Police: The applicant is encouraged to contact and work with the
Crime Prevention Office within the Police Department for crime
prevention techniques and Crime Prevention Through
Environmental Design (OPTED) concepts and strategies as
they pertain to this site.
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September 10, 2003
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Fire and All Virginia Statewide Fire Prevention Code requirements will
Rescue: be enforced. Any required Fire Code permits and Certificate of
Occupancy must be obtained from the Department of Planning
/ Permits & Inspections Division. Storage of hazardous,
flammable or combustible materials on -site must be within the
scope of the Virginia Statewide Fire Prevention Code and
NFPA. Operator must supply on -site and hazard mitigation kit
for fuel spills. Any car wash bay area that involves the shutting
of doors with a vehicle and occupant inside must have a fail-
safe operation to allow opening of door/doors or a clearly
marked side hinged door for emergency use. In addition
adequate ventilation must be provided to remove vehicle
exhaust.
Comprehensive Plan
Within the Comprehensive Plan, this property is discussed under the
Courthouse/Sandbridge Issues and Policy Section and in the Site Specific Planning
Issues, General Booth Boulevard Corridor Area. The General Booth Boulevard / Map 2
indicates this property is suitable for neighborhood office uses. The current use is not
consistent with the Plan's recommendations.
This property is located within the Corporate Landing node of the Design Standards for
General Booth Boulevard. The landscape design and other design attributes, as well as
the land use of Corporate Landing will have an effect on surrounding design. Highest
Consideration should be given to proposals that go beyond the Design Standards for
General Booth Boulevard.
• The Site Design Guidelines require existing natural characteristics of the site be
identified and considered during design and building placement.
• The Guidelines also recommend that specific attention be given to buffering to
protect the adjacent residential neighborhood from objectionable noise from the
proposed use.
• Site lighting within the Corporate Landing node should be complementary to the
style of lighting fixtures to be used at Corporate Landing. Any additional lighting
should reflect this recommendation in the Plan, as the submitted photographs do not
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Page 6
depict acceptable lighting fixtures.
• Signs within the Corporate Landing Node should be externally illuminated and as
described with the design standards.
• Colors should be less intense, blending in with the surrounding landscape and not
obtrusive. The appropriate design and color of the building should be sufficient; color
should be used as an accent.
Summary of Proposal
Proposal
• The applicant proposes to change the zoning from Agriculture to Business on a
32,294 square foot parcel (located north of the existing B-2 zoned parcel), and to
obtain a Conditional Use Permit for the development of an automated and self-
service car wash facility in conjunction with an existing convenience store, fuel, and
car wash business.
• The applicant also requests to modify the existing Conditional Zoning Agreement
that was approved by City Council in 1994 for the expansion of fuel sales by adding
one (1) fuel dispenser to the existing operation and to relocate and expand the
existing car wash operation.
Site Design
• The existing convenience
store and fuel pumps and
canopy will remain, however,
one (1) additional fueling
island is proposed. One (1)
fuel dispenser will be added
(providing two (2) more fuel
stations) and the canopy
above will also be extended.
An additional trash dumpster
and three (3) more parking
spaces in front of the
convenience store are also
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• The existing single -vehicle automated car wash will be removed and replaced with a
dual -car wash. In addition, the applicant is proposing eight (8) bays for motor
vehicle self-service washing.
• In an effort to reduce noise and eliminate any potential negative impacts to the
residential properties to the east, the automatic car wash is proposed as close to
General Booth Boulevard as possible. The applicant has noted that all driers will be
located within the structure.
• The existing vacuum stations will be relocated in front of the self-service building and
four (4) addition vacuum stations are proposed on the north side of the building.
• A note on the plan indicates that the stormwater runoff will be treated with a
subsurface facility. Details of this system are not provided.
• The revised site plan depicts additional distance between the edge of pavement for
the drive aisles serving the car wash facility and the property line. The original plan
depicted improvements at 15 feet from
the eastern property line, the property
line adjacent to residential parcels.
The revision includes a wooded area
(approximately 40 feet by 160 feet)
that will remain intact along with the
installation of a Category IV buffer.
This moves the edge of pavement
from 15 feet to approximately 55 feet
from the property line.
Vehicular and Pedestrian Access
The existing vehicular entrances along
Culver Lane and General Booth
Boulevard are proposed to remain and to be utilized by the expanded car wash
facility.
• An office is proposed within the car wash structure so pedestrians will not have to
traverse the fuel sales area to obtain assistance from the existing convenience store.
• Pedestrian access throughout the site appears to be adequate.
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September 10, 2003
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Page 8
Architectural Design
• The new car wash elevation depicts a structure with ten (10) drive through bays for
self wash and a two (2) bay automatic wash building located at the western end of
the building, although the applicant has agreed to limit the number of self service
bays to eight (8).
• Transparent walls and roof panels are proposed. A red metal standing seam roof
with red metal supports, visible within the transparent structure, is also depicted.
The mechanical rooms are shown with a beige brick exterior to match that of the
existing convenience store. The submitted elevation (shown below) depicts the
building elevation. The actual elevation on the site, however, will be reversed with
the automatic wash bays located on the west side of the site (as indicated on the site
plan).
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• The addition to the canopy will reflect the design of the existing canopy.
Landscape and Open Space
• The submitted plan depicts a 15 foot wide, Category IV Landscape Buffer (voluntary)
along the northern property line and along the eastern property line (required),
adjacent to the residential neighborhood. Although not required, the applicant is
providing a screen for the currently agriculturally zoned parcel to the north as a
means of eliminating any negative visual impacts that this use might have on the
existing dwelling on the site or potential redevelopment of that site.
• Extensive foundation landscaping is depicted along the fagade of the car wash
facing General Booth Boulevard.
• Staff has recommended a condition for the use permit requiring that streetscape
landscaping on General Booth Boulevard for the parcel proposed for addition to the
existing commercial site continue the streetscape landscaping that exists on the
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September 10, 2003
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Page 9
commercial site.
The dumpsters will require screening and landscaping. This must be shown on the
final site plan.
• The revised site plan depicts a "wooded area," approximately 50 feet wide and 160
feet long, along the eastern property line. This area will be planted and maintained
as a 50 foot wide landscaped and treed buffer. Details of the species and sizes of
the plant material to installed were not provided.
Within this 50 foot wide wooded area and adjacent to the vehicular drive aisles that
will serve the car wash, Category IV landscaping (Leyland cypress and ligustrum) is
proposed. This area is adjacent to the existing stormwater management facility to
the east and provides increased distance and screening for the existing residences.
Proffers
PROFFER # 1 All exterior lighting on the Property shall be directed
downward and shielded to direct light and glare from
adjoining properties.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable.
PROFFER # 2 When the Property is redeveloped, it will be substantially in
accordance with the "Conceptual Site Plan of Conditional
Rezoning and Use Permit for Malbon Bros. Citgo
Expansion...," dated 12/13/02, rev. 4/30/03, rev 7/9/03,
rev 8/19/03 prepared by John E. Sirine & Associates, Ltd.,
has been exhibited to the Virginia Beach City Council and
are on file with the Virginia Beach Planning Department
(the "Concept Plans")
Staff Evaluation: The addition to the gasoline canopy and the relocation and
addition of a second dumpster is acceptable. Staff is
concerned, however, that the scope of the car wash
operation will negatively impact the surrounding properties
and that the open bay design is not consistent with the
design objectives for General Booth Boulevard as
expressed in the Comprehensive Plan. Modifications to
the plan have addressed some of these concerns as the
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September 10, 2003
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Page 10
scope of the project has been scaled back from ten (10)
self-service bays to eight (8). In addition, Proffer 8 has
been modified to ►ncrease the distance of the car wash
operation from the existing residential parcels to the east.
PROFFER # 3 The exterior design, materials and colors of the Existing
Convenience Store and Existing (expanded) Canopy
depicted on the Concept Plans will remain unchanged.
The canopy will be expanded to accommodate one
additional petroleum dispensing station as depicted on the
Concept Plans.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable.
PROFFER # 4 In accordance with the Concept Plans, the only
businesses permitted to operate on the property are
gasoline sales in conjunction with a convenience store and
a car wash facility.
Staff Evaluation: The proffer is acceptable as all of these uses are currently
on the site.
PROFFER # 5 Building materials used to construct visible exterior
surfaces of the structures depicted on the Concept Plans
shall be primarily brick, metal, glass, plexiglass, stucco or
wood.
Staff Evaluation: The use of these matenals is acceptable. It is the design
and the scope of the proposal that is deemed somewhat
excessive for this site; however, the applicant has reduced
the number of self-service bays from ten (10) to eight (8),
which slightly reduces the scale of the project. Staff is
recommending a condition for the Use Permit that requires
the applicant to incorporate a similar architectural element
between the convenience store and the proposed car
wash structure.
PROFFER # 6 When the Property is redeveloped, the architectural
features of the Car Wash depicted on the Concept Plan
shall be substantially in accordance with the "ELEVATION
OF MALBON BROTHERS CITGO EXPANSION," dated
April 30, 2003, prepared by Porterfield Design Center,
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Page 11
which has been exhibited to the Virginia Beach City
Council and is one file with the Virginia Beach Planning
Department (the "Car Wash Elevation").
Staff Evaluation: Staff is concerned that the open bay design, necessitated
by the desire for a self -wash facility, will be aesthetically
inconsistent with the design objectives for the General
Booth Boulevard as expressed in the Comprehensive
Plan. The transition from an automated car wash to a
predominately hand -wash facility detracts from the
applicant's ability to provide an attractive structure that will
blend with the existing, attractive convenience store. Staff
has recommended to the applicant and in the conditions
below that a means of tying the architecture of the
proposed car wash facility to the existing convenience
store be incorporated into the final building design.
PROFFER # 7 Other than signage, which may contain "trademark" colors
and the accent colors on the car wash facility depicted on
the car wash elevation, all other structures depicted on the
Concept Plans shall utilize earth tone color schemes.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer is acceptable.
PROFFER #8 In addition to maintaining the abundance of existing
landscaping along the Property's frontage on General
Booth Boulevard and Culver Lane, a 15 foot wide
Category IV Landscape Buffer will be planted and
maintained along the northern boundary and a 50 foot
wide landscaped and treed buffer will be planted and
maintained along the eastern boundary of the property as
depicted on the Concept Plan.
Staff Evaluation: This proffer aids in reducing the negative visual impacts
that this project will have on adjacent property. However,
the noise associated with the car wash facility may not be
fully or even sufficiently buffered by the addition of this
landscaping. The revised plan does increase the distance
between the edge of pavement for the drive aisles and the
eastern property line from 15 feet to approximately 55 feet.
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September 10, 2003
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Page 12
Evaluation of Request
The request to add one fueling station and to extend the fuel pump canopy (including
the relocation and addition of a second trash dumpster) is acceptable.
Staff is still concerned, however, that the scope of the car wash operation will negatively
impact the surrounding properties and that the open bay design that is necessitated by
the desire to operate a self-service, hand wash facility will be aesthetically inconsistent
with the design objectives for this corridor as expressed in the Comprehensive Plan
The transition from an automated car wash to a predominately hand wash facility
detracts from the applicant's ability to provide an attractive structure, as it will not fully
compliment the architecture of the existing convenience store. Staff has recommended
a condition that at a minimum the visible red columns throughout the structure be
wrapped or constructed with block that matches that of the existing convenience store.
The site is located within the Corporate Landing node of the General Booth Boulevard
Corridor. The Plan recommends that highest consideration be given to proposals that
go beyond the Design Standards for General Booth Boulevard.
• The Site Design Guidelines require existing natural characteristics of the site be
identified and considered during design and building placement. Unfortunately,
due to the size of the proposed facility, tree preservation was not considered,
however, a 50 foot wide landscaped and treed buffer will be planted and
maintained along the eastern boundary of the property. This increases the
distance between the edge of pavement for the drive aisles and the eastern
property line from 15 feet to approximately 55 feet.
• The Guidelines also recommend that specific attention be given to buffering to
protect the adjacent residential neighborhood from objectionable noise from the
proposed use. The existing stormwater facility and wooded area to the east does
provide a visual buffer but it is uncertain as to how effective this vegetation will be
in muffling noise associated with the proposed car wash Again, additional
plantings are proposed which will aid in buffering the noise.
• Site lighting within the Corporate Landing node should be complementary to the
style of lighting fixtures to be used at Corporate Landing. The lighting as shown
in the submitted photographs does not depict acceptable lighting fixtures.
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• Signs within the Corporate Landing Node should be externally illuminated and as
described with the design standards.
• Colors should be less intense than those shown on the proposed elevation and
photographs. An attempt should be made to better blend the design with the
convenience store. A condition to this use permit is recommended to, at least in
part, accomplish this recommendation.
It should be noted that the current use is not consistent with the Comprehensive Plan's
recommendations for this site and is inconsistent with the objectives for the General
Booth Boulevard Corridor as expressed in the Comprehensive Plan. The General Booth
Boulevard Corridor section of the Plan indicates on Map 2 that this property is suitable
for neighborhood office. The site, however, was rezoned in 1993, and the use does
exist. The business has proved to be, at its current scope and architectural and site
design, a good neighborhood -oriented use. The previous 1993 change of zoning even
included a multi -bay car wash, but at a smaller scale and different design. That multi -
bay wash was reconsidered and the single -bay automated facility now in place was
constructed instead. Staff notes that the applicant has scaled back the scope of the
operation from ten (10) bays to eight (8), but staff remains concerned that the proposed
replacement of the existing single -bay car wash with an eight (8) bay self -serve car
wash and a dual automated car wash create an overall use for this site that goes
beyond that associated with neigh borhood-onented uses.
It is also probable that the addition of this operation to the existing commercial uses at
this corner could contribute to additional commercialization of the properties to the
north, resulting in the strip commercial land use that the General Booth Boulevard
Corridor policies of the Comprehensive Plan are intended to prevent.
As previously noted, Staff finds the addition of one (1) fuel pump and the extension of
the canopy over the gas pumps to be acceptable. While Staff concludes that the
proposed car wash facility is not the Comprehensive Plan's desired use of this property,
modifications to the size and improvements to the architecture (as suggested in the
conditions below) to tie the two buildings together significantly improve the application.
Staff, therefore, recommends approval of this Change of Zoning, Modification of
Conditions, and Conditional Use Permit with the following conditions.
Conditions
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Page 14
1. No more than eight (8) self -serve car wash bays and no more than two (2)
automated car wash bays shall be permitted on the site.
2. An elevation of the proposed automated and self wash structure shall be
submitted to the Planning Department during final site plan review. The color of
the metal standing seam roof, all visible interior supports and any other accent
features depicted as red, shall be changed to an earth tone color approved by
the Planning Director.
3. Streetscape landscaping shall be installed along the General Booth Boulevard
frontage for the parcel identified on the conceptual site plan as GPIN 2415-31-
6485. This landscaping shall utilize the same species as that on the existing
commercial site to the south.
4. All interior property lines shall be vacated prior to the issuance of a Certificate of
Occupancy.
5. The final Landscape Plan shall include the species, caliper (measured a breast
height), number and location of all existing trees greater than 10 inches in
diameter to remain as well as the species, caliper, number and location of all
proposed trees within the area identified as "wooded area" on the Conceptual
Site Plan. Trees within the wooded area shall be at least 50 percent evergreen,
2 '/2 inches in caliper at the time of planting and shall be of a species and at a
spacing acceptable to the Planning Department.
6. In addition to the plant material depicted on the site plan within the "landscape
area" to the west of the proposed car wash structure, Category I landscaping
shall be installed along the entire northern foundation of the automated wash
structure.
7. A Lighting Plan and/or a Photometric Diagram Plan shall be submitted during
final site plan review. Said plan shall include the location of all pole mounted and
building mounted lighting fixtures, direction of light, and the listing of lamp type,
wattage, and type of fixture. Where lighting fixtures are installed along streets, in
parking areas, or on the building for illumination purposes, all fixtures shall be of
appropriate height and design to prevent any direct reflection and/or glare toward
adjacent uses and city streets. Said lighting fixtures shall be consistent with the
recommendations for the Design Standards for General Booth Boulevard as
described in the Comprehensive Plan and a depiction of the proposed fixtures
shall be included within the Lighting Plan. Lighting shall be directed down at the
ground, and not out horizontally or up in the air. Any lighting located on the back
of the building(s) must use appropriate shielding/screening in order to direct light
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DISCLOSURE STATEMENT 11
Applicant's Name _ Malbon Bros. Petroleum, L_L.0. _________�_____
List All Current
Property Owners _ Same As Applicant
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach list
if necessary)
Michael S. Malbon, Man�ng_Member
Mark M. Malbon, Member
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization
If the applicant is not the current owner of the property, complete the Applicant Disclosure
section below:
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below.
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach list
if necessary)
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization
CERTIFICATION: I certify that the information contained herein is true
and accurate.
Malbon Bros. Petroleum, L.L.C.
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Signature
Conditional Rezoning Application
Page 14 of 14
Michael S. Malbon, Managing_
Print Name ��ember
Planning Commission Agenda
September 10, 2003
MALBON BROS. PETRO. / # 21, 22, & 23
Page 22
DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
Applicant's Name: Malbon Bros. Petroleum, L. L.C._
List All Current
Property Owners.
Same As Applicant
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach list
if necessary)
Michael S. Malbon, Managing Member
'dark M. Malbon, Member
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization
If the applicant is not the current owner of the property, complete the Applicant Disclosure
section below:
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below
(Attach list if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach list
if necessary)
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
CERTIFICATION 1 certify that the information contained herein is true
and accurate.
Malbon Bros. Petroleums, L.L.C.
gB_t/�_ Michael S. Malbon, Mana�in—
Signature Print Name _� Member
Conditional Use Permit Application
Page 8 of 12
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September 10, 2003
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Page 23
Item # 10, 11 & 12
Malbon Bros. Petroleum, L.L.0
Change of Zoning District Classification
Conditional Use Permit
Modification of Conditions
Northeast corner of General Boulevard and Culver Lane
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Robert Miller: The next item is Items #105 11 & 12, Malbon Bros. Petroleum, L.L.C.
Eddie Bourdon: I can confirm that Mr. Nutter's clients on that last application were very
much gentlemen and worked very diligently to get a good entrance set up that would
work for them and would work for the project. I've got handouts for everyone. I've got
more than enough. This is an application for Malbon Bros. Petroleum and Mike and
Mark Malbon are both here today. The application involves numerous pieces of property
actually at the corner of Culver Lane and General Booth Boulevard. The Malbon
Brothers a number of years ago assembled three pieces of property and came forward and
it was a fairly lengthy process. They went through a lot of iterations and got approval in
1993 and I'm giving you and the staff an evaluation from the application that was
initially approved as well as the staff s evaluation of a later modification to that original
approved plan. Anyway, the assemblage on the corner of three parcels was approved for
the facility that you see there today. The Malbon Bros. Citgo. Now this piece of
property to the north, which is zoned agriculture They have acquired that property.
Some of you may recall that property along with the piece adjacent to it was the subject
of an application for a self -storage facility a number of years ago that was eventually
turned down. So, this piece of property, 32,000 plus square feet zoned agriculture has no
agricultural use on it. I don't think that Mr. Knight wants to put any hogs there or nor do
I think Mr. Horsley plans on cultivating it and raising grain on it. So, what are we going
to do with it? The Malbon's have acquired it. One of the Comprehensive Plan
recommendations is for this area is that smaller parcels be assembled, which they been
diligently doing for a number of years. Just as an aside, this little piece of property is
zoned B-1 A, where there is an approved proffered plan for an office building. They've
also acquired that piece of property. It's not a part of this in any way and they intend to
develop that property in accordance with its proffered zoning. There may be some small
modifications to the office building but that had a curb cut on Culver Lane and that curb
cut on Culver Lane will be eliminated. They will be using the same internal circulation
that they have on this property today, which with this application is not changing.
Another significant benefit is the driveway on this AG piece will go away With the
assemblage adding this piece of property to their parcel it is not the subject of the proffers
that this piece is so we had to modify the proffers that is before as well as rezone the
property in order to incorporate it into the project from AG-2 to B-2. In addition, there's
a Conditional Use Permit for gasoline sales and car wash. The Conditional Use Permit
Item # 10, 11 & 12
Malbon Bros. Petroleum L.L.0
Page 2
for gasoline sales doesn't affect this piece but the car wash does so we're modifying the
conditions to the Conditional Use Permit as well. So, somewhat complicated but really
not that complicated this set of circumstances. The Malbon's were born in this
community, raised in this community and live in this community. And, I'm talking about
this community not the whole City of Virginia Beach. It's a family owned business.
They take great pride in the business. I think anyone who has visited the business is
certainly sold on the fact that it is an asset to this part of Virginia Beach. The General
Booth Boulevard corridor is, I think, one of the more attractive corridors in the City and
we have a lot of them, a lot of very attractive commercial businesses in this corridor.
And, without fear of contradiction they have by far the nicest gas station in this area of
the City of Virginia Beach in terms of its appearance. They have won awards. They
have been given an award by Citgo for the best kept station in the State of Virginia and
The Virginia Beach Clean Community Commission has awarded them their "Litter Free"
award because they police their property so well. Their landscaping is very well
maintained. The Malbon's also support the community in which they live and which
they were raised. They contribute money to Virginia Beach Little Leagues as well as
time and effort, Virginia Beach Soccer Club, Ocean Lakes High School, Kellam High
School, their booster clubs and their sports teams. Princess Anne Middle School. The
Junior Olympic Volleyball Team from Virginia Beach and numerous other community
groups and chanties have benefited by their generosity over the years. They are truly a
very successful neighborhood oriented business. At the time this was originally approved
there was some neighborhood opposition. Glenn Tanner of the Coalition of Civic
Leagues opposed this application way back in the early 90s. We've met with them on
this time around and all that we heard was kudos and praise. This facility has been what
we said it would be about 11-12 years ago and that is an asset to this part of General
Booth Boulevard. The proposal today as I've said involves and if you put the site plan up
there. It involves adding this piece of property and in doing so we are seeking to expand
the car wash, add one gasoline pump. In 1993, the original approved plan actually had
six gasoline pumps. In 1994, we came back with a modification, which you have there
with you. We decreased the gasoline pumps and it's interesting and I've got the plan and
I need to get this plan back. But, this is the approved plan for 1994 which shows the car
wash which at that time was a four bay car wash and it was a split face block and I'll just
simply pass it around and let you all take a look at it and you can make your own
judgments. Anyway, that wasn't what was actually built and what was actually built is
far, far more attractive than what was approved and even though Mr Scott took a little bit
of slack if I recall back at the time from a few folks, I think history has borne out that the
changes from that plan to what's on the ground now were significant improvements over
the plan that was approved. And, that plan was recommended for approval, the one I'm
passing around by staff. What we got today are two automated car wash facilities, which
are generally in the same location where the current car wash is located. And, we got the
bays for the self -serve car wash there. There is with this application and you got a
rendering of the building. These bays unlike what you see there is the state of the art. The
newest innovation and that there are the heavy hard acrylic that will provide complete
visibility. And, that visibility translates into safety and better policing. When you got
those solid walls that you see in some of these older self -serve car washes, you have blind
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spots on a lot of them. And, they tend to discourage some members of society from using
these and would otherwise do so because they feel somewhat unsafe. These are safe and
that's why they are very popular and that's why they have been well received in the
marketplace because there is that visibility that is not present with the old block style of
car wash. Relocate this automated car wash towards General Booth Boulevard and away
from any residential. Culver Quay to our east was developed after the original facility
that's there now was developed and you see homes along here. The closest home to this
facility will be located over 200 feet from our proposed facility. Most of the landscaping
that is there now and all the landscaping along the northern boundary was all put in by
my clients. They will do the same excellent landscaping of this property as well. We've
got a lot of interior onsite landscaping. The car wash is setback from General Booth
Boulevard. There is very little visibility for the car wash from General Booth Boulevard.
One of the issues that is not even addressed that I think is important is that we requested
no signage for this car wash. The signage that we'll use is the same signage that is on the
site today. On page 10 of the evaluation where they review our proffers, I found it
interesting that on proffer number two, the third line from the bottom of the staff
evaluation says that "the open bay design is not consistent with the design directives for
General Booth Boulevard as expressed in the Comprehensive Plan." It's the four -open
bay car wash that was approved. It was not recommended for denial by the staff back in
1994, which in fact, it was recommended for approval. So, I found that somewhat
inconsistent.
Ronald Ripley: You've run out of time.
Eddie Bourdon: Okay. I'll be happy to answer any questions
Ronald Ripley: I'm sure were going to have questions. Questions? I think you point out
a pretty good point about the safety. I've never really thought about that. That's
something that's a positive for sure. Can you address and staff is suggesting in their
write up and it says basically by adding the additional gas station seems to be appropriate
but going along with the size of the car wash is a little bit over powering. And, that's
what we would like for you to address. That's the objection here as I see it. And, along
with that it's expanding the site. The project right now is a very nice looking project, a
real asset to the area. I don't disagree at all with the quality of your developers. You've
got a really good package here. The problem is the size and that's what you need to
address.
Eddie Bourdon: I appreciate the acknowledgement of the safety issue because it truly is
something that's appropriate for ladies. In the market analysis, they intend to be
concerned more so with safety and that is a big segment of the car wash market. And,
that's why these are very popular. As far as the size, the parcel that exists today, the
assemblage that exists today is 2 acres in size. In the original write up it's 2.2 but with
dedications and all it's actually 2 acres We're adding basically three quarters of an acre
to it. And, all that were gaining by that is the car wash facility. And, when you look at it
in that light there's not a great deal of utilization that is being gained for that significant
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piece of property. There will be an office building here and that's already approved. It
would be proffered B-1A zoning and we will be eliminating a curb cut but there will be
an office building here. We've got the convenience store out here and the gas pumps. If
you just look at the relationships there is very little visibility that this facility is going to
have, in terms of that, is the concern that fairly my clients aren't desirous of doing
anything to detract from a very attractive facility It would be inconsistent with all they
have done over the course of the last twelve years. We believe it's an attractive facility.
We've gone and looked at them. We've invited Glen Tanner and some of the people who
came to that meeting to go and look at the facility up in Fredericksburg. Again, we've
heard nothing back from them of the negative comments. Everything that we've heard
was positive. I do understand that there's opposition from some of the residents on
Culver Quay. We have their letter and will be happy to address some of those concerns.
We don't agree with the staff in terms of their concern that it is too large. However,
we're not intransient on that. We will, and I heard you all this morning and I've
communicated to my clients some of your concerns and we're not sitting up here with
blinders on and with our hands on our ears. But, we don't agree with that part of the
staffs evaluation. I intend to agree with your analysis Mr. Ripley. I think the staff's
concern is with the number of bays or the size of the car wash. We're not in agreement
but we will listen to the comments that we hear today. And, we want to hear from the
people who come.
Ronald Ripley: Mr. Din has a question.
William Din: There were several things that staff wrote up in the evaluation of a request.
I guess the design. I didn't here you address any of those. The tree preservation not
considered, the noise situation. I guess the acceptable lighting fixtures.
Eddie Bourdon: Which one do you want to start with?
William Din: Tree preservation.
Eddie Bourdon: Well, the trees that are on the site. There are trees all along here that we
planted. There are some trees where our BMP is and those trees will be taken out with
this project. That's going to happen. We will plant additional trees and maintain them as
we planted trees throughout the site when it was originally developed. And we did plant
trees in the area around the BMP. We will do the same here. We have no aversion to
planting large trees, relatively larges trees and to maintaining those. We've got
landscaping here. More than what you normally see. We've got a significant landscaped
area here adjacent to General Booth Boulevard where we would be planting trees as well
as bushes and shrubs. There will be some trees that will go the entire road that we plant
them along here to make this assemblage work. That obvious row of trees is going to go
but they will be replaced by a row of trees over here on the north.
William Din: So your buffer zone there is a minimum buffer9
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Eddie Bourdon: Yeah. Fifteen feet here that's required here Here it's not required but
were planting it anyway We see this property to the north being part of an assemblage
with the AA Team that's north of us. What we have here is a buffer that exists in that
BMP for Culver Quay, is located right here, which is also a buffer that exists and so it is
not as if we're sitting up against someone's backyard and their back fence. It is part of
the property but its encumbered by the easement for the storm water management facility
and that's a natural buffer. As far as plantings in here and if you look what's there and
that's all stuff that we planted. And, I think it's an absolutely fantastic screen and will do
the same thing here and another one up here on the north. It isn't from day one what's
going to be there today but it doesn't take long. That kind of material grows very
quickly. I think that you asked about the design of the car wash itself or the style of the
car wash itself. You approved the same car wash in terms of its design. I do understand
that it's a different part of the City, Independence Boulevard versus General Booth
Boulevard but it is an attractive car wash. We have matched the color and it matches the
color on the canopy of the gas pumps. We are using the same material where we
obviously don't have the acrylic glass on the convenience store but we are matching the
brick that matches the convenience store. So, it's our intent and clearly from the history
on what we would do we will make sure it is an attractive addition to the site and one that
matches one that is already there. But, the design of the car wash versus doing a split face
block car wash with brick is something that is not current in the market place and frankly,
it does have negative connotations to some people because of the blind spots in the lack
of visibility. Was there another question?
William Din: It talks about muffling of the noise associated with the car wash.
Eddie Bourdon: The principal noise generator is the automated car wash, which we have
flipped and moved closest to General Booth Boulevard. The trees and the existing
vegetation all will muffle noise but these facilities don't really generate noise unless you
let somebody play their boom box at high decibel levels and they're not going to let that
take place. They haven't allowed that to take place to date and there will be someone on
site 24-7 and there is management and it is community management. This isn't
something that the corporation in Texas hired. It's a family run business. They survive
and they thrive off of the business from the people in the community.
William Din: Yeah, I think what you currently have there is a smaller size car wash and
a convenience store. Right now you're expanding it?
Eddie Bourdon. The car wash.
William Din: Right, the car wash expands the entire site. One other thing that I would
like to address is the light around the existing gas canopies. I noted on the van trip that
when you look at that there is a lot of glare coming off of there When you add this new
pump island to it and you're going to add additional canopy to it, there is a possibility
that you could take a look at maybe restricting the lighting so that it just goes down
instead of going out.
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Eddie Bourdon- That was brought up by staff from day one and it was brought to me by
clients from day one and Glen Tanner and his group and my clients are well aware that
their lighting is going to have to be modified.
William Din: Do you think?
Eddie Bourdon: I think its proffer number one.
William Din: Is that proffer number one?
Eddie Bourdon: I believe that it is if I'm not mistaken.
Eugene Crabtree: Yes.
William Din: Thank you.
Eddie Bourdon: It's a point and I didn't mean to be dismissive. It's one that we all
understand that the lighting will be changed.
Ronald Ripley: So, you'll recess the lights up into the canopy so it's not glaring out?
Eddie Bourdon: The glare is really from the lights that are mounted on the building that
actually go sideways.
Ronald Ripley: Charlie Salle', do you have a question?
Charles Salle': Yes. I had a question about the light too. And, I understand that you
proffered and I saw that it was a standard proffer although and I'm not sure the
architectural feature of this facility. The one's that we have pictures of show the roof
being open and the light penetration.
Eddie Bourdon: The lighting inside is all pointed downward.
Charlie Salle': If you look at the picture of the facility that was given to us it shows what
looks like the roof is also made of acrylic so that the light shines through the roof.
Eddie Bourdon: But the lights aren't pointed up to the roof The lights are directed
downward. You will see some light but it's not like it's going to spill over. And, I know
we have some pictures on this one on Kempshire of the facility at night. Now what your
seeing there and what you may be seeing, these are the lights on the vacuums. If you
look at the lighting on the roof, there's no spillage or glare there. These are the lights on
the vacuums. You may believe that's light coming through the roof but it is not. This is
the light on top of the vacuum. This one for some reason and I don't know why that
picture and maybe that light is not directed properly but the lighting coming from the roof
is very, very little
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Charlie Salle': I've never seen one of these facilities. And, I guess with all those clear
walls and you know with the light inside and how that lighting is actually going to be
directed, I'm not quite sure how you do that
Eddie Bourdon: On top of the light there is basically a muffle so that light is directed
downward. I'm going to have Chris Giroux if you don't mind come up and he can speak
a little bit about that. He's the gentleman doing the one that was on consent for
Kempshire.
Chris Giroux: My name is Chris Giroux. And, I represent the product. I'm also a
resident of Virginia Beach. And, I'm also one of the managing partners of Kempshire
LLC that we're going to be doing a project on S. Independence. On this particular
project the lighting on the vacuum islands, the owner actually has three 1,000-watt lights
on each one of his vacuum islands. That is probably what's showing a lot of extra light
there. That's over kill on their facility. On my facility were not planning on putting that
type of lighting on back of the island to that extent. And, that's probably where you're
seeing a lot of that extra light. The glass walls, in having the lights in the car wash bay, is
very important to the consumers feeling of safety. The majority of self-service
throughout Tidewater and most other communities, they're all brick buildings and if you
ever get a chance to drive by these facilities at night, you will typically not see a woman
at this facility and typically you won't see anyone over maybe the age of 25. These
people typically just stay away at night. The type of facility that we're trying to develop
and bring to develop and bring to Virginia Beach by having the glass walls when
someone is at their car and look to their left and look to their right, they know who's four
or five bays away from them. They are not concerned about someone coming around the
wall and causing a problem or anything of that sort. And, the light in each one of the
bays is very important to giving that safety feature and feeling safe There's also on their
facility and on my facility, there is a visibility of surveillance around the facility, like
there is a camera there and on every one of the vacuum hoses, there are cameras that face
the self-service bays. And, most of the self-service car washes even here in Virginia
Beach don't do that and that's something we want the people of Virginia Beach that want
to wash their cars to feel free to wash their cars when it's more convenient for them and
that typically isn't during the days when most everyone's working but in the evening
times.
Ronald Ripley Dot Wood has a question.
Dorothy Wood: Mr. Giroux, you mentioned that the building was glass. I'm sorry.
Charlie Salle': I guess you sort of touched on that. I had another question. Has there
been any consideration to limiting the hours of business. That would be a question for
Eddie.
Eddie Bourdon The facility is opened 24-7 as it is today. And, there will be somebody
there 24-7 managing the facility. But, we have not given consideration to that We don't
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feel that it's necessary because we're convinced that there would be no interruption or
noise or nuisance but we don't have problem if you wanted to put someone to monitor
that or have it reviewed for a specific period of time to make sure that is not the case.
We're willing to look at something like that. We don't foresee it to be an issue there with
regard to hours of operation.
Charlie Salle': I guess you somewhat addressed it and I guess some of us or maybe with
all of us, the project is viewed to us in the size that you've shown it gives me some
concern. I know the traffic count goes up from 1200 to 2600. It appears to be a rather
large impact based on that. Is there any consideration for maybe eliminating some of the
bays?
Eddie Bourdon: I note that the traffic numbers and I found those somewhat high and
from a business standpoint that would be great. We don't think that is going to be quite
that good. But on a Saturday, the line has extended to Culver Lane to get a car wash
there after a storm event in the winter. That car wash that is there now is very, very, very
well utilized. There are lines cued up to that car wash on a regular basis. So, it is well
utilized and we expect this will produce additional utilization but it is principally from
people in that area. A lot of the traffic is generated from all of the thousands of homes
east of General Booth Boulevard, not all traffic that is going to be on General Booth
Boulevard.
Dorothy Wood: Mr. Giroux, I noticed that you didn't mention it was a glass building. Is
this glass or is it acrylic?
Chris Giroux: It's part acrylic and its tempered glass on the walls between the self-
service bays and on the automatic.
Dorothy Wood: Yes, that's what I meant right there. Is that glass or acrylic?
Chris Giroux: Here is glass, its tempered glass. Then up here its acrylic and roof is
acrylic as well. And, the reason for having it up there is because if you had glass up
there, where the lights are would cause too much of a glare outside the building. So,
having acrylic there will help defuse the light and keep it in the building.
Dorothy Wood: Is this an acrylic with scratches
Chris Giroux: No.
Dorothy Wood: Because I've noticed a lot of acrylic buildings that you see have a lot of
scratches there
Chris Giroux: I mean, up on the topside of the buildings there's nothing that's going to
be touching the side.
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Dorothy Wood: Thank you so much. Mr. Bourdon?
Eddie Bourdon: The acrylics on the top there's nothing there to cause them to get
scratches. Acrylics will scratch but that is why you have the glass on the lower levels.
Dorothy Wood: Your clients have a wonderful reputation and it's a very attractive
building but some of us have a concern with the size and the number of bays. Would you
be willing to defer this and come back at another time to work on the number from going
from 10 to some lesser number?
Eddie Bourdon: We would be willing to consider that but I think there are some other
speakers here. I don't want to get out in front.
Dorothy Wood: Would you think about that while we have other speakers9
Eddie Bourdon: Yes.
Dorothy Wood: Thank you.
Robert Miller: We have speakers in opposition. Robert Griffin.
Brian Teabout- He went to the bathroom.
Robert Miller: Okay. Brian Teabout.
Bryan Teabout: Hi. I'm Brian Teabout. I live at 1825 Culver Quay, which is right there.
Basically, I was contacted by Mr. Malbon and he gave me a set of plans with some
pictures I showed them to the neighbors. Mr. Griffin and his wife and myself kind of
put together a letter and took it around to all the neighbors just on my street. I showed
them this letter. I showed them the plans and almost every house was in opposition to it.
There's one house that's being rented out and I don't know where the owners are
currently but I was not able to get a hold of the renters so there signature is not on here. I
believe you guys probably a copy of this. I've got two more signatures since then and
basically I don't want this in my backyard. It's pretty much right up on the property line.
There is a buffer in the BMP area I guess but it's got trees and stuff in there now but you
I can imagine that can be cleaned out at any time Anybody could come through and take
the trees out and if they decided that it needed to be cleaned out. I lived here all my life
also in this City. I just think this thing is kind of big and it's a little much and there's
going to be a lot of noise. Basically, the same thing that we have in the letter here that we
really like to ask for is would be limited hours of operation, attendant on duty for all
hours of operation not to include the attendant at the gas station or the store. Someone
separate so they are keeping an eye on the car wash. Like I said, we don't want it but if it
has to come about this is what we would like. We also would like to have signs posted
concerning the noise and things like that. Downsizing the amount of the car wash bays,
larger set back from property lines, installing a sound barrier type wall and maximizing
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the sizes of the Leyland Cypress trees at the time of planting. And, I've got nine
signatures out of the 11 people on the streets and I only talked to ten of the 11. And one
said they would think about it after they read it and I didn't speak to them until probably
about 6:00 p.m. last night. So, I don't think they knew that I needed the signature right
away. Any questions?
Ronald Ripley: Any questions?
Barry Knight: I have one. Mr. Teabout, when did you move into your property?
Bryan Teabout: I believe it was 1998.
Barry Knight: 1998. Was the gas station and car wash already there?
Bryan Teabout: Yes.
Barry Knight: You checked it out and checked the noise and checked the buffer zone as
it is right now, you knew what you were getting into?
Bryan Teabout: Yes, as it is right now. Yes I did. And, they're not bad neighbors.
There is noise that comes out of there but I knew what I was getting into when I got there
There wasn't a ten bay self-service car wash. Are there any more questions?
Donald Horsley: I have a question. If you were to limit the hours what time would you
limit them?
Bryan Teabout: I don't know. None of them are good. He mentioned there's a 200-foot
set back from the closest house and I come out of the house sometimes to go into the
backyard. Noise is our biggest concern. As far as the hours, I don't know. I couldn't say,
8:00 a.m. — 8:00 p.m. I don't know. I just don't want it. I'm just here to speak my
opinion. Like I said, I have two more signatures other than what you guys have. If you
guys would like to see it, I have the original here. Would you like for me to pass it
around?
Ronald Ripley: You can hang on to the original.
Bryan Teabout: This is the only one that has the other two signatures, is what I'm saying.
I could pass it to you.
Ronald Ripley: Any other questions?
Robert Miller: Robert Griffin is the next speaker
Ronald Ripley: We'll get this back too.
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Robert Griffin: Excuse my appearance. My name is Robert Griffin. I live at 1821,
which if you can change that to show my property. Right here. I have the closest house
to what he said was 200 feet from the house, which is actually about 90 feet from my
backyard is where his bays would go. Last night at 11:30 my six year -old daughter was
woken up by the thumping of music, because it's her window that faces right there in her
bedroom. And, I totally oppose it and I have nothing against these guys are in business
and I'm a businessman myself. It's too large and I would like to see it move completely
near General Booth Boulevard instead of backing up to my house. When I moved in
there, no, I didn't check out that noise level that would be something that would hit me
later. I looked at the house during the day, bought the house the same day I looked at it
and I was hit with that later on. Now to get hit with this would probably force me to
move and that is not what I'm looking to do. I chose that neighborhood because it was a
quite neighborhood dead end street. One of the other things to and that is cars spin out of
there. I been made aware that going through car washes but they come spinning out
there. They have the wet tires. The guy mentioned people using it under the age of 25 is
usually what you see going through there and they will come spinning out of there
because their tires are wet. And, there's nobody that can control the noise decibel level
and the base stomping of the cars and the radios. When I'm having dinner and hearing
this and I'm about ready to move behind it. That's where I stand if anybody has any
questions.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any questions? Thank you very much.
Robert Griffin: Thank you.
Robert Miller. That's all the speakers.
Ronald Ripley: Mr. Bourdon, that's it. Would you like to come back?
Eddie Bourdon: The list that Mr. Bryan passed out that's in their letter We do have
someone duty 24-7 now and take issue the assertion that we're allowing people to play
their radios loud. People talk about the City of Virginia Beach with their radios playing
loud but we do monitor that very, very carefully and do tell people to turn it off or leave
if they do have their radios on at any decibel level at all. With this facility as Chris has
already indicated to you, there will be video cameras and those will be monitored the by
the manager on duty when the car wash is operating. It will be totally monitored but to
say that you want to send somebody to sit out there by the car wash as to opposed across
the parking lot with the cameras. They will be going out to policing but they will not be
sitting out there 24-7 but there will be an attendant on duty. Signs posted concerning
loud music is not a problem at all The 4 & 5 1 will address. We certainly believe that
putting up a buffer that exists today on our northern boundary will be sufficient as far as a
sound barrier. Given the ambient noise over from General Booth Boulevard traffic
anyway, a wall seems to me to be very much overkill. As far four and five downsizing
and larger set back. We are amenable at looking at possibly reducing the number of bays
to eight from ten. That would produce an additional 32 feet of buffer, I guess, which
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_ would address number five and bring the car wash at its closest point to 230 something
feet from the back of the nearest house behind our screening and the screening that
already exits If you've been to the site and seen it, you can't see it from these people's
backyard and you won't be able to see it from the yard. But if we were to do that, reduce
the number of bays, that unfortunately would necessitate a deferral or I guess we can go
forward and change it at Council, the proffers would have to be changed. The plan would
have to be changed. But, that's the best that we can really do.
Ronald Ripley: Yes, Don.
Donald Horsley: Can you put the site plan back up there? What is that block right above
those, that dark block? Right there.
Eddie Bourdon: That's just where the gas tanks are.
Donald Horsley: They're buried under that. The buffered area you got between the car
wash and the General Booth. You got a little question mark there, do you see any reason
why that couldn't be narrowed up a little bit to get a little bit further out? Just trying to
find ways to get it further away from those people.
Eddie Bourdon: The gas tank and the delivery of gas is an issue. We will look at that
and if there is any way, engineering wise to move this little a closer but I don't believe
there is. We were conscientiously looking to trying to do that already so I don't know if
there is anything that we can do in that respect. But we will certainly revisit that to see if
there is any way to push it forward an additional amount. But, if we would be talking
now if we do what we would agree to, we got 15 feet of buffer here now and actually
over here it's larger. And, we would be adding another 32 to that so you're talking 47-50
feet of buffer on top of the significant buffer that already exists.
Donald Horsley: So, what you're saying is you and your client would be amenable to a
30 day deferral to look at this with staff and cutting your number down and try to make
some concession there.
Eddie Bourdon: Yeah. We were willing to reduce by two the number of bays. You have
to have even numbers. So, we wind up having eight bays as opposed to ten bays and that
would produce additional buffer and enough to make a difference I guess.
Donald Horsley: I look at things different than some people. I looked at acreage this
morning. When you're adding three quarters of an acre with the expanding of this
amount compared to what already had there it really didn't seem that much out of whack
to me but there seems to be some concerns. I guess that would probably be our best bet
to get a consensus
Eddie Bourdon: My clients want to be good neighbors but at the same time there is a
significant investment here and it's an investment that is again, I think helping to remove
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an issue and a problem long term as far as the utilization of this property on General
Booth Boulevard in this particular section. I made this observation before but this being
some property that we're adding here to the north of us is property zoned A-18 and
another piece of property. One way or another it is going to be developed and I think
eventually it's going to be multi -family with the multi -family that's to the north of that.
This takes this piece out of that puzzle. But going beyond that to trying to acquire that
one last piece and it is a larger piece and it just doesn't make any real sense unless you
changed and came with a more commercial use retail or something like that so it really
doesn't make sense to my clients to go in that direction. But, it helps to again, to
assemble it into a larger parcel everything on that corner which makes a longer term
solution the best for the long term planning scenario instead of having this long narrow
piece of property that certainly is not agricultural. No reason to be used for agriculture.
Donald Horsley: I guess I'm probably the only person up here when this application
when it was first approved. I don't know if that says I'm good or bad about me, does it
Mr. Reed? He might have been here too. I'm not sure. But, I think the decision made at
that time was a good one and it's proven itself. I'd like to make sure we made the right
decision on this one.
Eddie Bourdon: I appreciate that.
Ronald Ripley: Barry Knight, then Charlie and then Dot.
Barry Knight: Eddie, Mr. Teabout had some concerns about the buffer zone on the
eastern side and the car bays and his house. He was saying that he had a concern that
maybe somebody could cut that buffer down at some time. Would you address that
please?
Eddie Bourdon: On our property it could not be cut down. It's proffered. It's part of the
Use Permit. We couldn't cut it down. Unless there was a disease situation and we had to
work with the City's Arbonst and the trees become diseased and to stop that from
spreading. I actually believe and maybe I misunderstood that he may have been talking
about the vegetation that already exists in this area here on their properties that are
subject to that easement and we don't have any control over what they do with that.
Barry Knight: I am sure they wouldn't cut their own buffer down.
Eddie Bourdon: We wouldn't be cutting ours down. We've spent a lot of money
planting these trees. It's a big expense and you certainly don't want to see them having
to be replaced.
Barry Knight. I just wanted to get that clear I had a few comments and I was trying to
insinuate some of the positives that I saw here today. And, I noted that probably you're
going to eliminate a curb cut if the Malbon's develop their office, which the City has a
hold on and I'm sure it would be glad if they didn't put another curb cut in and they used
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their own entrance that they're using now. Also, there are numerous comments when we
went on the van trip to tour this on how the landscaping is so great around there and how
they take so much pride in their facility. And, you've gone on record as saying that
you've won numerous awards there too so it wasn't just a one day event and it's ongoing
that they are trying to keep up with the litter and try to keep landscaping up. And, I
certainly know that they contribute a lot of time and money to the community and when
we were in there I couldn't address the sound banner but we certainly looked towards
Culver Quay and it certainly is a good site barrier. And, I don't think anyone has any
concerns about the site barrier. The site barrier is good and you could possibly put up
some additional site barriers there. It looks like it has limited visibility, the car wash with
the buffer, and it's screened from General Booth Boulevard. And, I'm certainly happy
with that. I think that falls in just fine. You've addressed concern about design as far as
the tempered glass and the acrylic. And, as far as the safety issue and we won't get any
more glare than what we would be accustomed to with your acrylic and the shrouds on
the lights coming down and the safety issue for the blind spots for some people. I
understand that. I also understand business and I know they have acquired three quarters
of an acre more property and they have to add value to the site they have to justify
spending the money for this extra three quarters of an acre. I don't have any problem
with that extra gas pump there or the car wash. I'm probably going to go out on a limb
and guess that the self -serve car wash won't create as much noise possibly as the car that
is there now that's located closer to the houses. Because I know that if you have moved
the two automatic car washes closer to the west of General Booth and I agree with you
and I have been by there many times and seen where the line is out to it's almost a traffic
hazard. There are so many people wanting to get in there to those automatic car washes.
So, I don't have a problem with that either. I do know they were approved for one
automatic and they want to add another automatic. That doesn't seem like a problem to
me. They were approved for four self -serve washes at one time and now with the
addition of this property they want to increase that by six more spaces I understand that
and I seem to think that probably it's going to be the consensus of this Commission to
downsize those extra six spaces. I hope that we can probably come to an agreement of
eight spaces moving those eight away from the property owners. Also, at the same time
look at moving all of the car washes to the west closer and I'm sure you will look at that
at the same time. I would be in support of this project based on that and I have a little
heartburn on the way it is now with the bays especially hearing my fellow
Commissioners. But, I would support it with the eight bays and looking at moving
everything a little bit closer to the west if it could be done.
Ronald Ripley: Thank you Barry. Charlie.
Charles Salle': Eddie, I had one question for you As far as the attendant goes I just
wanted clarify that is the attendant really the person in the food shop?
Eddie Bourdon- We have managers on duty and people working here 24-7 now. And,
that would continue to be the case. They have a lot that they monitor but we never have
just one person there. There are multiple people there when the store is open. I'm just
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making clear that we will have someone there 24-7. I understood and I think his name is
Bryan and I don't know the details but he wants us to have somebody sitting out here I
guess. We're not going to have a separate attendant here versus here although the people
who are working there will be out depending on weather, etc and volume of business at
that particular hour they will be out policing. They will go out there and issue a problem.
So, there will be someone there.
Charlie Salle' Is it usually open 24 hours a day. There is usually more than one person
working there?
Eddie Bourdon: Yes. You don't leave one person by themselves at night, it's just for
safety purposes to have multiple people.
Charlie Salle': Okay. And, the other thing looks like that this probably be deferred.
Eddie Bourdon: It will have to be because of the proffers.
Charlie Salle' • At that point, I'd like to see as part of the next conditions or proffers or
however you want to handle it probably as a condition that there would be a one year
review as to the hours of operation.
Ronald Ripley: Is that a motion?
Charlie Salle': I'll certainly make that motion.
Ronald Ripley: Mr. Bourdon, will that do if we could go to a deferral at this point?
Eddie Bourdon: Oh yes.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Charlie, do you want to conclude whatever you need in that
deferral?
Charlie Salle'. I would just move that it be deferred and I think that the items that we
talked about would be brought back in terms of how the application comes back to us the
next time
Ronald Ripley: Is that agreeable to everybody?
Dorothy Wood- I'll second that.
Ronald Ripley: A motion by Charlie Salle' to defer and seconded by Dot Wood. Any
discussions We'll call for the vote
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To whom It may concern,
We the residents of Culver Quay are In strong opposition of the proposed carwash
facility on the corner of General Booth Blvd. and Culver Lane. We are
greatly concerned about the amount of litter, crime, and noise that this type of
buisness will generate.
The noise from the existing buisness Is already bad, especially the loud music from
those using the existing carwash. The proposed carwash backs right up to
our property line. A much larger carwash, that will triple the amount of buisness
will surely decrease our quality of life.
Most of the homeowners on this street have small children and this type of
buisness so close to our property will surely Impact the safety of our otherwise
quiet, safe neighborhood.
In the event that this plan is approved, we would like to see the following things
considered for the preservation of our neighborhood and quality of life.
1) Limited hours of operation.
2) Attendant on duty for all hours of operation not to Include the attendant at
the gas station or the store.
3) Signs posted concerning the loud music generally played at this type of
buisness.
4) Downsizing the amount of carwash bays.
5) Larger setback from our property line and proposed facility.
6) Installing a sound barrier type wall and maximizing the size of the Leland
Cypress trees at time of planting.
Names and addresses of those in agreement:
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Change of Zoning District Classification
Conditional Use Permit
Modification of Conditions
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Robert Miller: The next items are Items #21, 22 & 23, Malbon Bros. Petroleum, L.L.C.
Ronald Ripley: Does anybody need a break here? Mr. Bourdon, I don't know how much
you want to go over this but you know that we were talking about this being on consent.
We do have any opposition here.
Eddie Bourdon: He spoke last month here.
Ronald Ripley: I think the issue that the Planning Commission had and we've heard this
pretty thoroughly last month and we were concerned about condition #2. I'm not telling
you not to but if you want to go through this thing again?
Eddie Bourdon: I wasn't planning on it. I was planning on being brief.
Ronald Ripley: Let's see what we can do to work that out.
Eddie Bourdon: Are you going to wait until everyone else gets back?
Ronald Ripley: That probably wouldn't be a bad idea, if you want to take a second?
Don't leave.
Eddie Bourdon: I'm not going to go anywhere.
Ronald Ripley: Do you want to get started?
Eddie Bourdon: Since last month, my clients, who are here this afternoon, made
modifications to the plan discussed this morning in your informal session that are
consistent with what we spoke of last month. What was the topic of discussion was
eliminating a couple of bays and in addition to that moving the car wash further to the
west, further away from our eastern boundary that we share the residential subdivision
and their BMP. As you were told this morning, the car wash facility is now 240 feet from
the nearest home and all that heavy vegetation on our property as well as that which is
associated with the BMP on the residential property is now totally being retained and not
going to be impacted at all so, I appreciate the willingness of the Commission to have this
Item #21, 22 & 23
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matter placed on the consent agenda. We unfortunately are not in a position to agree with
the one condition of the seven recommended by the staff that presents a problem, which
is condition #2. That condition involves and if you recall, this is the elevation and I know
these are pictures but frankly the pictures shows what the building itself looks like but it's
not what this one will look like because that's a different place. There were no
mechanical rooms and it's a different setup but it is the basic construction type. What
you've got here is a building that is mostly open. The portion that is not open is mostly
glass. The area that is not glass that you see is brick. That's the sides of the mechanical
rooms. There is a very small percentage of the total overall building that is the structure
itself. The makeup of the pillars that hold the building up and the metal roof sections,
again that is holding together the glass partitions that are in this case a red color that
match the Citgo color that is on the canopy. That represents, if you take the open area
into consideration where there would normally be a side of the building, you're talking
about 2-3 percent of the surface of the building and if you take out the openness and the
parts that's solid it maybe is as much as close as five percent. The vast majority of the
building is not anything other than beige or clear. We have no signage proposed for this
facility at all. The only ability to attract any attention to this facility is the small amount
and it is very small of red and it's not a fluorescent or bright red that is depicted. It is
what you see in the picture but again you have to picture that on this elevation and it's a
different building type in terms of its broken up by the architectural element that will be
again, tied in the same brick that exists on our convenience store. So, that's the only
issue. Correctly, what's in the write up, there's no way to wrap anything and I did see the
second proposed condition and I discussed that with my clients and they are not accepting
of that condition. They would like to build it as we have depicted it here. All the
elevations and put that together with the building type you see and that is what their
proposal is and that's the only area of disagreement that we have. And, it is set back
from General Booth Boulevard, back from Culver Lane. It's not right out on any road
and there is a significant amount of landscaping that surrounds that facility.
Ronald Ripley: Questions? Charlie.
Charlie Salle': Maybe I didn't understand exactly what you said. But are you saying that
you need the red element to be able draw attention to it?
Eddie Bourdon: I believe that element along with the tie in with the red on the canopy,
people will see it and that it is there. It's not like jumping out at anybody but at least if
you didn't have that their perspective is that you wouldn't even know it was even back
there.
Charlie Salle' It seems to me that this is more of a destination that people will know
about and that they just won't be riding by and they happen to see something catch their
eye
Eddie Bourdon: I don't totally disagree with that Charlie and your observation before
about drainage, I totally agree with but in this case there is a significant amount of traffic
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on General Booth Boulevard that passes the site and this is set back from General Booth
Boulevard and well landscaped and that will be the only way that someone will see that it
was back there on General Booth Boulevard. It's not like its jumping out at anybody
because it's just really accent when you get right down to it in terms of the building itself.
The amount that has the red on it is just the metal support items, which is a very small
percentage of the building itself in terms of the service area.
Ronald Ripley: Is the framing painted specialty or they just come in one or two colors?
Eddie Bourdon: My understanding and Mr. Giroux is not here, he would be the best
person to answer that question. My understanding is this is the way they are
manufactured. It's not painted on. It's manufactured. I do believe, because we don't
want it in blue and they said they can't manufacture it without knowing what color it
would be. They can do it in different colors. It's not only in red but it's not a situation
where you put up metal and paint it.
Ronald Ripley: Right. It comes baked on.
Eddie Bourdon: That's the correct term.
Ronald Ripley: And then it is an assembly type building.
Eddie Bourdon: That's correct.
Ronald Ripley: Yes, Will.
William Din: I don't object so much to the red color. I think more objectionable to me
was the lights underneath the canopy. When you drive by, there is so much glare coming
underneath those lights and I'll mention it again. I mentioned it before. I think when you
go and add these new fuel pumps in there, I think you ought to take a look at how you
shield those lights from glare from the roadway. When you drive down General Booth,
there is a lot of glare from those lights. Whether these column are red or not, I don't
think I have too much objection to that but I would rather you look at those lights and do
something with those. If anything, that would attract their attention.
Eddie Bourdon: Will, I think we agreed that's in the proffers and it's in condition #7
does the same thing. Staffs condition #7, I think that issue and I know my clients are
aware because I told them from day one that issue was going to be addressed and I am
absolutely certain that it is being addressed and they are aware that it is being addressed
with not only with the tentative proffers but also with condition #7
William Din: Does that address the lights under the canopy?
Eddie Bourdon: Yes, because this application is on the whole piece of property.
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William Din: Yes, I understand.
Eddie Bourdon: So, yes sir. I tried to make that clear last month and I certainly agree
with your point. We are well aware that the lighting situation is objectionable and will be
and must be addressed and corrected and we do think that is what's going on.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any other questions? We have a speaker.
Robert Miller: Bryan Teabout.
Bryan Teabout: Hi, how you doing? I'm Bryan Teabout. I live right behind these guys.
Ronald Ripley: We know where you live.
Bryan Teabout: I went around, like I told you last month, around to the neighbors and
got signatures and things like that. We necessarily don't want this but if we have to have
it then we still would like limited hours of operation with an attendant on duty for all
hours of operation not to include an attendant at the gas station or the store. Signs posted
concerning loud music. And, there are a few other concerns on here. I kind of agree with
the paint thing. I would prefer it to and I hadn't really thought about it before but red is a
little bright and I would rather be in earth tone type color. This is going to create a lot of
traffic or a lot more business up there. More cars. According to this piece of paper here
about 1415 cars per day, which are about 60-70 cars an hour. And this probably will be
quite busy at night. In these pictures here that are in here these were obviously taken at
night. The lights are on and there's a car in every bay, which is definitely going to create
noise and noise is probably one of the largest concerns that we have. Lights and some
crime would be secondary, I guess. I guess that's probably about it.
Ronald Ripley: Questions?
Dorothy Wood: Where did you come up with the number? I think Mr. Malbon would be
very happy if had 70 people an hour going into his car wash.
Bryan Teabout: This is the traffic.
Dorothy Wood: The traffic going by the site?
Bryan Teabout: Yeah. Traffic calculations. This says generated traffic. With existing
land use it's 11223 a day. Proposed land use would be 2,608 a day average daily trips.
Dorothy Wood: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any more questions? Thank you Mr. Bourdon.
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Page 5
Eddie Bourdon: The gentleman's comment about the traffic generation. I apologize, I
hadn't noticed. Somebody sent some miscalculations there because it's incredible that
you generate more than double the amount of traffic at the existing car wash, store and
gas station generates with a car wash. I think there is some error in that number. If we
could generate that kind of volume I hope you would all let me invest I don't think
that's going to be the case. The noise issue and where genuinely my client is, are
concerned, and are cognizant that we not be a nuisance on our neighbors and I think and
being honest and certainly this gentleman is to say that they have been doing that and I
did mention that last month. We will post signs. We will have someone there on duty
whenever the car wash is open. They will not be standing there at the car wash the whole
time. They may well be in the convenience store. If there are any problems we are
certain and we invite our neighbors to let us know of those problems. The ambient noise
level from General Booth Boulevard is going join or exceed the type of noise that will
take place here other than somebody with their boom box going and that is why we will
have signage up and we will definitely prohibit any loud playing of the music in this
facility. I went through the whole litany last month of the Malbon's connection to this
community. This is not a company owned store. This is their store. Their roots are here
not only in Virginia Beach but, in this part of Virginia Beach, and that's why the business
is so successful and I can assure this Commission and I'll assure City Council that they
will bend over backwards to make sure that they run this facility the way they run the
facility up to now and that is as a good neighbor and they will not allow it to become a
nuisance.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Thank you very much. Discussion? Barry.
Barry Knight: Lack of other discussion, we went through it all last month. And, the only
things that have changed are a couple of positives. And, if they're willing to move it
away from the houses, address the noise by signs and by moving it away, and as far as the
colors on the structure, it doesn't look like it's that intrusive because we do have so much
glass there, which I agree, is for a safety issue. I hadn't thought of it before but because
of the ladies and the younger people, you can see what they're doing right and you can
see what they're doing wrong. And, it is such a small percentage, maybe 2-3 percent
that's going to be red and maybe it may help attract a little bit of business. I certainly
don't have a problem supporting this. And if there is no other discussion, I'll make a form
of a motion that we approve this subject to proffers and conditions omitting condition #2.
Ronald Ripley: Can I ask for clarification? Are you suggesting omitting "shall be
changed to earth tone colors approved by the Planning Director at the end of the
sentence?"
Barry Knight: Yes
Ronald Ripley: Is that what you meant?
Barry Knight: Yes
Item #21, 22 & 23
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Ronald Ripley: Do I have a second? Seconded by Gene Crabtree. Discussion? Let's
call for the question.
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Ronald Ripley: In favor vote aye. By a vote of 9-0, the motion carries as amended.
That's it. The meeting is adjourned.
5. 3/22/94 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 to R-7.5 — Granted
10/13/92 — ZONING CHANGE from R-7 5 to P-1 — Granted
1/4/88 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 to A-2 — Withdrawn
10/8/84 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 to A-2 — Withdrawn
6. 1119/93 — RECONSIDERATION OF CONDITIONS — Granted
8/14/89 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 to 1-1 — Granted
3/ 27/89 ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 to H-1 — Withdrawn
9/26/88 — ZONING CHANGE from AG-2 to B-2 — Withdrawn
9/26/88 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (Auto Sales and Service) —
Withdrawn
7. 4/27/93 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (Automobile Service Station/Car
Wash) — Granted
8. 9/21/87 — CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (Day Care) — Denied
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DATE: October 16, 2003
DEPT: City Attorney
DEPT: City Attorney
The above -referenced conditional zoning application is scheduled to be heard by the
City Council on October 28, 2003. I have reviewed the subject proffer agreement, dated
April 24, 2003, and have determined it to be legally sufficient and in proper legal form. A
copy of the agreement is attached.
Please feel free to call me if you have any questions or wish to discuss this matter
further.
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Enclosure
PREPARED BY
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SECOND AMENDMENT TO PROFFERED COVENANTS, RESTRICTIONS AND
CONDITIONS
MALBON BROS. PETROLEUM, L.L C , a Virginia limited liability company
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CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, a municipal corporation of the Commonwealth of
Virginia
THIS AGREEMENT, made this 24th day of April, 2003, by and between
MALBON BROS. PETROLEUM, L.L C., a Virginia limited liability company, Property
Owner, herein referred to as Grantor; and THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, a
municipal corporation of the Commonwealth of Virginia, Grantee, party of the second
part.
WITNESSETH:
WHEREAS, Grantor is the owner of a certain parcel of property located in the
Princess Anne District of the City of Virginia Beach, containing approximately 32,294
square feet, designated "New Parcel" and described in Exhibit "A" attached hereto
and incorporated herein by this reference. Said New Parcel together with Parcels I, II
and III are hereinafter referred to as the "Property"; and
WHEREAS, Grantor is the owner of three (3) parcels of property ("Existing
Developed Property") located in the Princess Anne District of the City of Virginia
Beach, which together contain approximately 1.8 acres, being designated and
described as Parcels I, II and III in Exhibit "A". The Existing Developed Property
together with the New Parcel are hereinafter referred to as the "Property"; and
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WHEREAS, the Existing Developed Property is subject to "Proffered
Covenants, Restrictions and Conditions" dated March 16, 1993 accepted by the
Grantee and recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia
Beach, Virginia, in Deed Book 3208, at Page 1607, as previously modified by
"Amendment of Covenants, Restrictions and Conditions ... ", dated May 31, 1994,
1 accepted by Grantee and recorded in the aforesaid Clerk's Office in Deed Book 3435, I
at Page 0802; and
WHEREAS, the Grantor has initiated a conditional amendment to the Zoning
Map of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, by petition addressed to the Grantee so
as to change the zoning classification of the New Parcel from AG-2 Agricultural
District to B-2 Community Business District; and
WHEREAS, the Grantor has initiated a conditional amendment to the Zoning
Map of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, by petition addressed to the Grantee so
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as to modify, in part, the previously proffered Covenants, Restrictions and
Conditions governing development of the Existing Developed Property; and
WHEREAS, the Grantor has requested that the Grantee accept this Second
Amendment To Proffered Covenants, Restrictions and Conditions which modifies and
restates certain reasonable conditions governing the use of the Property for the
protection of the community that are not generally applicable to land similarly zoned;
and
WHEREAS, the Grantor has voluntarily proffered, in writing, in advance of
and prior to the public hearing before the Grantee, the following amended and
restated conditions and restrictions which shall restrict and govern the physical
development, operation and use of the Property, to be incorporated as a part of the
previously adopted amendment to the Zoning Map.
NOW, THEREFORE, the Grantor, its successors, personal representatives,
assigns, grantees, and other successors in title or interest, voluntarily and without
any requirement by or exaction from the Grantee or its governing body and without j
any element of compulsion or quid pro quo for zoning, rezoning, site plan, building
permit, or subdivision approval, hereby makes the following amended and modified
declaration of conditions, covenants, restrictions as to the physical development,
operation, and use of the Property and hereby covenants and agrees that this
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declaration shall constitute covenants running with the Property, which shall be
binding upon the Property and upon all parties and persons claiming under or
through the Grantor, its successors, personal representatives, assigns, grantees, and
other successors in interest or title:
1. All exterior lighting on the Property shall be directed downward and
shielded to direct light and glare away from all adjoining property.
2. When the Property is redeveloped, it will be substantially in accordance
with the "Conceptual Site Plan of Conditional Rezoning and Use Permit For Malbon
Bros. Citgo Expansion ...," dated 12/ 13/02, rev. 4/30/03, rev. 7/9/03, rev
8/ 19/03 prepared by John E. Sirme & Associates, Ltd., which has been exhibited to
the Virginia Beach City Council and is on file with the Virginia Beach Planning
Department (the "Concept Plan").
3. The exterior design, materials and colors of the Existing Convenience
Store and Existing (expanded) Canopy depicted on the Concept Plan will remain
unchanged. The canopy will be expanded to accommodate one additional petroleum
dispensing station as depicted on the Concept Plan.
4. In accordance with the Concept Plan, the only businesses permitted to
operate on the Property are gasoline sales in conjunction with a convenience store
and a car wash facility.
5. Building materials used to construct visible exterior surfaces of the
structures depicted on the Concept Plan shall be primarily brick, metal, glass, plex-
glass, stucco or wood.
6. When the Property is redeveloped, the architectural features of the Car
Wash depicted on the Concept Plan shall be substantially in accordance with the
"ELEVATION OF MALBON BROTHERS CITGO EXPANSION", dated April 30, 2003,
prepared by Porterfield Design Center, which elevation has been exhibited to the
Virginia Beach City Council and is on file with the Virginia Beach Planning
Department (the "Car Wash Elevation").
7. Other than signage which may contain "trademark" colors and the
accent colors on the car wash facility depicted on the Car Wash Elevation, all other
structures depicted on the Concept Plan shall utilize earth tone color schemes
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8. In addition to maintaining the abundance of existing landscaping along
the Property's frontage on General Booth Boulevard and Culver Lane, a 15 foot wide
Category IV Landscape Buffer will be planted and maintained along the northern
boundary and a 50 foot wide landscaped and treed buffer will be planted and
maintained along of the eastern boundary of the property as depicted on the Concept
Plan.
9. Further conditions may be required by the Grantee during detailed Site
Plan and/or Subdivision review and administration of applicable City codes by all
cognizant City agencies and departments to meet all applicable City code
requirements. Any references hereinabove to the B-2 Zoning District and to the
requirements and regulations applicable thereto refer to the Zoning Ordinance and
Subdivision Ordinance of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, in force as of the date
of approval of this Agreement by City Council, which are by this reference
incorporated herein.
The above conditions, having been proffered by the Grantor and allowed and
accepted by the Grantee as part of the amendment to the Zoning Ordinance, shall
continue in full force and effect until a subsequent amendment changes the zoning
of the Property and specifically repeals such conditions. Such conditions shall
continue despite a subsequent amendment to the Zoning Ordinance even if the
subsequent amendment is part of a comprehensive implementation of a new or
substantially revised Zoning Ordinance until specifically repealed. The conditions,
however, may be repealed, amended, or varied by wntten instrument recorded in the
Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, and
executed by the record owner of the Property at the time or recordation of such
instrument, provided that said instrument 1s consented to by the Grantee in wasting
as evidenced by a certified copy of an ordinance or a resolution adopted by the
governing body of the Grantee, after a public hearing before the Grantee which was
advertised pursuant to the provisions of Section 15.2-2204 of the Code of Virginia,
1950, as amended. Said ordinance or resolution shall be recorded along with said
instrument as conclusive evidence of such consent, and if not so recorded, said
instrument shall be void.
The Grantor covenants and agrees that:
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PREPARED BY
SYKKS. SOUR®ON
FERN & LWY. P C
(1) The Zoning Administrator of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, shall
be vested with all necessary authority, on behalf of the governing body of the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, to administer and enforce the foregoing conditions and
restrictions, including the authority (a) to order, in writing, that any noncompliance
with such conditions be remedied; and (b) to bring legal action or suit to insure
compliance with such conditions, including mandatory or prohibitory injunction,
abatement, damages, or other appropriate action, suit, or proceeding;
(2) The failure to meet all conditions and restrictions shall constitute cause
to deny the issuance of any of the required building or occupancy permits as may be
appropriate;
(3) If aggrieved by any decision of the Zoning Administrator, made
pursuant to these provisions, the Grantors shall petition the governing body for the
review thereof prior to instituting proceedings in court; and
(4) The Zoning Map may show by an appropriate symbol on the map the
existence of conditions attaching to the zoning of the Property, and the ordinances
and the conditions may be made readily available and accessible for public
inspection in the office of the Zoning Administrator and in the Planning Department,
and they shall be recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, and indexed in the name of the Grantors and the Grantee.
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• SYK£S BOURDON.
A14£RN & LEVY, P C
WITNESS the following signature and seal:
GRANTOR:
Malbon Bros. Petroleum, L.L.C.,
a Virginia limited liability company
By: (SEAL)
Michael S. Malbon, Managing Member
STATE OF VIRGINIA
CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, to wit:
The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this 3Oth day of April,
2003, by Michael S. Malbon, Managing Member of Malbon Bros. Petroleum, L.L.C., a
Virginia limited liability company.
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Notary Public
My Commission Expires: August 31, 2006
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M FERN & LEVY. P C
EXHIBIT "A"
"NEW PARCEL"
All that certain tract, piece or parcel of land and the appurtenances thereon, situate
in the City of Virginia Beach, State of Virginia, known, numbered and designated as
Parcel "B" of that property known as the Property of B. G. White, Sr., said property
being situated on the eastern side of Oceana Boulevard and bounded and described
as indicated on a plat made by W. B. Gallup, County Surveyor, dated January 24,
1958, which plat is duly recorded in Deed Book 530, at Page 101 and reference to
same is hereby made for a more particular description.
GPIN• 2415-31-6485
"PARCEL I"
ALL THAT certain lot, piece or parcel of land, situate, lying and being in the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, and being known and designated as "R.H. Owens," as
shown on plat recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City of
Virginia Beach, Virginia, in Map Book 23, at page 83, and being more particularly
described as follows- Beginning at a pin on the Southern side of the Courthouse
Road, which pin is North 54 degrees and 50 minutes East 165 feet from a pipe in the
dividing line between the property hereby conveyed and the property of E.C. Culver
(formerly Sheppard) and proceeding thence South 69 degrees and 30 minutes East
86.2 feet to a pin; thence along the same course 291.9 feet to a pin; thence turning
and running South 20 degrees and 30 minutes West 106.23 feet to a pipe on the
Northern line of a 30 foot right of way between the property hereby conveyed and the
property of E.C. Culver, thence running along the 30 foot right of way North 69
degrees and 30 minutes West 356.9 feet to the Southern line of Courthouse Road;
thence North 54 degrees and 51 minutes East 135 feet, more or less, to a pin at
point of beginning, SAVE AND EXCEPT AND EXPRESSLY EXCLUDING that portion
of the property heretofore conveyed and/or dedicated for the widening of General
Booth Boulevard by instruments recorded in the Clerk's Office aforesaid in Deed
Book 2263, at page 99, and in Deed Book 2255, at page 1530, reference being made
to the plat recorded in Map Book 164, at page 49, in the Clerk's Office aforesaid, for
a more particular description of the said excepted and excluded land.
GPIN. 2415-31-4208
"PARCEL II"
ALL THAT certain lot, piece or parcel of land, being known, numbered and
designated as Parcel "A" on the plat of Property of H. C. White, Sr , Located near Dam
Neck in the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia, formerly the County of Princess Anne,
made by W B Gallup, County Surveyor, said plat being duly recorded in the Clerk's
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AHRRN & L£VY. R C
Office of the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia Beach, in Deed Book 530 at page
101 (erroneously referred to in previous deed as Map Book 16 at page 25.
LESS AND EXCEPT that portion of the above described property, which is now
known as Parcel 034, designated and described as
"TAKE AREA = 2,130.335 SQ FT. - 0.04891 AC." as shown on that certain plat
entitled: "PLAT OF PARCEL 034 - GENERAL BOOTH BOULEVARD - PROPERTY OF
WILLIAM D. & ANN M OSBORNE, D. B 856, PG. 52, D.B. 530, PG 101 (PLAT), T/W
ACQUISITION PLAT FOR PARCEL - GENERAL BOOTH BOULEVARD - PHASE I -
FOR CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, SCALE 1"=50', TALBOT & ASSOCIATES, LTD.,
ENGINEERS, SURVEYORS, PLANNERS, ARCHITECTS, P. O BOX 2224, VIRGINIA
BEACH, VA. 23452." Said plat is recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court
of the City of Virginia Beach, in Map Book 116 at Page 37
GPIN: 2415-31-5378
"PARCEL III"
ALL THAT certain lot, piece or parcel of land, located in Seaboard Magisterial
District, Virginia Beach, Virginia, and bounded and described as follows:
BEGINNING at a point located on the south side of State Highway No. 615, which
point marks the common boundary of the property hereby conveyed and the
property of Reggie Capps, and from the point thus established running N 57" 08' E
and along the south side of said highway a distance of 150 feet to a point; running
thence S 32° 52' E a distance of 200 feet to a point; thence running south 57' 08' W
a distance of 16.95 feet to a point; thence running N 66' 30' W a distance of 240.21
feet to the point or place of beginning. The property hereby conveyed being shown
on a plat of the same entitled, "Survey of site on Route No. 615, Princess Anne
County Virginia, for H. C. White, Jr.," recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit
Court of the City of Virginia Beach, Virginia in Map book 41 at Page 45.
LESS AND EXCEPT that portion of the above described property now known as
Parcel 035, designated and described as- "TAKE AREA = 4654.367 SQ. FT. - 0.107
AC." as shown on that certain plat entitled: "PLAT OF PARCEL 035 - GENERAL
BOOTH BOULEVARD - PROPERTY OF WILLIAM D 8s ANN M. OSBORNE, D.B.
1728, PG 577, M.B. 41, PG 45, R/W ACQUISITION PLAT FOR PARCEL -
GENERAL BOOTH BOULEVARD - PHASE I - FOR CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH,
SCALE. 1"=50', TALBOT & ASSOCIATES, LTD., ENGINEERS, SURVEYORS,
PLANNERS, ARCHITECTS, P. O. BOX 2224, VIRGINIA BEACH, VA 23452 " Said
plat is recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of the City of Virginia
Beach in Map Book 166, at page 37.
GPIN• 2415-31-3399
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ZONING HISTORY
1. 4-11-95 - Conditional Use Permit (Automobile Storage) — Approved
12-12-66 - Rezoning (R-S 3 Residence Suburban with a T-2 Supplement
to C-L 2 Limited Commercial) — Approved
2. 10-24-00 - Conditional Use Permit (Fuel Sales) — Approved
12-17-96 - Conditional Use Permit (Automobile Service Station) —
Withdrawn
3. 6-25-02 - Rezoning (1-1 Light Industrial to Conditional B-2 Business) and
Conditional Use Permit (Fuel Sales) — Approved
4. 10-26-93 - Conditional Use Permit (Motor Vehicle Sales) — Approved
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AGENDA ITEM
ITEM: Frank Blocker — Conditional Use Permit (motor vehicle sales and rental)
MEETING DATE: October 28, 2003
■ Background:
An Ordinance upon Application of Frank Blocker for a Conditional Use Permit for
motor vehicle sales and rental on property located at the southeast intersection
of Lynnhaven Parkway and Virginia Beach Boulevard (GPIN 1497640855).
DISTRICT 6 — BEACH
The purpose of this request is to use the site for the display of ten new Subaru
vehicles. Identical makes and models will be available for purchase at the RK
motor vehicle dealership to the west, across Lynnhaven Parkway.
■ Considerations:
The site is undeveloped and severely constrained by Chesapeake Bay
Preservation Area limits. A variance to the Chesapeake Bay Preservation Area
Ordinance was approved for the site on May 28, 2003 for the proposed use. The
applicant has received approval from the Chesapeake Bay Preservation Area
Board to install 10 parking pads, 6 foot by 16 foot, adjacent to the property lines
parallel to Virginia Beach Boulevard and Lynnhaven Parkway.
The intent of the applicant is to use the site for display of ten new motor vehicles
in a natural setting using the environmental features of the site. The applicant
notes that the vehicles are marketed to consumers with active outdoor lives. The
intent of the proposal for this site, according to the applicant, is to display
vehicles on the site as if they are "emerging from the woodland area."
The vehicles will be displayed on the site up to a month. Vehicular maneuvering
on and off the site will be accomplished through the use of an engineered ramp
designed to protect the City's curb and green space. The vehicles will be moved
on and off the site during the hours of 8:00 p.m. and Midnight.
This use was previously proposed for this site in 1995 and was granted approval,
but only on a temporary (seven months) basis while an auto sales facility on
Laskin Road was extensively redeveloped. Staff believes that such temporary
use is acceptable, but believes the permanent display of motor vehicles on this
site is not appropriate.
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Staff recommended denial. There was no opposition to the request.
■ Recommendations:
The Planning Commission passed a motion by a recorded vote of 6-3 with 1
abstention to approve this request with the following conditions:
1. The site shall be developed substantially in accordance with the
submitted "Conceptual Site Layout Plan Of RK CHEVROLET",
Lynnhaven Parkway and Virginia Beach Boulevard, prepared by MSA.
PC, and dated 06/27/03, except only seven (7) Subaru vehicles shall be
displayed on the site. Said plan has been exhibited to the Virginia Beach
City Council and is on file with the Virginia Beach Department of
Planning.
2. The applicant shall adhere to all the conditions attached to the
Chesapeake Bay Preservation Area Ordinance variance that was
approved by the City of Virginia Beach Chesapeake Bay Board for the
site on May 28, 2003, except only seven (7) Subaru vehicles shall be
displayed on the site.
3. The applicant shall install decorative fencing along the perimeter of the
site adjacent to Virginia Beach Boulevard and Lynnhaven Parkway. The
proposed fencing shall meet the requirements of the City Zoning
Ordinance, Section 201(e).
4. The applicant shall submit detailed engineering plans for the proposed
temporary (engineered) ramp to be used to move the vehicles on and off
the site to the Planning Director for review and approval.
5. The applicant shall be responsible for repair of any damage to the City of
Virginia Beach curbing, green space and sidewalk in the areas to be
used for moving the vehicles on and off the site.
6. The vehicles shall only be moved on and off the site during the hours of
9:30 p.m. to midnight, and shall not be moved more than one (1) day per
month.
7 The applicant shall install or enhance, if necessary, any existing
pedestrian signalization at the intersection of Virginia Beach Boulevard
and Lynnhaven Parkway, subject to the approval of the City of Virginia
Beach Public Works Department / Traffic Engineering Division.
8. The Conditional Use Permit shall be reviewed administratively on annual
basis.
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9. The only signage permitted for the site shall be a monument style
freestanding sign to be approved by the Planning Director. There shall
be no pennants, streamers, banners or balloons displayed on the site.
10. Loudspeakers shall not be installed on the site.
11. Vehicles shall not be displayed on ramps.
12. Salespersons shall not bring customers on the site.
■ Attachments:
Staff Review
Disclosure Statement
Planning Commission Minutes
Location Map
Recommended Action: Staff recommends denial. Planning Commission recommends
approval
Submitting Department/Agency: Planning Department
City Manager:
FRANK BLOCKER / # 8
September 10, 2003
General Information:
APPLICATION
NUMBER: 107-213-CUP-2003
REQUEST: Conditional Use Permit for Motor Vehicle Sales and Rental
ADDRESS: Southeast corner of Virginia Beach Boulevard and Lynnhaven
Parkway
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SITE SIZE:
STAFF
PLANNER:
0.675 acre
Faith Christie
PURPOSE: To use the site for the display of ten new Subaru vehicles. Identical
makes and models will be available for purchase on the RK Chevrolet
site to the west, across Lynnhaven Parkway
Major Issues:
• Degree to which the proposal is compatible with the surrounding area.
• Consistency with the
Comprehensive Plan
recommendations.
Land Use, Zoning, and
Site Characteristics:
Existing Land Use and Zoninq
The site is undeveloped and
severely constrained by Chesapeake
Bay Preservation Area limits The
site is zoned B-2 Business District
Surrounding Land Use and
Zoning
North: • Virginia Beach Boulevard
• Across Virginia Beach Boulevard are
apartments / A-18 Apartment
South: • Woods / B-2 Business
• Monarch Bank / 1-1 Light Industrial
East: • Woods and a retail and small service
center / B-2 Business
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West: . Lynnhaven Parkway
• Across Lynnhaven Parkway is RK
Chevrolet / B-2 Business
Zoning History
In 1966, the site was rezoned from R-S 3 Residence Suburban with a T-2 Supplement
to C-L 2 Limited Commercial The site has been zoned B-2 Business since 1973.
A variance to the Chesapeake Bay Preservation Area Ordinance was approved for the
site in February 1995. The following conditions applied
1 No filling of the subject site is permitted;
2 An acceptable access plan must be submitted to the Department of Planning for
review and approval;
3 No more than 5 automobiles shall be parked on grass pavers and the grass
pavers shall be the limits of land disturbance within the Resource Protection
Area,
4 If the parking of automobiles is abandoned, the grass pavers shall be removed,
elevations restored to match existing grades, erosion and sediment control
measures installed and the site be stabilized with vegetative cover,
5. A revised site plan incorporating the above conditions must be submitted to the
Planning Department Development Services Center for a plan of development
review; and
6. Within 18 months the property will be returned to its' natural state
A Conditional Use Permit was approved for the site for Automobile Storage in April
1995. The following conditions were attached to the permit*
1. All cars will be parked on grass pavers.
2. This Use Permit shall expire 1 January 1996
A variance to the Chesapeake Bay Preservation Area Ordinance was approved for the
site on May 28, 2003 The following conditions applied:
1 A pre -construction meeting shall be convened with Civil Inspections prior to any
land disturbance.
2 A 36" erosion and sedimentation control measure (silt fence) shall be installed
prior to any land disturbance and shall remain in place until such time as
vegetative cover is established
3 Construction limits shall lie a maximum of 10' seaward of improvements
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4. The construction access way shall be noted on the site plan, as well as the
stockpile staging area.
5. ** As offered by the applicant, payment shall be made to the Lynnhaven Oyster
Heritage Program prior to or concurrent with site plan approval. Payment shall be
in the amount of $143.00 and is based on 25% of the proposed impervious
cover. Said payment shall provide for the equivalent of an approximate 156 sq
ft., 12-inch deep oyster shell plant within the Lynnhaven River Basin
6 All areas outside limits of construction shall be left in a natural state to include the
forest floor (leaf litter) left intact Said condition shall be so noted on the site plan.
7. Buffer restoration shall be insubstantial compliance with the submitted site plan
prepared by MSA and dated April 28, 2003.
8 One tree shall be installed within each mulched landscape bed. Said trees should
be located along the seaward limits of each bed and can be of a small variety.
9. The proposed gravel parking pads shall be constructed of #57 washed aggregate
at a minimum depth of 6 inches and shall be utilized for new vehicle display only
10 A revised site plan shall be submitted to the Department of Planning,
Development Services Center for review and approval prior to the issuance of a
building permit
NOTE If this variance is approved, the 10 conditions listed above will supercede the
conditions of the variance granted February 27, 1995.
NOTE. The parking and display of automobiles in the B-2 Zoning District will require a
Conditional Use Permit from City Council
Air Installation Compatible Use Zone (AICUZ)
The site is in an AICUZ of more than 75dB Ldn surrounding NAS Oceana. The United
States Navy did not provide comments on the request.
Public Facilities and Services
Water and Sewer
City water and city sewer are not required for the proposed use
Transportation
Master Transportation Plan (MTP) / Capital Improvement Program (CIP):
Lynnhaven Parkway in front of this site is considered a four lane divided major urban
arterial It is designated on the Master Transportation Plan as a 100-foot right -of -
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way, divided with a multi -use trail. A 12-foot reservation for future improvements will
be required during detailed site plan review
Virginia Beach Boulevard in front of the site is considered a four lane divided major
urban arterial It is designated on the Master Transportation Plan as a 150-foot right-
of-way divided
Traffic Calculations:
Street Name
Present
Present
Generated Traffic
Volume
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Lynnhaven Parkway
30,000
17,300 ADT
Existing Land Use 2- 315
ADT'
Virginia Beach Boulevard
43,500 ADT
43,940 ADT
Proposed Land Use 3 - 20
Average Daily Trips
2 as defined by 7,350 square feet of retail space
3 as defined by automobile display
Public Safety
Police: This area's isolation places the vehicles out of the immediate
control, and in the case of the three vehicles along Virginia
Beach Boulevard, out of sight of the RK Chevrolet employees
It's isolation and lack of natural surveillance will lessen the risk
to anyone looking to commit vandalism and / or damage to the
vehicles
By their presence, these vehicles will draw pedestrians and car
shoppers on the RK Chevrolet site to cross Lynnhaven
Parkway. This increases the risk of pedestrian / vehicular
accidents in an area already with a high number of accidents
Fire and Adequate — no further comments
Rescue:
Comprehensive Plan
The Comprehensive Plan recognizes this area suitable for retail, service, office and
compatible uses The Comprehensive Plan policies and map recognize that Lynnhaven
Parkway and Virginia Beach Boulevard in this vicinity are economically viable
commercial corridors that support the expansion of similar uses provided sound land
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use planning principles are applied to the development in order to achieve an attractive,
safe, and well -maintained physical environment
Summary of Proposal
Proposal
• The intent of the applicant is to use the site for new vehicle display in a
natural setting using the environmental features of the site. The applicant
notes that the vehicles are marketed to consumers with active outdoor lives
The intent of the proposal for this site, according to the applicant, is to display
vehicles on the site as if they are "emerging from the woodland area "
• Ten new Subaru vehicles will be displayed on the site. Identical makes and
models of the vehicles will be available for purchase on the RK Chevrolet site
located to the west across Lynnhaven Parkway.
• The vehicles will be displayed on the site up to a month. Vehicular
maneuvering on and off the site will be accomplished through the use of an
engineered ramp designed to protect the City's curb and green space The
vehicles will be moved on and off the site during the hours of 8 00 p m. and
Midnight.
• The applicant has received approval from the Chesapeake Bay Preservation
Area Board to install 10 parking pads, 6 foot by 16 foot, adjacent to the
property lines parallel to Virginia Beach Boulevard and Lynnhaven Parkway
Site Design
• The submitted site plan depicts 10 parking pads of 6 foot by 16 foot along the
perimeter of the site. Landscaped islands separate the parking pads An
identification sign is also depicted on the plan. The majority of the site is to be
left in a natural state.
Vehicular and Pedestrian Access
• There is no vehicular access depicted on the plan The applicant states that
the vehicles will be moved on and off the site via an engineered ramp that will
protect the curb, sidewalk and green space The applicant volunteered a
fence around the perimeter of the site to discourage vehicles from entering
the site over the curb and sidewalk
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• Pedestrian access is simply gained by walking onto the site.
Architectural Design
• There are no building proposed with the request
Landscape and Open Space
• The site is severely constrained by the limits of the Chesapeake Bay
Preservation Area Ordinance. The Chesapeake Bay Preservation Area Board
has approved a variance to allow the display of 10 vehicles on gravel parking
pads at the outermost limits of the Resource Protection Area. The majority of
the site is to be left in a natural state Landscaped islands will be installed
adjacent to the parking pads.
Evaluation of Request
The request for a Conditional Use Permit for Motor Vehicle Sales and Rental is not
acceptable.
This use was previously proposed for this site in 1995 and was granted approval, but
only on a temporary (seven months) basis while an auto sales facility on Laskin Road
was extensively redeveloped Staff believes that such temporary use is acceptable, but
believes the permanent display of motor vehicles on this site is not appropriate,
primarily due to safety concerns
As noted by the Police Department in their comments on this request, the site will be
unattended, leaving it vulnerable to vandalism Also, and of more concern, these
vehicles are likely to draw "car shoppers" on the RK Chevrolet site to cross Lynnhaven
Parkway as pedestrians, even though the applicant has noted that `identical vehicles'
will be located on the auto sales lot. This increases the risk of pedestrian / vehicular
accidents in an area which already experiences a high number of accidents. And lastly,
positioning a temporary ramp over the curb to move the vehicles on and off the site will
cause a traffic problem in an already congested area, regardless of the hour of day
Staff, therefore, finds that this use is inappropriate for this site and recommends denial
of the request for a Conditional Use Permit for Motor Vehicle Sales and Rentals
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Applicant's Name: Frank Blocker
List All Current
Property Owners: Frank Blocker
APPLICANT DISCLOSURE
If the applicant is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach list if necessary)
If the applicant is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach list
if necessary)
❑ Check here if the applicant is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization
If the applicant is not the current owner of the property, complete the Property Owner
Disclosure section below:
PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE
If the property owner is a CORPORATION, list all officers of the Corporation below:
(Attach fist if necessary)
If the property owner is a PARTNERSHIP, FIRM, or other UNINCORPORATED
ORGANIZATION, list all members or partners in the organization below: (Attach list
if necessary)
❑ Check here if the property owner is NOT a corporation, partnership, firm, or other
unincorporated organization.
CERTIFICATION: I certify that the information contained herein is true
and curate.
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Conditional Use Permit Application
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Item #8
Frank Blocker
Conditional Use Permit
Southeast intersection of Lynnhaven Parkway and
Virginia Beach Boulevard
District 6
Beach
September 10, 2003
REGULAR
Ronald Ripley: The next order of our business is items that will be heard in their regular
order. We'll begin with Item #8. Mr. Miller will you call this item please.
Robert Miller: First item is Item #8, Frank Blocker.
Manna Phillips: Good afternoon Mr. Chairman, Commissioners. My name is Marina
Phillips. I represent the applicant Frank Blocker who is seeking a Conditional Use
Permit for the placement of ten motor vehicles in an actual display on the corner of
Virginia Beach Boulevard and Lynnhaven Parkway. The landowner has been diligent in
the planned Use, and it is consistent with the property's B-2 zoning, but is the minimum
development that still enables him to enjoy the use of this property. It's an innovative
and thoughtful proposal, and it has limited impact relative to other commercial properties
in that area and in the rest of the City. Rather then propose a large scale project, the use
is limited to .02 acres out of .675 total or approximately three percent of the total site. It
is much less intrusive than other uses in the area, and also that what could possibly be
approved by law. The characteristics of the property have been considered in creating
this proposal. The plan is for visual use only, it is not intended for car sales although that
is the name of the Conditional Use Permit because that is what complied with your code.
There are going to be no curb cuts proposed. There is no vehicular access intended here.
In fact, we have some proposals to deter vehicular access such as a fence that is going to
be placed between the sidewalk and the vehicles. We're proposing something in the form
of a split rail fence or maybe a little picket fence. Something that is consistent with the
natural plan of the Subaru display that is going to be placed on this site. The movements
of vehicles are going to be limited to no more than one day a month if that, and it will
definitely be in the off hours. We propose that it will be between 8:00 pm and midnight,
limited traffic times on Lynnhaven Parkway, and we will be using an engineered ramp
that will be pre approved by the City before it is used. I'd like you to note that RK
Chevrolet will be installing the display and has agreed to be responsible for any damage
to either the curb or any green space in the area although none is anticipated, if that
should occur, RK will be responsible for the repair. There will be duplicates of every
vehicle that is displayed at this corner on the parking lot. That's the prime source of
RK's business. That's where they expect the vehicles to be shown and purchased. This
is only a display for people to look at as they're driving back. The fact of which, I as an
environmental lawyer, is the fact that this property has valuable natural resources in the
forms of tidal and non -tidal wetlands, and we are protecting those. We are not going to
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= impact those. We've already been before the Chesapeake Bay Planning Board, and they
have approved this Use of the property with a few conditions. They were highly
complimentary of the fact that we had limited the use of the property to very fringe of the
corner, and that we are actually going to enhance the environment in the area by the
surrounding plantings. Each car is going to be surrounded by an extensive native
planting and that will not only import with the environmental nature of the display that
they're trying to place, but also will increase the filtering of water as it goes into the
tributary of the bay there should there any sediment or other contaminates. The cars are
going to be placed on gravel, which are pervious little plots. They will not be impervious
so they will not increase water runoff in the area. RK is so pleased with this design
they're going to promote the fact that there's been a partnership between RK and the City
and approving this project for national advertising. Subaru's are geared toward people
who are environmentally nature and the fact that we've got an environmentally sensitive
project here is something that is up for an award with RK Subaru nationally and will be
used in a national advertising. So, it's a way for the City of Virginia Beach to get a little
credit for being environmentally conscious as well. In response to some of the comments
from staff that I've heard in the course of working with them on this project with the
respect to the potential for vandalism. I'd like to point out that there are seven street
lights around that corner. Now, we are not planning any additional lighting around the
cars, and the reason for that is that we'd like to have it be a natural setting, something that
looks like the cars are coming out of the woods and lighting would not be consistent with
that. RK does patrol its own parking lot, which is on the other side of Lynnhaven
Parkway During business hours as well as off hours, they have a security patrol starting
at 9.00 pm when their business closes until it opens again in the morning, and that
security will patrol the property on the other side of the street as well. RK also has closed
circuit camera system that they have inside where their control booth is, inside their
showroom, and they're going to focus one of the cameras on the opposite corner as well
so that any potential vandals will be detected as quickly as possible. With respect to the
potential for pedestrian vehicular accidents, I will say that the staff report states that these
vehicles are likely to draw car shoppers on the RK Chevrolet site to cross Lynnhaven
Parkway even though the applicant has noted that identical vehicles will be located on the
auto sales lot. I'd like to focus on the word likely. We are discussing "hypothetical"
here. I've not heard any information that's substantial enough to, in my opinion give the
Commission grounds for denying because we know that accidents are going to be caused
with the people more likely to be attracted by the hundred of cars that are located on the
parking lot located across the street. That's going to be the main attraction. That is
where we want the people to come and park and look at the cars. This corner property
that is before you today is for display purposes only. It's not anything different. In fact, I
think it's less invasive than things that I've seen on many other comers in Virginia Beach
and also around the country. I think with respect to being an attraction or a distraction, I
think this project is minimal and it has been designed to be minimal. All corners lend
themselves to pedestrian crossings. This particular corner is already used for pedestrians
because on the other side of our property, east of the property you're considering today,
there is a little strip center and there are restaurants in there. And there is already some
crossing that occurs because of people trying to reach the restaurants I know that in the
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report that staff indicates that there have been cars parked there before. RK did have a
temporary Conditional Use Permit to park cars there in 1995, and they have informed me
that they are aware of no problems either vehicular or pedestrian accidents that were
caused by this display during that time. Finally, as described in the package we've gone
to great lengths to lend both the pedestrian and vehicular access to the property, the
fence, the lack of curb cuts and just attraction for visual rather than people driving up.
There's not going to be a whole lot of room for people to park a car between the curb and
the fence. In closing, I'd like to just tell you that the applicant has severally limited their
use of this property. In consideration of public safety and of the environment, again, the
Chesapeake Bay Board was very complimentary of their limit of their use of the property.
Your experience tells you, I'm sure that much more aggressive use could have been
proposed, and if allowed by law, but this applicant has chosen restraint. I request that
you acknowledge these efforts and approve this request and finally between the pre -
hearing and this meeting, staff has prepared eight conditions that they propose on this
Conditional Use Permit, and we accept all of there. I would just like to make one
amendment to number seven which says, "the applicant shall install and enhance any
existing pedestrian signalization", I like to insert the words "if necessary." We don't
want to encourage the pedestrians and putting the lights there may do that but are willing
to let the project go and subject to the Planning Department, Public Works Traffic
Engineering whatever section of the City has made comments after it has been in place
for awhile. We're willing to consider the placement of the pedestrian signalization.
Thank you very much for your time. I appreciate staff s efforts to work with us, and the
opportunity to present this to you. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer
them at this time.
Ronald Ripley: Before questions Ms. Phillips, the conditions that you're referring to
were conditions that staff and you don't have those copies but I do have them. And, they
were conditions that were presented in the event that this went to a favorable
recommendation which staff sometimes does that if they feel like the Commission might
be thinking in terms of an affirmative vote on an approval. I would be happy to hand
these out if you would like to see them. I might as well since you've brought it up.
These were just handed to be by the way before the meeting started so nobody has really
seen them. I just read them one time. Yes.
Dorothy Wood: Ms. Phillips, I noticed that you're still having, I think unless it's been
changed that you'll be moving the automobiles starting at 8:00 o'clock. As I mentioned
this morning, that's pretty early because that traffic is tremendous there until Lynnhaven
Mall closes as I'm sure you're aware. I'd like to see, if it is approved, that you'll change
that to maybe 9:30 or 9:00, after the mall closes.
Manna Phillips: That's perfectly fine.
Dorothy Wood: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Do we have questions of Ms. Phillips? Yes Will.
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William Din: Obviously, you have these vehicles out there for display to attract
passersby attentions and things. What kind of restrictions will you have to minimize
customer requesting to test drive one of those vehicles because the identical vehicle was
not available on the other side because of the color, because of the accessories, whatever.
Are there any restrictions that you've imposed upon your sales staff to keep those
vehicles from being driven off that area during the course of a sale?
Manna Phillips: Yes. First of all, RK is going to have duplicates of every single one.
They're not going to order any cars that aren't duplicates on their own lot to place over
on display. Second of all, they already agreed that they are only going to use the cars one
time a month. They are not going to move them at any other time. That's a self-imposed
restriction, and we put that in a condition.
William Din: Would there be any sign over there?
Marina Phillips: There will be a sign on the corner, and it will similar to the one that's on
the other corner, the RK sign. It has the time on it, the temperature.
William Din: Do we have a drawing or rendering of that, or is that allowed. I haven't
seen anything in the write up about a sign there.
Marina Phillips: Yes. It says it in the application that there's going to be a sign similar to
RKs.
William Din- Okay.
Marina Phillips: Let me see what the write up says.
William Din: Can you describe, I guess, this has been approved by the Chesapeake Bay
Board, and it was originally approved for five vehicles out there, and you've requested
ten. As the Bay Board gone back and approved ten vehicles to be out there?
Marina Phillips: Yes sir. The five vehicles were in 1995. That was a temporary
approval. We went before the Bay Board with the ten, and they approved it in the spring
of this year.
William Din: Can you describe, what kind of disturbance this area is going to require in
order to install these cars in this display area itself? Are you going to be removing any of
the trees? What's going to happen out there?
Manna Phillips: Yes. Three trees are going to be removed for the placement of these
cars, but six will be added. In addition to adding the six, I don't know if you can see on
that drawing in between the cars there are little green plantings, they are going to be
native plants that are going to be added.
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Ronald Ripley: Ms. Phillips, you have a pointer right there, a little laser. You can pick it
up.
Marina Phillips: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: So the trees are in between the cars?
Marina Phillips: Yes. They're going to be low plantings. There are not going to be
trees. The trees will be added over here but where the trees have to be lifted, the
vegetation is a little bit heavier on this side of the property then on this side. But,
nevertheless, between every car, there's going to be additional native plantings added that
will enhance the existing vegetation.
William Din: So you're going to do some clearing. I guess this display is going to
require some clearing brush or wetlands type grass is in there?
Manna Phillips: Very little clearing than grass. The major clearing is going to be the
three trees and then both by our request and then confirmed by the Chesapeake Bay
Board we're going to do the additional wetlands plantings in between the cars. So, we're
actually going to increase the vegetation on the property.
William Din: What kind of uses can go into this area if you had to other than this?
Marina Phillips: What we thought of here was the absolute minimum impact highest and
best use. Certainly by right, we have the opportunity to do something that actually has
curb cuts, has egress/ingress. Things that we were thinking of that could fit on sixth tenth
of an acre would be something like a Coffease or Starbucks, little in and out type thing.
And that was something that we absolutely did not want. We wanted something that had
no traffic access. It had minimal environmental impact. We were very conscience of the
tidal and non -tidal wetlands on the property and didn't want to impact them. What we
came up with was something that we thought was a highest and best use with minimal
impact. I can't think of anything with less impact. I can think of a lot of things with
more impact.
William Din: That type of use, I guess would impact that you would have to get
permission to go impact the wetlands to do that.
Manna Phillips: Right.
William Din: Can you tell me what type of high land is in that area that you could use
without impacting wetlands? What kind of uses would be in there that would not impact
that?
Manna Phillips: I really can't think of anything that would be better. The whole corner
is in the 100-foot buffer. The whole area is in Chesapeake Bay jurisdictional area so
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pretty much anything there will impact the buffer. I think that something that controls
access, controls paving, controls impervious cover is the highest and best use with the
minimal impact. I'm open to suggestion if you have something else?
William Din: I'm just curious to see if there is an alternate use other than what you're
proposing? I don't remember when I went through this thing reading about a sign.
Where would you put that sign?
Marina Phillips: Can you even see it? It's indicated right there, right above that blue car.
It would be right on the corner.
William Din: Is that a lighted sign?
Marina Phillips: It's a LED. It has the digital numbers like on VCR's, something like
that. And, what we're proposing is to do something in keeping with the environmental
theme. The humidity perhaps on one side, and the sign on the other side has temperature
and time on it already so it won't be either of those things. Like humidity and maybe
suntan percentage. Something environmentally oriented.
William Din: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any other questions? Jan, and then, Joe.
Janice Anderson: Since you're doing the environmental thing, I mean there won't be any
big balloons tied to these cars or any banners or anything?
Manna Phillips: Absolutely no.
Janice Anderson: So, the display will consistent of just the cars?
Marina Phillips: Right.
Janice Anderson: Okay, and the one sign?
Manna Phillips: At the corner.
Janice Anderson: That sign is low to the ground to is that correct?
Manna Phillips: Yes.
Janice Anderson: Thank you.
Manna Phillips- It's within the sign requirements of your ordinance.
Ronald Ripley: Joe.
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Joseph Strange: Since this is in that 100-foot buffer, there is no by -right use of this land.
Manna Phillips: Well.
Joseph Strange: Am I correct in saying that? I'm not saying it, I'm asking you.
Manna Phillips: You can apply for exceptions to all these.
Joseph Strange: You can apply, but I mean you don't have a by -right use of that land
where you can say, "well, I can be using it for something else"?
Manna Phillips: Well, that starts a big constitutional question, and I don't think I want to
argue at this point, but we do have a balance between personal property rights and the
environment and safety, etc. It is a balance. You've heard the "T" word, taking, and
that's what arises in cases, where people are totally prohibited from using property, and
that is what I was referring to.
Joseph Strange: I was referring to the buffer because it is in the 100-foot buffer. That is
what I was referring to.
Marina Phillips: We do have an opportunity to apply for an exception.
Joseph Strange: You have an opportunity to apply for an exception but not a by -right that
is what I was trying to say.
Marina Phillips: Okay.
Joseph Strange: Second question is will the sales people be allowed on this lot at all?
Will they be allowed to go over there and take a customer?
Marina Phillips: We haven't really talked about that, but if the Commission would like to
restrict it that's perfectly acceptable.
Joseph Strange: I think that would be a good restriction if the sales people were not
allowed to even take a customer over there.
Marina Phillips: That's perfectly acceptable.
Joseph Strange. Okay.
Ronald Ripley: I have a question. And the question has to deal with the product. This is
for Subaru.
Manna Phillips: Right.
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Ronald Ripley: What happens if Subaru's are discontinued or they stop. We had the
Edsel and that's gone. What happens? What do we do here?
Marina Phillips: I think RK might be upset. I don't know. That was something that I
hadn't considered. That is our proposal. Our proposal is that we're going to put Subaru's
there.
Ronald Ripley: I understand.
Marina Phillips: We didn't make that a condition of the proposal that I understand. I
hadn't heard anything about wanting to change it to Chevrolets.
Ronald Ripley: It's just a question.
Marina Phillips: Sorry.
Ronald Ripley: Dot, you have a question?
Dorothy Wood: One more question Ms. Phillips. You said there's going to be dual cars,
one on the other lot and one here. If you sell the one on the other lot it's really going to
be hard for them not to come over there and move the car that is left. I mean, if I wanted
this green Subaru with blue leather interior and you sold the one on the lot then are you
going to move it?
Marina Phillips: Only on the one day a month.
Dorothy Wood: Okay, thank you.
Marina Phillips: No more frequently.
Dorothy Wood: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: So you wouldn't sell it at that point?
Marina Phillips: I'm not sure exactly what procedure they would use, but they would not
allow the person to physically move the car until the one day of the month. They've
committed to that.
Ronald Ripley: Alright. Does anybody else have questions? Gene has a question and
then Charlie
Eugene Crabtree: I don't have any questions but I do have a comment when we get to
that point.
Ronald Ripley: Okay
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Eugene Crabtree: Being familiar with the corner, and as I said previously, I think if the
owners are not allowed to do this, then he's got a dead piece of property with no
reasonable way of getting nd of it or using it for anything. This does give a useable use
to that. I think the proposed use for it and the restrictions that they're putting on it is
reasonable and it I think if it worked and being familiar with the RK Chevrolet
operations, I think what they say that they will truly try to hold to. Therefore, from my
standpoint, I think I'm going to be for the application.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. I think, Charlie, do you have a comment?
Charlie Salle': I had a question. I was wondering are there ten models of Subaru's that
require you to have ten cars out there, or how did you come up with that number?
Marina Phillips: We just spaced them around the property. We did not do it based on the
models of Subaru.
Charlie Salle': As the conditions are written these spaces are not limited to Subaru's.
You can put any car that you wanted to out there.
Marina Phillips: We would be happy to accept the condition that it would be Subaru's.
That's the intent. As Chairman Ripley said, these conditions were just drafted between
the pre meeting, and now, and certainly that restriction is acceptable. That was the intent.
Charlie Salle': Would your client have a problem with the limitation of this Use Permit
for a period of one year?
Manna Phillips: Meaning a temporary permit only?
Charlie Salle'. It would be reevaluated at the end of the year if there are issues that staff
feels needs to come to the Planning Commission it would be brought up again.
Manna Phillips: Yes, in fact, condition number eight does say it shall be reviewed
administratively on an annual basis and that's acceptable. We don't anticipate any
problems. That's perfectly acceptable.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any other comments? Joe.
Joseph Strange: The only comment that I would make is that I do think that is somewhat
of a safety problem over there because I do think there would be pedestrians crossing the
street. And, also I think the applicant is willing to take just about any condition we put
on it to limit that, and because of their attitude about that I think as long as we put these
conditions on there, and I think limiting the sales people off of this would be a major
deterrent from being able to cross that street. Based on this and based on the fact that
there probably isn't any better use for this piece of property, I'll probably be supporting
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Ronald Ripley: Does anybody else have any questions? Jan.
Janice Anderson: Is there any opposition to this?
Ronald Ripley: There is no opposition that I know of.
Janice Anderson: Okay. I just wanted to know. I would be in support of the application.
They had a temporary use of it before with no problems so far as vandalism or people
driving up on the curb or anything like that. So, I don't really think that's a problem.
They have addressed it. They are going to have a security look out for that exit also. As
she said there's only three percent of the site being used, and the owner is using the site
for some purpose, and it doesn't have the impact on the wetland area and I think the
proffers with the conditional one year review, I think your protected. I would agree with
Dot that I think the transfer of the vehicles should be later at 9:30. I think 8:00 o'clock is
still busy out there on Lynnhaven. And, so far as the requirement for pedestrian crossing
signal there, I don't know if there is one there or not, but if they're not going to be
bringing customers over there if that is going to be a requirement I don't think that needs
to be required. If they were going to be bringing customers in I think that would be
feasible request for the applicant.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any other comments? Charlie.
Charlie Salle': I guess we got the eight conditions that were submitted, and I suspect we
don't have the condition with respect to the sales personnel and the restrictions of
Subaru's if that's going to be part of the restriction so I guess between now and Council
or at some appropriate time we need to have the conditions revised to reflect all of this.
Ronald Ripley: I think we're going to need those if were going to vote on this. We need
those revised now. Gene.
Eugene Crabtree: I think we should add condition nine that says, "no sales person will be
allowed to take customers across the street or on the lot." And, also Ron, a change in
item six that vehicles will only be moved and off the site during the hours of between
9:30 pm to midnight."
Dorothy Wood: I agree.
Charlie Salle': There was a comment that these cars would only be moved once a month.
Is that your representation?
Manna Phillips: Yes sir.
Charlie Salle': Should that be added to number six, only one time per month?
Eugene Crabtree: One day a month.
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Manna Phillips. Yes, that's fine.
Ronald Ripley: Will.
William Din: I'm not really in favor of this application. I probably won't be supporting
it but if you do, I think you need to see some rendering of the sign in there. I just want to
make sure that we recognize that there is going to be a sign there and what it looks like is
I don't know if it's going to make any difference. To me, what we have here is a very
busy intersection, probably one of the busiest in the city. And, you're providing an
additional distraction that probably is not needed on this comer. You have all these
vehicles on the opposite corner already and like I said, this is probably the busiest
intersection between Lynnhaven and Virginia Beach Boulevard. Yeah, there is going to
be some intrusion to the wetlands, and this does minimize that, but I believe, I don't think
it's an intrusive that we need at this point especially with the distractions and safety
concerns for the vehicles that are moving through this intersection. To me, you're putting
vehicles out there and providing distraction of the moving vehicles, not necessarily for
the pedestrians. Pedestrians can cross at this intersection. They can cross at any
intersection on their own, and their safety is a concern, but I'm concerned because of the
vehicles that are moving through here. So, I probably won't be support this application.
Marina Phillips: With respect to the sign Commissioner, it was identified in the
application and if you look on Page 6 of the Section number 8 under site design, it does
say that the plan takes ten parking pads, landscape vines separate the pads and
identification sign is also depicted. We did inform Planning Commission staff that we
were putting up a sign. And, in my application package I identified as being identical to
the sign across the street at the main RK showroom.
William Din: The one over on the other side is a large sign that's on a pole. Is that
correct?
Manna Phillips It's on a pedestal and it turns.
William Din: Yes. Are you going to have a pedestal and a turning sign on this corner
also9
Manna Phillips: Yes.
William Din: I don't actually remember what that sign looks like, and I'm trying to find
it, but I wasn't aware that, there was going to be a sign there like that but that's besides
the point. Thank you.
Manna Phillips- Thank you.
Ronald Ripley- Are there any other comments? I want to make a comment also. This is
a tough one, and I'm pretty much a property rights person. But, on the other hand I can't
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get over the safety issue here, and I think you can control your sales people, but I don't
think you can control the customer. A customer comes at it all the times during the
weekend. He shows up on Sunday to look at cars, and the salesman aren't there, and they
crawl all over the lot. My wife just bought a car a couple of days ago. If the color was
over there she would have gone over there to see it, and that's what kind of bothers me
about this particular application. And, I think it's very innovative on what you've done. I
think it's a very well impact as far as three percent of the site. I mean, how can you get
any lower than that? I commend you for what you've attempted to do here. I don't think
I'm going to be in favor of it. I would urge that we add, if we are going to vote and get an
affirmative vote out of here, that you limit this back to the five. You make a lot less
impact, a lot less physical on that corner than ten. That's a lot of cars, and that's a lot of
cars for his inventory just to be stuck over there for a whole month. I just have a hard
time believing and no disrespect to you. I know you were counseled about. You're
telling us what the story is, and I'm sure hopefully that would happen and this is an
excellent businessman. He's been in the city for a long tune and they're just good
corporate citizens, and I have a hard time not supporting this but I can't get by the safety
issue. I see this intersection increasing in traffic and I just can't see it.
Marina Phillips: The nature of this site, I think all of your concerns are correct. There
probably aren't going to be that many people crossing the street because it is a busy
street. And, I think my sense is that people basically take the path of least resistance if
there is a parking lot on one side which has a 100 cars they're more likely to be attracted
by that and go over there and look at the cars on that property. I think were
hypothesizing here. It's difficult to say who's correct.
Ronald Ripley: I'm not interested in debating you, I'm just telling you what my opinion
is. Okay. Are there any other comments?
Charlie Salle': I don't think I'm going to be able to support this application either. And, I
do agree it's a close case, and I think I can go along, perhaps with ten cars there. It's
almost like the old "burma shaves" signs, if you're old enough to remember.
Dorothy Wood: They don't know what you're talking about.
Charlie Salle': They don't. But anyway, I think that's too many. This is an area too
where at that intersection you got a lot of lane changes going on there or just prior to that
area and traffic is moving back and forth across those lanes and I just think that is to
much distraction at that intersection. I think it is going to induce people to cross over
there to look at those cars but, and maybe there is nothing you can do about that but, I
still think that is too much distraction at that corner and maybe five would be something
that I could accept. But, I just can't go along without five cars.
Ronald Ripley: Are there any other comments? Yes, Kathy.
Kathy Katsias: I agree with Charlie with regard to the number of cars. On the other
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hand, one of the other recommendations that the owner would have is to be a Starbucks
did you say? I think that would create more traffic or more vehicular and pedestrian
traffic in and out with people picking up their coffee. So, I am in favor of the application,
not so much with limiting the number of cars, and I have a little problem with the sign. I
mean the sign on the other corner is large, rotating, and the cars are advertising enough. I
don't think a sign is needed on this property. If you remove the sign and limited the cars,
I would be supportive of the application.
Ronald Ripley: Yes, Dot.
Dorothy Wood: Do you think maybe we could defer this because we're asking to go
from ten to five cars and to have no salesman on the property and only Subaru's and
changing the hours. Maybe perhaps you would like to talk to your client because I think
they're all valid but we're asking for a lot of changes.
Marina Phillips: All of the changes other than the limitation of the number of cars are
things that my client has already discussed and I can state.
Dorothy Wood: The number of cars and the sign also?
Marina Phillips: Not the number of cars. We've not discussed that.
Dorothy Wood: What about not having the sign?
Marina Phillips: Can we do something like putting a condition in that the sign will be
approved by Planning staff, something like that?
Ronald Ripley: We can do anything we want to do as far as a recommendation and if
they recommend that the recommendation is five versus or six versus ten, you still have
opportunity between now and Council. You have to get past Council. We're making a
recommendation. So, the application is positioned to move forward I would think. Do
you want it to move along? Is that correct?
Marina Phillips: Yes sir.
Ronald Ripley Okay.
Dorothy Wood: Could I make a motion then?
Ronald Ripley: I think that would be in order.
Dorothy Wood. I make the motion that we approve the application with number six
changed to hours of 9:30 — midnight and the cars being moved one day per month. I
didn't see that anywhere else on here. The next condition would be no salesman bringing
customers on the property, that would be number nine. And, number 10 to try and see
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what we can do about only seven Subaru's on the lot. I'm going with that rather than five
or ten, just to compromise, and the sign to be approved by staff.
Janice Anderson: I would second the motion.
Dorothy Wood: Thank you.
Ronald Ripley: So, we have a motion and we have a second. Do we have any discussion
on the motion?
Robert Miller: I need to abstain from the voting. My firm is working on the project.
Ronald Ripley: Okay. Is there any further discussion? Okay, then we'll call for the
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Ronald Ripley: By a vote of 6-3 with one abstention, the motion carries.
Marina Phillips. Thank you very much for this opportunity.
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John T Atkinson,
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DMV CONTRACT LICENSE AGENT
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CITY MANAGER'S BRIEFINGS
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COMMUNITY LEGISLATIVE PACKAGE LAW
Robert Matthias,
ENFORCEMENT
Assistant to the City
Manager —DELETE
request re tanning
facilities/ABC
hcenses/ADD
funding for Police
Firearms Training
Center
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EMERGENCY RESPONSE SYSTEM
James K Spore, City
Manager
III/IV/
MINUTES - October 7, 2003
APPROVED
10-0
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Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
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VNI/
E/F
G/H/I/
Resolution re 2004 COMMUNITY
ADOPTED AS
7-0
Y
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Y
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Y
Y
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Y
Y
A
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LEGISLATION to REQUEST General Assembly
REVISED TO
#4
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#5
Delegation sponsor a /o support this legislation
DELETE
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TANNING
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FACILITIES/CUP
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FOR ABC
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LICENSES/ADD
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FUNDING FOR
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POLICE
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FIREARMS
D
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TRAINING
D
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CENTER
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Ordinance to AUTHORIZE / DIRECT a Police
ADOPTED BY
10-0
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Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
A
Y
Mutual Aid Agreement with Chesapeake /
CONSENT
Hampton / Newport News/ Norfolk / Williamsburg
/ Portsmouth / Suffolk / Virginia Beach / James
City /York / Smithfield
J/1
PLANNING - NO ACTION RAYMOND, SR.
NO ACTION
AND MARILYN I. CAFFEE COZ from A-12 to
R-5D at 5019 Bonney Road
(DISTRICT 2 — KEMPSVILLE)
CITY OF V7RGINIA BEACH
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CRAB CREEK HOMEOWNERS ASSOC
DEFERRED TO
10-0
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Modification of Conditions on CUP community
10/28/03 BY
boat dock (approved 10/24/2000) at 2096, 2098,
CONSENT
2092, 2094 Tazewell Rd & 3557, 3559, 3561, 3563
Piedmont Circle
(DISTRICT 4 — BAYSIDE)
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POTOMAC CONFERENCE CORP OF
APPROVED/
10-0
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
A
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SEVENTH -DAY ADVENTIST Modification of
CONDITIONED BY
CUP church (approved 10/29/2002) at Holland
CONSENT
Rd / Shipps Comer Rd
(DISTRICT 6 — BEACH)
3
LESLIE LEEDY CUP for a museum & art
APPROVED/
10-0
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
A
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gallery at 2025 Indian River Rd
CONDITIONED BY
(DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE)
CONSENT
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CHRISTIAN LIFE CENTER CUP church at
APPROVED/
10-0
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
A
Y
North Great Neck Rd / Old Donation Pkwy
CONDITIONED BY
(DISTRICT 5 — LYNNHAVEN)
CONSENT
5
JOSEPH G PIPER COZ from AG-2 to
APPROVED AS
10-0
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
A
Y
Conditional R-10 at 2332 Seaboard Rd
PROFFERED BY
(DISTRICT 7 — PRINCESS ANNE)
CONSENT
K
APPOINTMENTS:
MINORITY BUSINESS COUNCIL
RESCHEDULED
B
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PARKS AND RECREATION COMM
Unexpired term thru
J Michael Fentress (Bayside District)
8/05/2005 plus a 3
year term ending
8/31 /2008
TIDEWATER REGIONAL GROUP
RESCHEDULED
B
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HOME COMM
ADD
Recess to Closed Session @ 6 10 PM for
APPROVED
10-0
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
A
Y
ON
Personnel/Publicly Held Property/Legal Matters
ADD
Certify Closed Session @ 8 43 PM
CERTIFIED
10-0
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
A
Y
ON
0
ADJOURNMENT
8 45 PM